Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[Reeko]

From Miller's lawyer's press release, sounds like he was involved without knowledge. Now, his lawyer could just be protecting his client. But if its accurate, the accusations will have minimal impact on Miller's draft stock. Obviously teams will do their own due diligence in the matter and some will discount based on their own views on any potential risks.

He didn't know that he was transporting a gun? Lol. I really don't care about him not knowing that the firearm would be used to commit murder, the simple fact that he's transporting one is enough of a red flag.

Transporting a gun in the US is as normal as transporting a hockey stick in Canada. If someone scores a goal with the hockey stick I brought them am I responsible for the goal? One of philosophy's greatest questions.

It's not dude. Unless you're involved in a criminal lifestyle or are part of a community of gun enthusiasts.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

And I'll add that I see Marcus as a highly upgraded version of Fred Van Vleet. Smaller overlooked recruit combo guard who has been a big part of his college team's success whose bread and butter is 3+D but we don't need him to play with the ball constantly in his hands like Fred demands being allowed to do which is what makes him inefficient. On top of that Marcus has really demonstrated better shot selection and finishing at the rim this year (Fred's is questionable as hell) and has better ISO ability than Fred should he be forced to engage in an iso play, due to his handle allowing him to create more space and being slightly more athletic.

I was a big fan of drafting Sasser last year with our pick - but he held out because he wanted a first round promise. This year his numbers fell a bit with his PPG and 3P% getting worse. Last year he was shooting 44% from three, and now it is down to 38% which shows his high variance over his four year career.

Sasser is a dynamic scoring PG and can play defense. I love his 6'8 wingspan so he is bigger than Fred and brings that toughness and poise.

It might be considered a reach to take him in lottery range since he is already 22 and will be 23 at the start of camp. He also had a pretty major toe injury a couple years ago which is concerning because I think he had to get surgery.

I'd draft him in the mid-20s but higher seems like a reach given there are other bigger, more athletic, and younger guys you could draft over him. The only lottery guy I can really think of with a similar profile is Davion Mitchell - and he ended up more of a back-up PG, but he does play important minutes on an emerging playoff team - but many considered Mitchell to be a special defensive prospect.

One thing that needs to be considered with his 3pt numbers over the past few years is that many of his shots come from way beyond the college 3pt line which bodes well for his proj NBA%. I can easily see him coming into the league as a 36-38% guy and improving that to 40% over time.

[nowayguy]

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[ATLTimekeeper]

If someone said I need my hockey stick at 1:30 in the morning because I'm angry at someone, and then they kill that person with the hockey stick, then I think you would share some responsibility in that death.

He's claiming he didn't read the text and didn't know there was a gun in the car.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

He didn't know that he was transporting a gun? Lol. I really don't care about him not knowing that the firearm would be used to commit murder, the simple fact that he's transporting one is enough of a red flag.

Transporting a gun in the US is as normal as transporting a hockey stick in Canada. If someone scores a goal with the hockey stick I brought them am I responsible for the goal? One of philosophy's greatest questions.

It's not dude. Unless you're involved in a criminal lifestyle or are part of a community of gun enthusiasts.

Well it certainly is some kind of risk factor but if you look at many successful sports franchises take the New England Patriots for example, they won tons of championships thanks to bringing in red flag guys that other teams gave up on or overlooked who were undeniable football talents. He's gonna be hounded by FOs during the interview process and his agent will make sure he says what they want to hear.

[Reeko]

Transporting a gun in the US is as normal as transporting a hockey stick in Canada. If someone scores a goal with the hockey stick I brought them am I responsible for the goal? One of philosophy's greatest questions.

It's not dude. Unless you're involved in a criminal lifestyle or are part of a community of gun enthusiasts.

Well it certainly is some kind of risk factor but if you look at many successful sports franchises take the New England Patriots for example, they won tons of championships thanks to bringing in red flag guys that other teams gave up on or overlooked who were undeniable football talents. He's gonna be hounded by FOs during the interview process and his agent will make sure he says what they want to hear.

Which is how they ended up with Aaron Hernandez in the 4th round. Not saying Miller will be that, I hope he's just a good kid that made an unfortunate decision.

[BoyzNTheHood]

It's not dude. Unless you're involved in a criminal lifestyle or are part of a community of gun enthusiasts.

Well it certainly is some kind of risk factor but if you look at many successful sports franchises take the New England Patriots for example, they won tons of championships thanks to bringing in red flag guys that other teams gave up on or overlooked who were undeniable football talents. He's gonna be hounded by FOs during the interview process and his agent will make sure he says what they want to hear.

Which is how they ended up with Aaron Hernandez in the 4th round. Not saying Miller will be that, I hope he's just a good kid that made an unfortunate decision.

