Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[tsherkin]

yikes, didn't realize the C+S was so bad.

Yeah, it's a sharp decline from last year. 3.9 3PA/g (catch and shoot) at 38.5% over 60 games.

But that appears to be the outlier. 30.1% on 2.1 3PA/g catch and shoot in 2023, right? So it feels a bit like normalization this year.

Congrats to Scottie though on the award! First one of the career?

Yeah, his last couple of games were pretty solid, which was nice to see.

[Scase]

I think everyone can be happy for him and still critical of other things. I love Scottie, probably one of the biggest believers of him, but he still sucks at 3 point shooting lol. I've been saying all year he needs to work in the mid range, and he's finally doing that and having some good success, I'm happy with this.

The next step next season is the 3 though, he needs to become a close to 40% 3 point catch and shoot shooter on decent volume.

If he can do it once, he can do it again.

Him being just good at the midrange isn't enough imo. But yes, nice to see him nail it down it looks like.

Yeah I'm fine with that, but you gotta get good at, at least one thing before you worry too much about another. The better his MR is, the more space he will have on his 3's etc. Put him in the corner and his C&S will be at 40% in no time, it's no different than RJ, just put him in positions to succeed and not throwing **** at a wall and hoping something sticks.

[Vampirate]

I think everyone can be happy for him and still critical of other things. I love Scottie, probably one of the biggest believers of him, but he still sucks at 3 point shooting lol. I've been saying all year he needs to work in the mid range, and he's finally doing that and having some good success, I'm happy with this.

The next step next season is the 3 though, he needs to become a close to 40% 3 point catch and shoot shooter on decent volume.

If he can do it once, he can do it again.

Him being just good at the midrange isn't enough imo. But yes, nice to see him nail it down it looks like.

Yeah I'm fine with that, but you gotta get good at, at least one thing before you worry too much about another. The better his MR is, the more space he will have on his 3's etc. Put him in the corner and his C&S will be at 40% in no time, it's no different than RJ, just put him in positions to succeed and not throwing **** at a wall and hoping something sticks.

I think the top of the key as well, just don't shoot ATB on the left or the right (well do, but those shots should be the minority)

[Scase]

The next step next season is the 3 though, he needs to become a close to 40% 3 point catch and shoot shooter on decent volume.

If he can do it once, he can do it again.

Him being just good at the midrange isn't enough imo. But yes, nice to see him nail it down it looks like.

Yeah I'm fine with that, but you gotta get good at, at least one thing before you worry too much about another. The better his MR is, the more space he will have on his 3's etc. Put him in the corner and his C&S will be at 40% in no time, it's no different than RJ, just put him in positions to succeed and not throwing **** at a wall and hoping something sticks.

I think the top of the key as well, just don't shoot ATB on the left or the right (well do, but those shots should be the minority)

What are his C&S numbers up there? I know he's definitely better there than on the sides, but it's not exactly an ideal spot for a C&S 3 typically.

[Vampirate]

Yeah I'm fine with that, but you gotta get good at, at least one thing before you worry too much about another. The better his MR is, the more space he will have on his 3's etc. Put him in the corner and his C&S will be at 40% in no time, it's no different than RJ, just put him in positions to succeed and not throwing **** at a wall and hoping something sticks.

I think the top of the key as well, just don't shoot ATB on the left or the right (well do, but those shots should be the minority)

What are his C&S numbers up there? I know he's definitely better there than on the sides, but it's not exactly an ideal spot for a C&S 3 typically.

No idea where to find that. But he's shooting under 30% on catch and shoots this season, depressing honestly.

On 3 point shots, his C & S is at 29.4% his Pull Ups are at 25%

I guess we have to hope he can maintain a 5-6 FT a game like he did with Atlanta (though tbh I didn't find the last game that impressive looking at all shots)

[Tha Cynic]

Scottie Barnes showing more and more that he's the modern day Garnett. Dude completely changed the game with his defense.

[WuTang_CMB]

Been a total beast

[Kingsway_fan]

Would have liked better than 6 fir 21 tonight, though...

[SFour]

Would have liked better than 6 fir 21 tonight, though...

it's good that even when he's shooting poorly you still want him on the floor cause he has an overall positive impact

[Vampirate]

3rd straight game with at least 7 FTs, this is what he needs to do consistently.

[PushDaRock]

These are the kind of games actual good scorers have when they go 6 for 21, they save it from being a horrendous game by getting to the line a bunch. 26 FT attempts in the last 3 games is huge and hopefully it becomes the new normal for him.

