PG: Raps lose to the Nets

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BALL DONT LIE

[vulture]

I see that messiah is back on this board. Welcome back Abercrombie and fitch!

[Los_29]

more than a rough patch man. he'll have a good shooting game once in a blue moon and loyalists will call for an apology, but his shooting numbers have been atrocious way more often than not and he brings pretty much nothing else if he's not hitting 3's. rather management actually follow through with their positionless plan and roll with a 6'7+ line up. it was beautiful basketball without FVV against the 76ers in the 2 games they won. likely would've been swept with him if he played all the games.

Beautiful basketball? We lost by like 50 points in game 6.

i said in the games the team won. did you not see the difference in how the team played without FVV? even friends who are casuals noticed the difference. they lost the last game after fighting hard to make it a series and after FVV"s presence put the team in a hole. 2-1 without FVV vs 0-3 with him. but yeah i guess you enjoy watching FVV struggling, bricking shots, being a **** overrated defender and being overall ineffective and detrimental to the team.

Drawing any conclusions from two games is never a good idea. At the end of the day we were absolutely dreadful in game 6. The The Grizzlies were winning playoff games without Ja. Don't think anyone would claim that they are better without him. Teams can always steal 1-2 games. That's nothing new.

[Joker]

Sat right behind the Raptors bench last night, Barnes body language is terrible. Always yelling at his teammates and sulking

Every game we see Scottie getting upset at teammates for mishandling a pass (even when he throws it at their feet or out of their reach) or missing what should be an easy shot after he passes to them. He also has a tendency to throw his arms up in the air or look annoyed after a defensive breakdown regardless if it's someone else's fault or his own.

It seems like he is letting his emotions get the best of him which is to be expected of a young player especially when they're going through a rough patch, but I hope his body language changes soon. The team's play has been very up and down over the stretch, and Scottie himself is a big reason why; he's averaging 13/6/5 on 44 TS% in the last 10 games while his defence has fallen off a cliff with 5 blowbys for easy buckets and 5 missed rotations for a corner three or backdoor cut basically guaranteed every game. Similar to what FVV said post-game last night ("I'm not really in a position to be telling anybody else what they need to do. I gotta get my own **** together."), Scottie should be more focused on working out of this slump/improving his own game to help the team win than sulking and throwing looks at teammates when things aren't going his way.

It’s ironic because the book on Scottie coming into the league was that he’s this happy-go-lucky, best-teammate-ever kind of player. Where did all of that energy go?

[Los_29]

Yup, kind of like making up faking injuries. Talking about their character by saying they're immature using that strawman to make that distinction. Again, all this is completely different from what any player on the team has said and strangely about the one player on the team that teammates have actually had glowing things to say about. Very bizzare.

I never said anything about the number of posters on both sides being equal. Barnes is 21, and FVV is 28 and a veteran so I would expect FVV to get way more criticism, as we already know what the player is by now and it's not getting better. The point is there are posters on both sides, and it's kind of ironic that you're the one commenting here about this because quoting you alone is enough to make my point.

Fred is an undrafted player. Scottie is the 4th overall pick. You can't compare the two.

Barnes is in his second year having played 93 regular season games in his NBA career and FVV is a 6 year veteran who is looking to make nearly $30 million annually. You're right, you can't compare the two. Draft position is simply where your team picks you, so not sure what that has to do with the player. If our issue is draft position then the criticism should be on Masai I guess. Personally I think the pick was great and the player has shown why he was picked there.

I'm saying that there is infinitely more pressure when you're drafted 4th as opposed to being undrafted.

Of course, the pick was great. It couldn't have worked out any better. But Scottie deserves a lot of criticism for the way he has played. Same with Fred. But with Scottie it's a little bit more concerning because of his body language and poor effort.

[JPriest]

Beautiful basketball? We lost by like 50 points in game 6.

i said in the games the team won. did you not see the difference in how the team played without FVV? even friends who are casuals noticed the difference. they lost the last game after fighting hard to make it a series and after FVV"s presence put the team in a hole. 2-1 without FVV vs 0-3 with him. but yeah i guess you enjoy watching FVV struggling, bricking shots, being a **** overrated defender and being overall ineffective and detrimental to the team.

Drawing any conclusions from two games is never a good idea. At the end of the day we were absolutely dreadful in game 6. The The Grizzlies were winning playoff games without Ja. Don't think anyone would claim that they are better without him. Teams can always steal 1-2 games. That's nothing new.

it's more so the style of play and pace without FVV vs with FVV. and I get your point but don't back it up with Ja and the Grizzlies. Ja's a perennial star and an athletic scoring machine. FVV is an overweight, slow declining one hit wonder in his supposed prime years.

[Parataxis]

Don't let the final score fool you.

Looks like we had a breakdown in Q1, but then won the rest of the quarters?
That was a hella big hole to dig out of.

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Regardless of who you root for or who you want to get traded, the issue looks like it's team wide.

We probably need a players meeting.

We also probably need Nurse to play the bench a lot more and live with the consequences so players stop playing 40 minutes or close to 40 minutes.

Essentially the wheels are falling off the machine for a variety of reasons probably.

[Joker]

Don't let the final score fool you.