This is most likely it. Obviously when lending a gun out to someone it could potentially be used in a murder. But if your friend tells you that they feel their life is threatened and they need protection, wouldn’t you help them out? I guess it’s also on you to know the character of the person you’re lending the weapon to.

[Dalek]

And I'll add that I see Marcus as a highly upgraded version of Fred Van Vleet. Smaller overlooked recruit combo guard who has been a big part of his college team's success whose bread and butter is 3+D but we don't need him to play with the ball constantly in his hands like Fred demands being allowed to do which is what makes him inefficient. On top of that Marcus has really demonstrated better shot selection and finishing at the rim this year (Fred's is questionable as hell) and has better ISO ability than Fred should he be forced to engage in an iso play, due to his handle allowing him to create more space and being slightly more athletic.

I was a big fan of drafting Sasser last year with our pick - but he held out because he wanted a first round promise. This year his numbers fell a bit with his PPG and 3P% getting worse. Last year he was shooting 44% from three, and now it is down to 38% which shows his high variance over his four year career.

Sasser is a dynamic scoring PG and can play defense. I love his 6'8 wingspan so he is bigger than Fred and brings that toughness and poise.

It might be considered a reach to take him in lottery range since he is already 22 and will be 23 at the start of camp. He also had a pretty major toe injury a couple years ago which is concerning because I think he had to get surgery.

I'd draft him in the mid-20s but higher seems like a reach given there are other bigger, more athletic, and younger guys you could draft over him. The only lottery guy I can really think of with a similar profile is Davion Mitchell - and he ended up more of a back-up PG, but he does play important minutes on an emerging playoff team - but many considered Mitchell to be a special defensive prospect.

One thing that needs to be considered with his 3pt numbers over the past few years is that many of his shots come from way beyond the college 3pt line which bodes well for his proj NBA%. I can easily see him coming into the league as a 36-38% guy and improving that to 40% over time.

100% agree. He is has Lillard type range on his shots and with NBA floor spacing he could improve. I just wonder what happened this year. He was killing it last season.

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[ArthurVandelay]

https://www.zagsblog.com/2023/02/22/how-will-nba-personnel-handle-alabama-star-brandon-miller-being-linked-to-a-fatal-shooting/

How does Miller’s association with the events of the murder impact his draft stock? In my opinion it doesn’t. This is similar to last year with Banchero involved with the DUI, of course with much more tragic circumstances.

Now if anything changes or he is charged, then things obviously change.

Driving under the influence and transporting weapons are on different levels of bad decision making.

I strongly advise against floating that take at a MADD meeting.

[grant101]

I was a big fan of drafting Sasser last year with our pick - but he held out because he wanted a first round promise. This year his numbers fell a bit with his PPG and 3P% getting worse. Last year he was shooting 44% from three, and now it is down to 38% which shows his high variance over his four year career.

Sasser is a dynamic scoring PG and can play defense. I love his 6'8 wingspan so he is bigger than Fred and brings that toughness and poise.

It might be considered a reach to take him in lottery range since he is already 22 and will be 23 at the start of camp. He also had a pretty major toe injury a couple years ago which is concerning because I think he had to get surgery.

I'd draft him in the mid-20s but higher seems like a reach given there are other bigger, more athletic, and younger guys you could draft over him. The only lottery guy I can really think of with a similar profile is Davion Mitchell - and he ended up more of a back-up PG, but he does play important minutes on an emerging playoff team - but many considered Mitchell to be a special defensive prospect.

One thing that needs to be considered with his 3pt numbers over the past few years is that many of his shots come from way beyond the college 3pt line which bodes well for his proj NBA%. I can easily see him coming into the league as a 36-38% guy and improving that to 40% over time.

100% agree. He is has Lillard type range on his shots and with NBA floor spacing he could improve. I just wonder what happened this year. He was killing it last season.

Appreciate the love Sasser is getting here. Also a fan. I wish he was more of a point guard than a short combo, but his toughness and shooting (agree that his shooting is better than his percentages indicate) help make up for the lack of size. Still have concerns about his finishing In traffic against size, but that may be picking nits considering how well rounded his game is.

Enticed a little more by a few other prospects in our likely draft range, but would not be upset if Sasser was the guy

[Mark_83]

Given that we're likely to pick anywhere between 11-16 now I've had to readjust my targets for us.

Wallace
Black
Hendricks
Coulibaly

[BoyzNTheHood]

Given that we're likely to pick anywhere between 11-16 now I've had to readjust my targets for us.

Wallace
Black
Hendricks
Coulibaly

I’m thinking our range will be around 15-20 now that our team is vibing. I wouldn’t be mad at any of those guys, but I have to say my preference in that range is Jett Howard, Terquavion Smith, and Kyle Filipowski. If Rupert has baseball mits for hands that could change.

