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Re: Official Immanuel Quickley Thread 

Post#261 » by Johnny Bball » Mon Jan 1, 2024 8:01 pm

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disoblige wrote:IQ needs to start. PLEASE


Kind of waiting for the first game too, before I get even excited. Just need to make sure he starts and sees over 30 mpg. I could see a multiverse where this team makes the same mistake is all.


They've only had one practice so far, so it would be at least somewhat understandable if IQ and Barrett come off the bench this game, and they run with a Schroder, Gary, Pascal, Scottie, Poeltl starting lineup, but IQ better be starting by the next one.


The question is how many times can IQ get the ball. OG wasn't high usage and RJ Barrett is. Someone is going to have to step in and say that RJ has to back off the pedal and so does... who.... Siakam? I still think another shoe has to drop and will pretty fast. Give this five games to see what comes out and then decide fast. Deadline is appraoching.
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Post#262 » by aminiaturebuddha » Mon Jan 1, 2024 8:08 pm

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Kind of waiting for the first game too, before I get even excited. Just need to make sure he starts and sees over 30 mpg. I could see a multiverse where this team makes the same mistake is all.


They've only had one practice so far, so it would be at least somewhat understandable if IQ and Barrett come off the bench this game, and they run with a Schroder, Gary, Pascal, Scottie, Poeltl starting lineup, but IQ better be starting by the next one.


The question is how many times can he get the ball. OG wasn't high usage and RJ Barrett is. Someone is going to have to step in and say that RJ has to back off the pedal and so does... who.... Siakam? I still think another shoe has to drop and will pretty fast. Give this five games to see what comes out and then decide fast. Deadline is appraoching.


I think they'll give it a month and see how it all looks and then make determinations of what would fit best around Scottie, IQ, and to a lesser extent, RJ in a Pascal trade.

And I do think RJ's usage will go down with the Raptors. He'll still get touches, because Darko's system is much less iso heavy than Thibs' and the ball gets shared around a bit more, but it won't be "here's the ball, go make something happen" kind of touches he had in NY as much. Actually, for the first little while, I think Barrett will spend more time in the corners, because it seems his shot is better from there. That should allow Quickley to initiate more from the top of the arc.
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Re: Official Immanuel Quickley Thread 

Post#263 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Jan 2, 2024 12:35 am

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Immanuel Quickley is the most interesting player in this trade
Even if I can make sense of this deal for both teams, I disagree with the public framing of this move as “The OG Anunoby Trade.” If we have to center the deal on one player, I think Quickley should be that guy. To me, it’s more accurate to call this “The Immanuel Quickley Trade” instead. He is the highest-upside player in the deal.

The 24-year-old point guard has been ready for an upgraded role for more than a year and will get every chance to showcase himself in Toronto. The Raptors have needed a long-term point guard option next to Scottie Barnes since initiating this roster re-tool around the 2021-22 Rookie of the Year. In Quickley, they’ve found the perfect fit. He accentuates Barnes’ skillset, retains plenty of room to grow into his own scoring and playmaking skill and fits on the age timeline of the rest of the Raptors’ core.

How this trade shakes out will depend on whether Quickley grows into his role now as the likely Raptors starting point guard. Every time the Knicks have asked Quickley to increase his workload over the last two seasons, he’s done it and thrived. He was my clear pick for Sixth Man of the Year last season; even though Quickley ended up finishing second to then-Boston Celtics guard Malcolm Brogdon, I felt his all-around play was worthy of the honor.

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On top of that, we have evidence of Quickley’s capability in a starting role. Last season, Quickley started 21 games, either in place of Jalen Brunson as the primary point guard or next to him while replacing the injured Barrett. The results were stellar: In those 21 games, Quickley averaged 22.6 points, 5.4 rebounds and 5.1 assists per game on 46.9 percent shooting from the field, 40.1 percent from 3 and 84.6 percent from the line in 38 minutes per game. All of those numbers exceeded his overall per-minute production. This season, he’s upped his per-minute production to something commensurate with those starter numbers, averaging 22.5 points, 3.8 rebounds and 3.7 assists per 36 minutes while shooting 45.4 percent from the field, 39.5 percent from 3 and 87.2 percent from the line.