Looks like we had a breakdown in Q1, but then won the rest of the quarters?
That was a hella big hole to dig out of.

Although when the lead is that huge, the other team is gonna take their foot off the gas so I wouldn’t take too much comfort in winning those 3 quarters. I don’t think it really says much. If we were only down 5 after the first quarter, we would’ve seen a more urgent nets team for the last 3 quarters.

[Los_29]

i said in the games the team won. did you not see the difference in how the team played without FVV? even friends who are casuals noticed the difference. they lost the last game after fighting hard to make it a series and after FVV"s presence put the team in a hole. 2-1 without FVV vs 0-3 with him. but yeah i guess you enjoy watching FVV struggling, bricking shots, being a **** overrated defender and being overall ineffective and detrimental to the team.

Drawing any conclusions from two games is never a good idea. At the end of the day we were absolutely dreadful in game 6. The The Grizzlies were winning playoff games without Ja. Don't think anyone would claim that they are better without him. Teams can always steal 1-2 games. That's nothing new.

it's more so the style of play and pace without FVV vs with FVV. and I get your point but don't back it up with Ja and the Grizzlies. Ja's a perennial star and an athletic scoring machine. FVV is an overweight, slow declining one hit wonder in his supposed prime years.

Well that style of play got us blown out by 40+ points at home in game 6. Our offense looked horrendous, couldn't make shots, had no playmakers aside from Pascal. Fred makes this team better when he's healthy. No one would claim that we are better without Fred.

Doesn't that make it even worse that Memphis plays better without Ja despite him being an athletic scoring machine? What is Ja doing out there that makes his team play worse with him than without him? 20-5 without him last year and they beat the champions by 39 points without him in game 5.

[HumbleRen]

FVV is what he is at this point.

Reminds me of Kemba in that 2019/2020 season. Can still turn it on from time to time but there was a clear decline in his consistency which eventually led to him being washed out of the league in a couple of years.

[JPriest]

Drawing any conclusions from two games is never a good idea. At the end of the day we were absolutely dreadful in game 6. The The Grizzlies were winning playoff games without Ja. Don't think anyone would claim that they are better without him. Teams can always steal 1-2 games. That's nothing new.

it's more so the style of play and pace without FVV vs with FVV. and I get your point but don't back it up with Ja and the Grizzlies. Ja's a perennial star and an athletic scoring machine. FVV is an overweight, slow declining one hit wonder in his supposed prime years.

Well that style of play got us blown out by 40+ points at home in game 6. Our offense looked horrendous, couldn't make shots, had no playmakers aside from Pascal. Fred makes this team better when he's healthy. No one would claim that we are better without Fred.

Doesn't that make it even worse that Memphis plays better without Ja despite him being an athletic scoring machine? What is Ja doing out there that makes his team play worse with him than without him? 20-5 without him last year and they beat the champions by 39 points without him in game 5.

why don't heed your own advice and not draw conclusions from an even smaller sample size. Fred hasn't looked healthy for a while now and we were down 0-3 with him playing. results matter. we would all love it if he was the player he was during the season before he became an all-star but we have a sufficient data to show it's not likely going to happen and he is who he is at this point. probably getting worse given his genetics.

so what? are you saying you'd rather have FVV than Ja? they could still win with him and figure out how to effectively use his scoring and he's not even in his prime. i'm sure every team would rather plug Ja in their lineup over this version of FVV. sounds like you would want an inefficient chucker who gets torched on defense on your team for no good reason hoping he could find his groove. i'm not as optimistic.

[mihaic]

Great post, but how about the opposing team’s (especially the 17 playoff-level team) injured players who missed the games against us?

Just for the context that matters.

You think this response was genious, eh?

Well of course the context matters. Read the post you respond to. Some of those teams mentioned also have underachieved and have a lower than expected record and results.

Sadly just a few quality and insightful posters remained here nowadays - one of them is pingpongrac -, so it wasn’t an ironic or “genious” response, I was curious if he knows the answer for that.

my sarcasm detector is broken. My bad! Sorry.

Cheers!

[Dr Positivity]

The defense has been absolute horrible the last 2 games which compounds the problem because our offense also depends on our defense.

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Definitely captured the frustration of watching them last night. It's kind of mind boggling to me because this team does have quite a few vets at this point and they seem to have forgotten how to play fundamental basketball. You could put some blame on the coaching staff and the lineups being in flux due to injury, but some of this stuff is inexcusable. The team should have to rewatch that first quarter over and over again.

[Los_29]

https://youtu.be/IZqZb69Zlh0

Can't lie some of his points are valid although you can smell the bias he has for Scottie. I still think this was a great video displaying the dysfunction of our team currently.

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He just cannot be objective. It’s painful to watch.

[vulture]

Messiah aka Abercrombie and fitch posting his own videos makes sense now.
We should have known by the sig.

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I lost the respect for this guy when he said he was Bargnani fan and Raps treated him badly.

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I lost the respect for this guy when he said he was Bargnani fan and Raps treated him badly.

He said he talked to Bargnani's coach in Italy and thought he was gonna be the next Arvydas.

Still like his videos though. We all have been high on guys that ended up being total letdowns. I thought Derrick Williams was gonna be good based off how he looked in Arizona.