2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[SpezNc]

Likely Ware at 19 or Chomche at 31 but if good upside players drop who knows how big the big will be. Bobi Klintman is 6'10 225 and strokes the 3. Might well be him at 31.. if McCain is there at 19 are we taking Ware? I think not.

It will be Edey/Ware/Missi. And we probably have then ahead of some guards. Not devin though he aint dropping

I have narrowed to Missi as Edey lasting to 19 seems like a pipe dream. Missi's motor and athleticism are stand out. He doesn't shoot it, but he can drive and pass well for his size. Ware just lacks the personality and awareness of a Raptor.

Pipe dream? He is #20 as per aggregates Consensus Rookie Scale.

https://www.rookiescale.com/2024-consensus-board/

I am not saying it’s certain that he is available but it’s not a pipe dream either IMO. He is mocked pretty much around where we draft.

[billy_hoyle]

Watched my first mock draft today. Once it got into the 20s, the scouting reports really felt 2nd round ish.

need to package 19+31 to move up into the top 15.

after 15 this draft really falls off

Name your 15 right now.

I'll bet $100 that one of those players is available at 19 when we are on the clock.

[WuTang_CMB]

Likely Ware at 19 or Chomche at 31 but if good upside players drop who knows how big the big will be. Bobi Klintman is 6'10 225 and strokes the 3. Might well be him at 31.. if McCain is there at 19 are we taking Ware? I think not.

It will be Edey/Ware/Missi. And we probably have then ahead of some guards. Not devin though he aint dropping

I have narrowed to Missi as Edey lasting to 19 seems like a pipe dream. Missi's motor and athleticism are stand out. He doesn't shoot it, but he can drive and pass well for his size. Ware just lacks the personality and awareness of a Raptor.

Who knows. I wouldnt be surprised. These mocks will be destroyed moreso than most years. Missi and Edey both solid with upside and i can see either being selected if there

[disoblige]

Watched my first mock draft today. Once it got into the 20s, the scouting reports really felt 2nd round ish.

need to package 19+31 to move up into the top 15.

after 15 this draft really falls off

Name your 15 right now.

I'll bet $100 that one of those players is available at 19 when we are on the clock.

Thats not a fair bet. Instead of one, 3-5

[ArthurVandelay]

I’d take Holmes over Ware or Missi.

[Landomar]

I think in general with older players you want them to really pop on BPM. Da Silva is solid, but not good enough for me. For me, I'm looking north of 9 BPM or a high ppg.

Jaylon Tyson has the high ppg but his BPM is weak for his age. I think that's a potential role player, but not one I'd waste a FRP on.

Devin Carter has the best of both worlds and tested extremely well at the combine. Same with DaRon Holmes. With Holmes, he definitely gives me the 'hiding in plain sight' feeling I'm looking for.

I look at older players the same way. The stats need to really jump off the page, and I do like looking at BPM to narrow the pool down a bit. I then take the highest BPM guys and look at things like athleticism and what role a player would have in the NBA. In the draft class this year, Carter and Holmes are obvious standouts to me. I'd be thrilled to draft either of them.

I'm also skeptical of Da Silva and Tyson. They both look like good second round picks to me, but neither of those guys would make it into my top 19.

[SpezNc]

It will be Edey/Ware/Missi. And we probably have then ahead of some guards. Not devin though he aint dropping

I have narrowed to Missi as Edey lasting to 19 seems like a pipe dream. Missi's motor and athleticism are stand out. He doesn't shoot it, but he can drive and pass well for his size. Ware just lacks the personality and awareness of a Raptor.

Who knows. I wouldnt be surprised. These mocks will be destroyed moreso than most years. Missi and Edey both solid with upside and i can see either being selected if there

Each draft provides surprises, players rising up, players falling.

There seems to be a consensus group of 11 players. The order of these 11 players change but there is a clear consensus .

Group 1: Sarr, Risacher, Buzelis, Clingan, Castle, Holland, Williams, Dillingham, Topic, Sheppard, Knecht

Group 2: Carter, McCain, Salaun, Walter, Collier

Group 3: Da Silva, Filipowski, Missi, Ware, Edey, Carrington, Smith, George, Furphy

Group 4: Kolek, Klintman, Dunn, McCullar, Holmes, Tyson, Dadiet, Djurisic, Simpson, Jones, Scheirman, Flowers etc..

The Group 1 is pretty much set . Virtually impossible someone drop to 19 from that list . Who draft who within the top11 could lead to surprise. Maybe one player can drop a couple spot after 11 but that’s about it.

The Group 2 is also pretty much set. Would be a surprise if someone drop to 19. From that group Walter and Collier are arguably likelier to fall to 19. In conclusion I don’t expect anyone from that list to be available at #19 but at the same time it’s still very much possible to see a surprise there.

The group 3 and 4 is where the fun start IMO. The separation between those two group is blur. Virtually any player from Group 3 and 4 can theoretically be our pick both #19 and #31. This where the consensus stop IMO.