[earthtone]

These are the kind of games actual good scorers have when they go 6 for 21, they save it from being a horrendous game by getting to the line a bunch. 26 FT attempts in the last 3 games is huge and hopefully it becomes the new normal for him.

He's been getting the star whistle lately, which can only be a sign of good things to come. Still has a tendency to flail around instead of taking it strong more than I'd like, but if the refs are calling it, can't complain.

[tsherkin]

So that was a crap-ass ugly game from Scottie in terms of scoring. He got to the line, which was great. He uselessly bombed from 3, which was not, and he sucked inside the arc. Did his usual versatile game, though, and despite the horrible shooting, I did like seeing him both getting to the line and making free throws. That's the continuation of a recent trend which has been quite nice. If he can get himself to a decent draw rate, then he can make a meaningful shift into at least managing decent efficiency. That'd be a fairly big deal for us if he could pull that off on whole seasons.

[PushDaRock]

We are seeing Scottie execute a lot of stunt and recovers back on his man when guarding PNR. The defensive chemistry on this team through this 7 game stretch has been night and day from the rest of the year. I've said this many times but putting his energy focus towards defense more than offense is what unlocks his max potential as a player.

[MEDIC]

Scottie Barnes showing more and more that he's the modern day Garnett. Dude completely changed the game with his defense.

This month he has been better than a prime Bosh. I hope he can keep it up.

[MEDIC]

We are seeing Scottie execute a lot of stunt and recovers back on his man when guarding PNR. The defensive chemistry on this team through this 7 game stretch has been night and day from the rest of the year. I've said this many times but putting his energy focus towards defense more than offense is what unlocks his max potential as a player.

Yup. Help defense specifically. His talent is wasted as a primary POA defender.

He should be a 20-24ppg scorer, 8-9 rebound & 5-7 assist player while being a terror defensively. That will be his sweet spot I think.

I like Tha Cynic'a KG comp. I can see it more than ever now. The stats I posted above are basically KG stats.

KG with less rebounding, & a better 3 point shot.

You replace KG's 20 footers with Scotties 3's & it makes for better scoring & better spacing.

Scottie may be shorter, but I think he an be just as effective as a shot blocker. He's a smoother athlete than KG was as well. It helps him cover a lot of ground on defense.

[HiJiNX]

So that was a crap-ass ugly game from Scottie in terms of scoring. He got to the line, which was great. He uselessly bombed from 3, which was not, and he sucked inside the arc. Did his usual versatile game, though, and despite the horrible shooting, I did like seeing him both getting to the line and making free throws. That's the continuation of a recent trend which has been quite nice. If he can get himself to a decent draw rate, then he can make a meaningful shift into at least managing decent efficiency. That'd be a fairly big deal for us if he could pull that off on whole seasons.

I’d add that despite not being able to hit the broad side of a barn yesterday that Barnes was still able to have a positive impact on the offensive side of the ball, especially in the second half, because he’s now commanding more gravity. This allowed him to spray the ball around a bit and get easy opportunities for his teammates. He made a couple nice cuts as well.

The positive is that he won’t shoot as poorly as he did last night in most games, but he’s certainly capable of manipulating the defence if he continues to generate gravity. Add that to what he brings on the other side of the ball and he becomes a very impactful player.

I think what’s not being talked about is he is clearly in the best shape of his career. He’s able to play hard the entire time he’s on the court. And I think he’s finally learning what it takes to be a leader by example on the floor as well.

Far from a finished product but the last 2 weeks (and the weeks before his eye injury) are proving to be promising.

[tsherkin]

I’d add that despite not being able to hit the broad side of a barn yesterday that Barnes was still able to have a positive impact on the offensive side of the ball, especially in the second half, because he’s now commanding more gravity. This allowed him to spray the ball around a bit and get easy opportunities for his teammates. He made a couple nice cuts as well.

Yeah, I was careful to phrase that as "scoring" for a reason. His broader effect on the game was still good.

Far from a finished product but the last 2 weeks (and the weeks before his eye injury) are proving to be promising.

We've seen him have a strong month or two before, so we'll see how this goes. But he can't do anything about the games he hasn't played yet, so the only thing left is to see how those games go, for sure.

[ItsDanger]

He needs to accept at some point that he isn't a good 3 pt shooter and reduce his attempts.

[Brinbe]

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