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2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#261 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 am

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Dalek wrote:Thinking about that second half of the lottery:

8 WAS Cason Wallace - Defensive PG to pair with Beal
9 UTA Gradey Dick - Perfect shooter to pair with Kessler/Markanen
10 DAL Taylor Hendricks - Fills the Dorian Finney Smith role
11 ORL Jordan Hawkins - This team desperately need a shooter
12 OKC Leonard Miller - Nice frontcourt option to pair with Chet
13 TOR Anthony Black

I am set on Washington because Cason will win them over as a special defender and perfect guard for them.

Utah may want Black but I think the shooting Dick offers is special enough that they go with BPA - plus this is the market for a tall white shooter.

I don't think Dallas would skip on Hendricks because of his 3 and D and no need for a connector with Luka and Kyrie.

Orlando could go with Keyonte or Hawkins. They need scoring punch because they already have size so no need for another non-shooting PG.

OKC is the toughest to deal with. They may like Miller because he fits who they look for, but I could see Kobe Bufkin if they want another driver. No way they want Black with Giddey and Jalen Williams and SGA eating possessions.

So, does Toronto draft Anthony Black over a Kobe Bufkin or a Hood-Schifino? Black is the best true PG option - excellent driver and can play off ball as a cutter with high level finishing and the defense is excellent. Ran Spain pick and roll and will likely get to do the same in Toronto with Poeltl. Problem is the shooting and spacing he has to work with in Toronto.

Either way, I can very easily see him falling to Toronto barring Utah using their pick on him.


I think I saw one mock draft that also had Black falling to us at 13. He would help fill the PG role and improve our defense/size. But I agree, problem would still be the shooting and spacing.
Black shoots like he has blindfolds on, but his defense and ball pressure is unreal, if he could shoot I would ve taken him second overall

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But he can't.

Shooting means everything in today's NBA. Especially for a guard. Black looked shaky defensively during the season but really opened eyes down the stretch and in the tournament. His defense was exceptional. He gets fouled a lot banging in the post and not in the traditional way a guard would get to the line. He plays like a power forward half the time and a point guard half the time. I don't think his playmaking is all that exceptional, he turns the ball over a lot. He's good in that area, not great, and needs to clean it up because he drives a lot without a plan.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#262 » by HumbleRen » Fri May 19, 2023 2:16 am

Keyonte has had fantastic buzz at the combine today.
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Post#263 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri May 19, 2023 2:21 am

HumbleRen wrote:Keyonte has had fantastic buzz at the combine today.


His coach was there with a whole script to tell the media and he sold it very well.
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Post#264 » by goinrogue » Fri May 19, 2023 2:23 am

Suspected bobi Klintman pulled out the combine cause he has a draft promise. Could it be raps? Masai still looking for the next Giannis.
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Post#265 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri May 19, 2023 2:25 am

goinrogue wrote:Suspected bobi Klintman pulled out the combine cause he has a draft promise. Could it be raps? Masai still looking for the next Giannis.


lol if Masai drafts Klintman I will go on a violent tirade for days on here
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Post#266 » by goinrogue » Fri May 19, 2023 2:29 am

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goinrogue wrote:Suspected bobi Klintman pulled out the combine cause he has a draft promise. Could it be raps? Masai still looking for the next Giannis.


lol if Masai drafts Klintman I will go on a violent tirade for days on here

Lol it’s a very Masai move though
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Post#267 » by niQ » Fri May 19, 2023 2:37 am

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#268 » by niQ » Fri May 19, 2023 2:39 am

goinrogue wrote:Suspected bobi Klintman pulled out the combine cause he has a draft promise. Could it be raps? Masai still looking for the next Giannis.


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Post#269 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 19, 2023 2:50 am

Watching more tape on Bufkin, think he's going to be a steal if he goes 13+

Can finish at the rim with ease, has the length/height for PG, can defend, and shooting is coming along. Should have been featured a lot more at Mich
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#270 » by gha4life » Fri May 19, 2023 2:50 am

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I think I saw one mock draft that also had Black falling to us at 13. He would help fill the PG role and improve our defense/size. But I agree, problem would still be the shooting and spacing.
Black shoots like he has blindfolds on, but his defense and ball pressure is unreal, if he could shoot I would ve taken him second overall

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But he can't.