[WuTang_CMB]

I have narrowed to Missi as Edey lasting to 19 seems like a pipe dream. Missi's motor and athleticism are stand out. He doesn't shoot it, but he can drive and pass well for his size. Ware just lacks the personality and awareness of a Raptor.

Who knows. I wouldnt be surprised. These mocks will be destroyed moreso than most years. Missi and Edey both solid with upside and i can see either being selected if there

Each draft provides surprises, players rising up, players falling.

There seems to be a consensus group of 11 players. The order of these 11 players change but there is a clear consensus .

Group 1: Sarr, Risacher, Buzelis, Clingan, Castle, Holland, Williams, Dillingham, Topic, Sheppard, Knecht

Group 2: Carter, McCain, Salaun, Walter, Collier

Group 3: Da Silva, Filipowski, Missi, Ware, Edey, Carrington, Smith, George, Furphy

Group 4: Kolek, Klintman, Dunn, McCullar, Holmes, Tyson, Dadiet, Djurisic, Simpson, Jones, Scheirman, Flowers etc..

The Group 1 is pretty much set . Virtually impossible someone drop to 19 from that list . Who draft who within the top11 could lead to surprise. Maybe one player can drop a couple spot after 11 but that’s about it.

The Group 2 is also pretty much set. Would be a surprise if someone drop to 19. From that group Walter and Collier are arguably likelier to fall to 19. In conclusion I don’t expect anyone from that list to be available at #19 but at the same time it’s still very much possible to see a surprise there.

The group 3 and 4 is where the fun start IMO. The separation between those two group is blur. Virtually any player from Group 3 and 4 can theoretically be our pick both #19 and #31. This where the consensus stop IMO.

Anyone can drop from your group 2 especially in a draft like this. Specifically Walter and Collier. Wouldnt surprise me at all. This draft is flat and its going to work out for the teams that do their homework.

[DreamTeam09]

I have narrowed to Missi as Edey lasting to 19 seems like a pipe dream. Missi's motor and athleticism are stand out. He doesn't shoot it, but he can drive and pass well for his size. Ware just lacks the personality and awareness of a Raptor.

Who knows. I wouldnt be surprised. These mocks will be destroyed moreso than most years. Missi and Edey both solid with upside and i can see either being selected if there

Each draft provides surprises, players rising up, players falling.

There seems to be a consensus group of 11 players. The order of these 11 players change but there is a clear consensus .

Group 1: Sarr, Risacher, Buzelis, Clingan, Castle, Holland, Williams, Dillingham, Topic, Sheppard, Knecht

Group 2: Carter, McCain, Salaun, Walter, Collier

Group 3: Da Silva, Filipowski, Missi, Ware, Edey, Carrington, Smith, George, Furphy

Group 4: Kolek, Klintman, Dunn, McCullar, Holmes, Tyson, Dadiet, Djurisic, Simpson, Jones, Scheirman, Flowers etc..

The Group 1 is pretty much set . Virtually impossible someone drop to 19 from that list . Who draft who within the top11 could lead to surprise. Maybe one player can drop a couple spot after 11 but that’s about it.

The Group 2 is also pretty much set. Would be a surprise if someone drop to 19. From that group Walter and Collier are arguably likelier to fall to 19. In conclusion I don’t expect anyone from that list to be available at #19 but at the same time it’s still very much possible to see a surprise there.

The group 3 and 4 is where the fun start IMO. The separation between those two group is blur. Virtually any player from Group 3 and 4 can theoretically be our pick both #19 and #31. This where the consensus stop IMO.

I agree with most of this & had similar thoughts weeks ago around here somewhere. My only disagreement is that you should feel someone from group 2 will be there at 19. All those PGs will not be selected within the first 19 picks. Topic Dillingham, Carter, McCain, Collier, that's 5 pgs. Not to mention if Castle & Sheppard might be viewed as pgs for some teams.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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[WuTang_CMB]

I’d take Holmes over Ware or Missi.

Maybe Raps view holmes as a versatile guy that can play the 4 but also can be a 5 when teams go small. Fit might be there if his defense (which i have questions about for 4’s) and shot is legit especially next to Scottie.

[TimeForChange]

Watched my first mock draft today. Once it got into the 20s, the scouting reports really felt 2nd round ish.

need to package 19+31 to move up into the top 15.

after 15 this draft really falls off

Name your 15 right now.

I'll bet $100 that one of those players is available at 19 when we are on the clock.

In no order:

clingan
sarr
risacher
sheppard
topic
dillingham
holland
buzelis
salaun
walter
knecht
castle
edey
williams

those 14 imo don't make it out of the top 15. I think collier ends up going in the top 15 but, fine, the raps should package 19+31 for a lotto pick.

[disoblige]

need to package 19+31 to move up into the top 15.

after 15 this draft really falls off

Name your 15 right now.

I'll bet $100 that one of those players is available at 19 when we are on the clock.

In no order:

clingan
sarr
risacher
sheppard
topic
dillingham
holland
buzelis
salaun
walter
knecht
castle
edey
williams

those 14 imo don't make it out of the top 15. I think collier ends up going in the top 15 but, fine, the raps should package 19+31 for a lotto pick.

