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2023 Draft Discussion Part 6

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#261 » by Kevin Willis » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:51 pm

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I went back and compared Bilal's video with the Thompson twins. Similar strengths and weaknesses. Bilal has better measurements. Bilal is younger. Bilal had better competition he played against and he's showing out in playoffs. Considering they're expected in top 10, possibly top 5, how high can Bilal actually go.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#262 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:56 pm

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REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:The problem with drafting Coulibaly over Wallace or Bufkin is that he is extremely north-south, far behind them as a shooter and doesn't have a pullup game which will be necessary when he faces teams with interior defense. He either shoots 3's or goes all the way to the hole mostly which is another indication of how far behind he is. The guy is a perfect candidate to replace Anunoby down the line as an SF who lives on the baseline although he has shown flashes from the top of the arc there is no guarantee he will be a SG but if we want OG here long term he makes zero sense despite posters saying "there is room for him on the bench".


Drafting him or Leonard Miller only makes sense to me if we’re moving Siakam for Scoot.


We need to pray for Cason Wallace because he is hands down not only BPA but also can fit into the framework of our team no matter what style we want to play due to his versatility as an on-off ball guy and multi-positional defender. Cason is still being underrated and undervalued by most people in the draft community and not because of injury concerns. If those concerns are real it will be very unfortunate but if he's good to go he's a no-brainer pick at 13. He is a complete player and the concerns about his athleticism are unjustified he has solid burst and finds ways to get his shot off. He's a winner, period. Imagine if Marcus Smart had a reliable jump shot. That's where Wallace is at with even some more upside on top of that.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#263 » by Tofubeque » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:57 pm

OG also fell to us for injury concerns, and he ended up... well, at least playing 60 games a year. Could be a similar case with Wallace
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#264 » by HumbleRen » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:58 pm

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REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:The problem with drafting Coulibaly over Wallace or Bufkin is that he is extremely north-south, far behind them as a shooter and doesn't have a pullup game which will be necessary when he faces teams with interior defense. He either shoots 3's or goes all the way to the hole mostly which is another indication of how far behind he is. The guy is a perfect candidate to replace Anunoby down the line as an SF who lives on the baseline although he has shown flashes from the top of the arc there is no guarantee he will be a SG but if we want OG here long term he makes zero sense despite posters saying "there is room for him on the bench".


Drafting him or Leonard Miller only makes sense to me if we’re moving Siakam for Scoot.


We need to pray for Cason Wallace because he is hands down not only BPA but also can fit into the framework of our team no matter what style we want to play due to his versatility as an on-off ball guy and multi-positional defender. Cason is still being underrated and undervalued by most people in the draft community and not because of injury concerns. If those concerns are real it will be very unfortunate but if he's good to go he's a no-brainer pick at 13. He is a complete player and the concerns about his athleticism are unjustified he has solid burst and finds ways to get his shot off. He's a winner, period. Imagine if Marcus Smart had a reliable jump shot. That's where Wallace is at with even some more upside on top of that.


If only we lost like 2 more games man.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#265 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:00 pm

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I went back and compared Bilal's video with the Thompson twins. Similar strengths and weaknesses. Bilal has better measurements. Bilal is younger. Bilal had better competition he played against and he's showing out in playoffs. Considering they're expected in top 10, possibly top 5, how high can Bilal actually go.


Amen's shot scares me. I actually have Ausur higher then him
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#266 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:08 pm

I've taken more time to look into Coulibaly and while I still don't see the superstar there that so many other seem to see, I'm comfortable with gambling on him at #13. He seems to be able to do a little bit of everything, a competent defender and I think he has some upside as a playmaker as well. Already a decent shooter and still very very young.

At #13, I'd be happy with either Coulibaly, Wallace or Bufkin (in no particular order). I'm still leaning slightly in the direction of either of the two PGs just because it's been a long time since we've had a guard that can get to the rim and shoot but if Coulibaly can play the SG, that's fine as well.