Just as Brunson thrived in a bigger role with the Knicks after playing a secondary role next to Luka Dončić in Dallas, Quickley should have a very high level of success with an increased role in Toronto. He’s a legitimate three-level scorer, as he was one of only 10 guards last season to make at least 65 percent at the rim, 45 percent from midrange, and 36 percent from 3, according to Cleaning The Glass. Six of the other nine players were all-stars, and the other three were much lower usage players (Oklahoma City Thunder reserve Isaiah Joe, then-Washington Wizards point guard Monté Morris and Boston’s Derrick White – a potential 2024 All-Star). This season, even with a drop off in rim pressure and efficiency, Quickley remains one of only 14 guards to be making at least 57 percent at the rim, 45 percent from the midrange and 37 percent from 3. All told, Quickley has posted slightly above-average efficiency on significant volume in the last two seasons, at just 23 and 24 years old.

Quickley’s shot-making versatility is how he generates separation to create scoring opportunities. Quickley is a constant threat to pull up and shoot, which affects how defenders play him, particularly in ball-screen situations. There isn’t a single ideal strategy to guard him, especially if opponents don’t have the right personnel. Because of that, Quickley has rated as an outstanding pick-and-roll scorer in each of last two years.

The following clips from a November game against Phoenix in which Quickley dropped 18 points in 29 minutes show how his shotmaking versatility actually plays out.

When opponents go over the screen, he plays with great poise and patience, keeping defenders on his hip – as he does to Devin Booker here – while waiting for his screener’s defender to decide if they need to help the roller or stay attached to him. As soon as Phoenix big man Drew Eubanks drops his right foot to stay attached to the Knicks’ Isaiah Hartenstein, Quickley bounces off Booker to his right and hits a midrange pull-up.

If his defender goes under the screen, like Jordan Goodwin does below, Quickley has a lightning-quick release to stop behind the pick and pull up from 3. He excels at finding and shooting from the area behind his screener, using them almost as a lead blocker in football.

But if the screener’s man gives Quickley space to attack out of a step-up screen like this one, he can get downhill and put that player in a difficult spot.

Dealing with Quickley in ball-screen situations requires having an elite defensive guard who can fight around and through those screens. There aren’t many defenders like that in the league.

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There are times Quickley can get sped up in those situations, especially when forced to be a passer instead of a scorer. While Quickley isn’t a bad playmaker for his teammates and minimizes turnovers at an elite level by not compounding over-drives with bad decisions, he tends to be better at finding rolls or cutters than making kickout passes to shooters. He has only assisted on 26 3-pointers in 30 games so far this season, a low number for a player now stepping into a starting point guard role. Most of those assists come after he’s picked up the ball and exhausted other options.

Still, this is an area Quickley can legitimately improve. He possesses a 6-foot-8 wingspan that could be used more effectively to open up passing angles if he can get more comfortable making them off a live dribble. For now, skip passes, and others of that ilk, are few and far between. But if Quickley can add those to his bag, he would become even more lethal as a scorer because defenders would hesitate a split second longer to tag his rollers.

With the presence of Barnes in Toronto, Quickley won’t have to take on the entire burden of running the team’s offense. The two will likely share responsibilities, with both acting as outlets off rebounding opportunities as the other pushes the pace. Quickley’s dual capability as an on- and off-ball player makes him the exact fit for the kind of guard needed next to Barnes, He’s a terrific scorer, a legitimate shooter who can space the floor and someone with defensive chops to cover both backcourt positions. With Barnes shifting into more of a help defense role akin to an NFL free safety, Quickley will be asked to play more on the ball defensively, where he must fight over the top of screens and disrupt opponents at the point of attack. He’s certainly capable of that, and he’s also been a sharp and timely off-ball defender who rotates well and makes his length felt on the opposite side. I don’t think Quickley’s quite the All-Defense-level player Anonoby is, but he’s a good defender.

My only remaining questions surround Quickley’s consistency in the playoffs. Can he make the same level of impact when defenses ratchet up and he’s facing longer, tougher on-ball threats? His 13 career playoff games thus far have been a struggle; his effective field goal percentage in that span is below 40 percent. My guess is his shot will come around. but his passing and playmaking must improve to perform better in postseason settings.

Overall, though, I bet Quickley ends up working out extremely well in Toronto, assuming the team retains him in restricted free agency this summer. I think he morphs into a 20-plus point-per-game scorer on solid efficiency, averages more than five assists per game and adds defensive value. While moving him for Anunoby makes sense for New York because it was unlikely Quickley could get enough chances to shine with Brunson thriving, I bet Quickley ends up becoming a borderline all-star at some point in his career.
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Post#264 » by xAIRNESSx » Tue Jan 2, 2024 12:43 am

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Post#265 » by TheAlchemist23 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:34 pm

Missed a lot of easy shots that he usually makes last night, could've easily had 21+ points even with foul trouble
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Post#266 » by Bruin » Tue Jan 2, 2024 7:48 pm

Next 2 games against Ja and then Fox. Gonna be fun to see him matchup against those guys
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Post#267 » by Mrhankey123 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:01 pm