Edey 13th-14th? I might make that bet lol.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I’d take Holmes over Ware or Missi.

Maybe Raps view holmes as a versatile guy that can play the 4 but also can be a 5 when teams go small. Fit might be there if his defense (which i have questions about for 4’s) and shot is legit especially next to Scottie.

Holmes over Ware if you’re being safe, but Ware is the choice if you want to hit a homer. I’d say Holmes’ range is something like Robert Covington to Paul Millsap, whereas Ware would be something like Christian Wood to LaMarcus Aldridge.

So obviously, we probably all like Aldridge more than Millsap, but we also prefer Covington to Wood.

[disoblige]

[Dalek]

It will be Edey/Ware/Missi. And we probably have then ahead of some guards. Not devin though he aint dropping

I have narrowed to Missi as Edey lasting to 19 seems like a pipe dream. Missi's motor and athleticism are stand out. He doesn't shoot it, but he can drive and pass well for his size. Ware just lacks the personality and awareness of a Raptor.

Pipe dream? He is #20 as per aggregates Consensus Rookie Scale.

https://www.rookiescale.com/2024-consensus-board/

I am not saying it’s certain that he is available but it’s not a pipe dream either IMO. He is mocked pretty much around where we draft.

I am not a big mock draft person because there is very little actual intel at this point and more people's best guess.

My reasoning is that the draft has so many playoff teams ahead of Toronto who need a back-up big and Edey would profile well on a playoff team. Edey fits with Memphis (9), OKC (12), Mia (15), Phi (16), Lak (17) and Orl (18). I would be surprised if he made it through all those teams and no one selected him. The Lakers getting their pick back this year from NO is an interesting wrinkle. They tried out Vandy and Wood at C, and I could see Edey making sense there behind Davis.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

[BoyzNTheHood]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

Because he was projected that way as a high schooler, and draft nerds can’t wrap their minds around being wrong. It’s also seen as a “weak” draft so a 5 star prospect should technically be a lottery pick. I don’t think he should be as polarizing as he is, he can be solid in the NBA, but he needs a lot of time in the gym.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Da Silva is 23 years old with no standout skills or physical traits.

His shooting is absolutely a standout skill. He's 6-8 without shoes and has shot around 40% from 3 for three consecutive years on good volume. That's much more consistent and a better track record than most prospects who are billed as "shooters". And it's definitely a transferable skill to the NBA at that height.

Whether or not you believe his other skills are enough, or will be improvable enough to be more than someone like Davis Bertans in the league is another story. I happen to think that they will, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to believe otherwise. But I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that he doesn't have a standout skill.

6'10.25 wingspan with mediocre athleticism isn't what I'd call a standout physical profile and I disagree strongly regarding his shooting and what constitutes "good volume". He's 23. Everything needs to be a lot better at that age than what he has demonstrated. He also didn't take much of a jump between Jr. and Sr. years. It amounts to likely mediocrity and nothing you can't find for cheap via trade or FA in the NBA.

I didn't say his physical profile was standout. I said his shooting was a standout skill. He shot 4.8 threes per game this year. The other recognized "shooters" that are being mentioned in the 1st round of the draft this year shot 5.8 (Jared McCain), 4.4 (Sheppard), 4.2 (George), etc. I'd say that's good enough volume for his shooting to be a recognized quality skill, especially when he shot .394 and .373 the previous two years after before putting up .395 this year.

And yeah, Baylor Scheierman is also a good shooter (who is older than da Silva and 2 inches shorter). I like Scheierman. That doesn't in any way impact whether or not da Silva is a good shooter.

[Dalek]

Someone needs to sell me on Collier. Not seeing the appeal as an okay athlete that doesn’t shoot that well. Why is he projected lottery?

Because he was projected that way as a high schooler, and draft nerds can’t wrap their minds around being wrong. It’s also seen as a “weak” draft so a 5 star prospect should technically be a lottery pick. I don’t think he should be as polarizing as he is, he can be solid in the NBA, but he needs a lot of time in the gym.

I really like Collier because of the on ball speed. It shows in his transition scoring and high FTR (.497) and at the rim scoring (62%). That kind of rate is usually for at the basket bigs not PGs. He also has a 30 AST% so you can see him breaking down a defense and kicking out to shooters. Lastly, while he is not a big run and jump athlete he tested as one of the fastest at the Combine while he weighed in at 204 lbs, similar to Jared McCain. That is excellent for his prospects as a defender and playing in the NBA right away.

Why IC could fit Toronto is our most effective offense is in transition after a turnover. Having a one-two punch of Collier and Quickley is a lot of speed for other teams to manage. Collier has more of a power game which is a nice contrast to IQ who is more slippery and perimeter oriented.

Why Toronto might pass is that he is turnover prone and not a great shooter. It seems like we want more conservative guards and one who can spread the floor. IC probably will never be a plus shooter, but I swear he was better in high school and had good stretches in college.