If these guys are gone by #13, we should move back with Brooklyn and take two of Podziemski, Jones or Whitehead (depending on his medicals).

In terms of steals, I think the teams willing to take a chance on Jackson-Davis, Sasser, Johnson, Bailey, Clark, Sheppard and to lesser extent, Propser could see some serious divends in the second round.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#267 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:08 pm

Bilal cannot hang with the Thompson twins athletically, as a ball-handler or as a passer. Bilal and Amen are wildly different prospects, Bilal doesn't have the tools to be an initiator on offense whose threat of easily getting to the bucket will draw in defenses and allow him to facilitate for open teammates on the perimeter. There are some things Bilal can get up to par with what the Thompson twins can do by the time he hits their age but a lot of things you just can't teach.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#268 » by Tortiglioni » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:15 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Seems even at 13 we're going to get a quality player with good upside. That's good to hear.


While there will undoubtedly be quality players available at 13, that doesn't necessarily mean we will get a quality player.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#269 » by Duffman100 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:18 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:Seems even at 13 we're going to get a quality player with good upside. That's good to hear.


While there will undoubtedly be quality players available at 13, that doesn't necessarily mean we will get a quality player.


Well.... I mean... obviously.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#270 » by Psubs » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:26 pm

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2023-nba-draft-official-combine-measurements

Cissoko's hands measured at 9.25 inches! Of those measured, who has bigger hands?

Leonard Miller - 9.5
Oscar Tshiebwe - 9.75
Zach Edey - 9.75
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#271 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:26 pm

Absolutely love Cason's defence but we do not need an offensively limited guard to compound our offensively limited forwards.

If we're going with a guard please get someone who can get at a bucket like George or Bufkin. If we're not able to get Bilal (thx Bobby & Masai for f*cking that up), then enough with the "defence first" bs, it always comes back to bite us in the ass come Playoff time. Both George & Bufkin are solid enough defenders. Time to lean more on some offensive ability...with some defensive ability, not as the lead one.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#272 » by mtcan » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:29 pm

Psubs wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2023-nba-draft-official-combine-measurements

Cissoko's hands measured at 9.25 inches! Of those measured, who has bigger hands?

Leonard Miller - 9.5
Oscar Tshiebwe - 9.75
Zach Edey - 9.75

That's it?

You know who also has large hands? Hand width of 10.75 inches!

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#273 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:30 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:The problem with drafting Coulibaly over Wallace or Bufkin is that he is extremely north-south, far behind them as a shooter and doesn't have a pullup game which will be necessary when he faces teams with interior defense. He either shoots 3's or goes all the way to the hole mostly which is another indication of how far behind he is. The guy is a perfect candidate to replace Anunoby down the line as an SF who lives on the baseline although he has shown flashes from the top of the arc there is no guarantee he will be a SG but if we want OG here long term he makes zero sense despite posters saying "there is room for him on the bench".


Drafting him or Leonard Miller only makes sense to me if we’re moving Siakam for Scoot.


We need to pray for Cason Wallace because he is hands down not only BPA but also can fit into the framework of our team no matter what style we want to play due to his versatility as an on-off ball guy and multi-positional defender. Cason is still being underrated and undervalued by most people in the draft community and not because of injury concerns. If those concerns are real it will be very unfortunate but if he's good to go he's a no-brainer pick at 13. He is a complete player and the concerns about his athleticism are unjustified he has solid burst and finds ways to get his shot off. He's a winner, period. Imagine if Marcus Smart had a reliable jump shot. That's where Wallace is at with even some more upside on top of that.


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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#274 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:35 pm

Psubs wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2023-nba-draft-official-combine-measurements

Cissoko's hands measured at 9.25 inches! Of those measured, who has bigger hands?

Leonard Miller - 9.5
Oscar Tshiebwe - 9.75
Zach Edey - 9.75


Sidy is criminally slept on, if we don't take him and whichever team gives him enough PT, he's gonna be a steal.