Serious question, What makes Quickley a better player/more hyped than Lou Williams? No one ever called Lou an all star but Quickley is viewed as a future star here. Both undersized microwave style scorers. The few times I've watched Quickley (including yesterday's game) I thought he'd be a more willing playmaker, 6+ assists type of player which would set him apart but I didn't see any of that yesterday.
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Post#268 » by brownbobcat » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:02 pm

Mrhankey123 wrote:Serious question, What makes Quickley a better player/more heralded than Lou Williams? No one ever called Lou an all star but Quickley is viewed as a future star here. Both undersized microwave style scorers. The few times I've watched Quickley (including yesterday's game) I thought he'd be a more willing playmaker, 6+ assists type of player which would set him apart but I didn't see any of that yesterday.

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Post#269 » by MavCarter » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:03 pm

Mrhankey123 wrote:Serious question, What makes Quickley a better player/more hyped than Lou Williams? No one ever called Lou an all star but Quickley is viewed as a future star here. Both undersized microwave style scorers. The few times I've watched Quickley (including yesterday's game) I thought he'd be a more willing playmaker, 6+ assists type of player which would set him apart but I didn't see any of that yesterday.


Lou was an average 3pt shooter who was a pylon on D
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Post#270 » by Morris_Shatford » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:15 pm

Have we touched on what we think his extension this summer is going to look like?
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Post#271 » by SFour » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:20 pm

Mrhankey123 wrote:Serious question, What makes Quickley a better player/more hyped than Lou Williams? No one ever called Lou an all star but Quickley is viewed as a future star here. Both undersized microwave style scorers. The few times I've watched Quickley (including yesterday's game) I thought he'd be a more willing playmaker, 6+ assists type of player which would set him apart but I didn't see any of that yesterday.


IQ is apparently a good defender.....Lou will was known for his bad defense, basically being a weak link that was exploitable in the playoffs.
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Post#272 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:22 pm

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Mrhankey123 wrote:Serious question, What makes Quickley a better player/more heralded than Lou Williams? No one ever called Lou an all star but Quickley is viewed as a future star here. Both undersized microwave style scorers. The few times I've watched Quickley (including yesterday's game) I thought he'd be a more willing playmaker, 6+ assists type of player which would set him apart but I didn't see any of that yesterday.

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He's also more efficient at a younger age.
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Post#273 » by MavCarter » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:25 pm

Lou williams with average defense and a little better efficiency is a very good player btw
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Post#274 » by Tripod » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:25 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Have we touched on what we think his extension this summer is going to look like?

He was looking for 25 in NY....so with mote mins, better stats, Can tax....30.
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Post#275 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:26 pm

MavCarter wrote:Lou williams with average defense and a little better efficiency is a very good player btw


You just described a bonafide star.
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Post#276 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:27 pm

Loved what he provided last night. I think that performance was closer to his "floor" as well. The foul trouble really killed his rhythm and it was also his first game in a brand new system. Gonna take some getting used to but I'm glad Darko had the balls to insert him into the starting lineup right off the bat.
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Post#277 » by MavCarter » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:29 pm

My only worry is the spurs apparently like him and have the cap to give him a big offer
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Post#278 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:29 pm

Mrhankey123 wrote:Serious question, What makes Quickley a better player/more hyped than Lou Williams? No one ever called Lou an all star but Quickley is viewed as a future star here. Both undersized microwave style scorers. The few times I've watched Quickley (including yesterday's game) I thought he'd be a more willing playmaker, 6+ assists type of player which would set him apart but I didn't see any of that yesterday.


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Post#279 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:30 pm

MavCarter wrote:My only worry is the spurs apparently like him and have the cap to give him a big offer


The most he can be offered is 5yr/135mil. (27mil AAV)

If Spurs offer that, Raps will match.
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Post#280 » by brownbobcat » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:31 pm

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Mrhankey123 wrote:Serious question, What makes Quickley a better player/more heralded than Lou Williams? No one ever called Lou an all star but Quickley is viewed as a future star here. Both undersized microwave style scorers. The few times I've watched Quickley (including yesterday's game) I thought he'd be a more willing playmaker, 6+ assists type of player which would set him apart but I didn't see any of that yesterday.

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He's also more efficient at a younger age.

They're fairly similar if you look at it relative to league averages (TS+). What usually gets guys pigeonholed as microwave scorers is some mix of defensive limitations, not being able to create for others and being good but not elite at getting buckets - AKA the Jamal Crawford 3-piece combo.

I'm hoping Quickley can turn out to be at least a Jason Terry-type.

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