Below 20 I’m all in on Taylor Hendricks, JHS, Sasser, and Coulibaly

[Mark_83]

Given that we're likely to pick anywhere between 11-16 now I've had to readjust my targets for us.

Wallace
Black
Hendricks
Coulibaly

I’m thinking our range will be around 15-20 now that our team is vibing. I wouldn’t be mad at any of those guys, but I have to say my preference in that range is Jett Howard, Terquavion Smith, and Kyle Filipowski. If Rupert has baseball mits for hands that could change.

Below 20 I’m all in on Taylor Hendricks, JHS, Sasser, and Coulibaly

I'd be shocked if Hendricks didn't get taken in the lottery. I even think Coulibaly has a chance to jump up like Dieng did last year.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

My body's ready for "The Big Flipowski".

[BoyzNTheHood]

Given that we're likely to pick anywhere between 11-16 now I've had to readjust my targets for us.

Wallace
Black
Hendricks
Coulibaly

I’m thinking our range will be around 15-20 now that our team is vibing. I wouldn’t be mad at any of those guys, but I have to say my preference in that range is Jett Howard, Terquavion Smith, and Kyle Filipowski. If Rupert has baseball mits for hands that could change.

Below 20 I’m all in on Taylor Hendricks, JHS, Sasser, and Coulibaly

I'd be shocked if Hendricks didn't get taken in the lottery. I even think Coulibaly has a chance to jump up like Dieng did last year.

I couldn’t agree more. The fact that Taylor Hendricks isn’t a top 10 mock draft prospect baffles me

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I’m thinking our range will be around 15-20 now that our team is vibing. I wouldn’t be mad at any of those guys, but I have to say my preference in that range is Jett Howard, Terquavion Smith, and Kyle Filipowski. If Rupert has baseball mits for hands that could change.

Below 20 I’m all in on Taylor Hendricks, JHS, Sasser, and Coulibaly

I'd be shocked if Hendricks didn't get taken in the lottery. I even think Coulibaly has a chance to jump up like Dieng did last year.

I couldn’t agree more. The fact that Taylor Hendricks isn’t a top 10 mock draft prospect baffles me

He will be. I'm not comparing him to who I'm about to say in the traditional sense but I like to compare players sometimes when I can only think of the type of impact they will have in a game and I feel like when Hendricks is in his prime he will impact the game like a Tobias Harris does. I changed my mind, I think Hendricks at his size has shown a lot more than most other guys mocked going before him. A lot more. The things he is poor at can be improved on and the things he does well he does pretty damn well already and shows multidimensional ability on both sides of the ball. I think he will be a borderline all-star in the NBA. I really like the upper body mechanics of his 3 point shot. He plays with a sense of urgency, can handle the ball pretty well at his size and can attack the rim. He just does a lot of different things very well.

He should be selected before Dick and right around where Walker is picked when all is said and done.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I'd be shocked if Hendricks didn't get taken in the lottery. I even think Coulibaly has a chance to jump up like Dieng did last year.

I couldn’t agree more. The fact that Taylor Hendricks isn’t a top 10 mock draft prospect baffles me

He will be. I'm not comparing him to who I'm about to say in the traditional sense but I like to compare players sometimes when I can only think of the type of impact they will have in a game and I feel like when Hendricks is in his prime he will impact the game like a Tobias Harris does. I changed my mind, I think Hendricks at his size has shown a lot more than most other guys mocked going before him. A lot more. The things he is poor at can be improved on and the things he does well he does pretty damn well already and shows multidimensional ability on both sides of the ball. I think he will be a borderline all-star in the NBA. I really like the upper body mechanics of his 3 point shot. He plays with a sense of urgency, can handle the ball pretty well at his size and can attack the rim. He just does a lot of different things very well.

He should be selected before Dick and right around where Walker is picked when all is said and done.

I’d give him a toss up at our pick with Gradey Dick. I don’t think you can go wrong either way. I’d take Jarace Walker over both of them, but I like all 3 players and don’t honestly believe any of them will be available when we pick.

[Yallbecrazy]

Taylor Hendricks checks all the boxes from a statistical perspective in that none of his stats are red flags. That being said, he's merely decent to good at everything and nothing is exceptional so to me he projects as an average NBA starter with upside. I absolutely take him in the top 8 in this draft, possibly top 5.

[CoinTossRoss31]

Taylor Hendricks checks all the boxes from a statistical perspective in that none of his stats are red flags. That being said, he's merely decent to good at everything and nothing is exceptional so to me he projects as an average NBA starter with upside. I absolutely take him in the top 8 in this draft, possibly top 5.

Same sort of review people were giving for Franz Wagner back in 2021