The overall talent & ability it's so obvious when you just watch the tape, he just needs to be aggressive consistently and continue to clean up his shot. I think it might have been you or may be it was some one else saying he's similar to Scottie and I get that both are fantastic passers (Sidy arguably might even be a better one tbh) and need to work on their jumper. But Sidy has shown waaaay more ability to create off the dribble already and his shooting look way cleaner.

If we don't get Bilal, then it's Sidy for me -- if not get a SG that can either get us a bucket or space the floor: George, Bufkin, Hawkins
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#275 » by HumbleRen » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:35 pm

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Cason confirmed he worked out with the Raps.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#276 » by Mark_83 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:37 pm

If Wallace falls due to back issues, he could be a steal if Alex M can work his medical magic on him.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#277 » by Kevin Willis » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:47 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Cason confirmed he worked out with the Raps.


Nick Smith has a strong chance of going to Washington because of his close ties to Beal and the fact they need a PG like him. That's a a real good fit for him - he's not John Wall but he would get tons of room to operate next to Beal.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#278 » by Consequence » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:50 pm

Caught up on most guys in the range over the weekend, I honestly like a lot of the options.

Unlikely to make it to 13, would be happy if they fall:
-Ausur
-Dick
-Black

All three players have their flaws but I feel very good that they're fixable enough to be high-end starters.

Likely to be in the range, happy to pick:
-Bufkin
-Wallace
-Coulibaly
-Smith Jr

Everyone in this group has the upside to really grow into a very solid piece at least equal to the first group, they just have some broader question marks.

Likely to be in the range, not sure about the fit but like the players:
-Lively
-Miller
-Jett Howard

I'm not super held to the current roster but drafting any of the three above guys who definitely make me go "huh". All good prospects deserving of the 13th pick though!

In the range and fit but no thank you:
-George
-JHS
-Hawkins

Not convinced any of this group will fix their flaws enough to be productive, winning starters. Obviously you are not even close to being guaranteed one of those at 13 but I like all of the first three prospect groups a fair bit more.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#279 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:54 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
Drafting him or Leonard Miller only makes sense to me if we’re moving Siakam for Scoot.


We need to pray for Cason Wallace because he is hands down not only BPA but also can fit into the framework of our team no matter what style we want to play due to his versatility as an on-off ball guy and multi-positional defender. Cason is still being underrated and undervalued by most people in the draft community and not because of injury concerns. If those concerns are real it will be very unfortunate but if he's good to go he's a no-brainer pick at 13. He is a complete player and the concerns about his athleticism are unjustified he has solid burst and finds ways to get his shot off. He's a winner, period. Imagine if Marcus Smart had a reliable jump shot. That's where Wallace is at with even some more upside on top of that.


If only we lost like 2 more games man.


It's so funny how often this happens.

During the season when we're picking up these useless wins, posters are talking about "development" and "tanking isn't worth it" blah blah blah. Then when the draft comes, everyone wishes they were higher so we could draft better talent.

Not for anything, just thought I'd point that out.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#280 » by HumbleRen » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:55 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
We need to pray for Cason Wallace because he is hands down not only BPA but also can fit into the framework of our team no matter what style we want to play due to his versatility as an on-off ball guy and multi-positional defender. Cason is still being underrated and undervalued by most people in the draft community and not because of injury concerns. If those concerns are real it will be very unfortunate but if he's good to go he's a no-brainer pick at 13. He is a complete player and the concerns about his athleticism are unjustified he has solid burst and finds ways to get his shot off. He's a winner, period. Imagine if Marcus Smart had a reliable jump shot. That's where Wallace is at with even some more upside on top of that.


If only we lost like 2 more games man.


It's so funny how often this happens.

During the season when we're picking up these useless wins, posters are talking about "development" and "tanking isn't worth it" blah blah blah. Then when the draft comes, everyone wishes they were higher so we could draft better talent.

Not for anything, just thought I'd point that out.


I still have troubles even coming to terms that Masai made a win now play at the deadline lol.

I don't think I'll ever understand it.

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