Shooting means everything in today's NBA. Especially for a guard. Black looked shaky defensively during the season but really opened eyes down the stretch and in the tournament. His defense was exceptional. He gets fouled a lot banging in the post and not in the traditional way a guard would get to the line. He plays like a power forward half the time and a point guard half the time. I don't think his playmaking is all that exceptional, he turns the ball over a lot. He's good in that area, not great, and needs to clean it up because he drives a lot without a plan.
Exactly thats why I won't touch him bit won't be surprised he goes tip 10

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#271 » by ItsDanger » Fri May 19, 2023 2:52 am

Black is probably the best in the lottery range at getting to the line. Don't underestimate that skill.
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Post#272 » by Yallbecrazy » Fri May 19, 2023 2:56 am

ItsDanger wrote:Black is probably the best in the lottery range at getting to the line. Don't underestimate that skill.


Cissoko is right there with him. Black has very good, but not superb defense. Excellent at drawing fouls, but he also is a terrible shooter with way too many turnovers. Reminds me of Cade Cunningham without the ability to shoot.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#273 » by grant101 » Fri May 19, 2023 2:57 am

goinrogue wrote:Suspected bobi Klintman pulled out the combine cause he has a draft promise. Could it be raps? Masai still looking for the next Giannis.


I don't think so. He pulled out before the lottery. Had it been the Raptors, that promise would have fallen apart if we moved up
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#274 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri May 19, 2023 3:03 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Black is probably the best in the lottery range at getting to the line. Don't underestimate that skill.


Cissoko is right there with him. Black has very good, but not superb defense. Excellent at drawing fouls, but he also is a terrible shooter with way too many turnovers. Reminds me of Cade Cunningham without the ability to shoot.


Masai will probably take Black if he's there though. I don't think he's serious about adding shooting to our organization or if he is he'll convince himself a trade and a couple of cheap FA signings will suffice while keeping his drafting philosophy. It's not like he drafted Dalano Banton 10 years ago, he's addicted to size and filling up the stat sheet in areas that don't involve shooting efficiency like a crack addict is addicted to crack.

Imagine Anthony Black trying to do what Jamal Murray is doing right now for Denver :lol: Just not happening.
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Post#275 » by Psubs » Fri May 19, 2023 3:18 am

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#276 » by Los_29 » Fri May 19, 2023 3:21 am

goinrogue wrote:
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goinrogue wrote:Suspected bobi Klintman pulled out the combine cause he has a draft promise. Could it be raps? Masai still looking for the next Giannis.


lol if Masai drafts Klintman I will go on a violent tirade for days on here

Lol it’s a very Masai move though


It's actually not. Masai drafts college players that rank highly in advanced metrics. It would literally be the opposite to what he normally does. lol.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#277 » by raptor jesus » Fri May 19, 2023 3:33 am

I watched a few South Carolina games, and based on what I saw, I wouldn't touch GG Jackson in the first round. It's one thing to be a selfish player, it's another thing completely if you're selfish and inefficient (47% TS for a 6'9 guy). He also pouts a lot on the court and is a major liability on the defensive end.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#278 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri May 19, 2023 3:35 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:I like Amen Thompson.


Same. I'm a little higher than him than most. I think he should go 4th...looks like the second coming of John Wall except bigger.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#279 » by Thaddy » Fri May 19, 2023 3:39 am

Bufkin's frame is very small. He weighs 180lbs that is one of the lowest in the league?

Cissoko is the same height, bigger wingspan, and 40lbs more of lean explosive muscle.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#280 » by Psubs » Fri May 19, 2023 3:53 am

Los_29 wrote:
goinrogue wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
lol if Masai drafts Klintman I will go on a violent tirade for days on here

Lol it’s a very Masai move though


It's actually not. Masai drafts college players that rank highly in advanced metrics. It would literally be the opposite to what he normally does. lol.


People are still stuck on Bruno. :lol:
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