Shams: BI extension (3 Years $120M) **Presser at 5:15pm** Link Pg. 24

[disoblige]

I like the length!

[Jerry Lucas]

Where are all the posters who thought he would sign a deal starting at $34m?

This organization is so predictable.

I'm guessing this is a shot at me because I'm pretty sure I was the only poster who said $34M for Ingram year 1 was a possibility.

When I said that, I was assuming that the contract extension would be for 5 years 40M AAV instead of 3 years. I had not seen the 120/3 rumours when I made that post. If it had been a 5 year extension, the 1st year salary could have started at $34M instead of $37M (the lowest it could have started on this 3 year deal) because of the longer term.

[Shakril]

Where are all the posters who thought he would sign a deal starting at $34m?

This organization is so predictable.

I mean, it does start at $37 if you factor in max raises which most were. Is that so far off?

People sadly are quick to insult people for thinking differently. Creates a toxic environment.

[mtcan]

Quickley/Shead/?
Barrett/Dick/Walter
Ingram/Agbaji/Battle
Barnes/Boucher/Mogbo
Poeltl/Malauch/Robinson

They probably need to flip Barrett

I'm guessing IQ or Barrett are the odd guy out depending on how the draft shakes out.

We sure do have a lot of guards that could eventually take over the starting spot as well in Gradey and Jakobe who I project could be potential starters in a year or so...which just so happens to coincide with RJ's contract expiring.

[mtcan]

I like the length!

...that's what she said...

[Tripod]

Keep them all, see how the draft plays out, see what holes you have and what makes sense. We don't "need" to rush into anything.

[Shakril]

the team has until the 2026 draft to get under the luxury tax if they don't want to pay it.

Yup, just think that it will be a more painful process if they do have to do so now.

'They aren't really in danger of being in the tax.

Actually they are. Its an 12 men roster (including the picks) and they are only 2 mil under the cap. (according to the graphic).

Room for 1 minimum and thats it. I doubt Boucher for example will play for the minimum.

[Landomar]

It's good to get this taken care of, and the numbers look fine to me.

For next year, we currently have 177.3 million on the books for 11 players. The luxury tax will be 195.9 million. This gives us a budget of 18.6 million for our 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, and 2 other guys. Seems doable.

18.6 million
-----
Cooper Flagg - 13.8 million
2nd rounder - 2 million
2 other minimum guys - 2 x 2 million = 4 million

19.8 million total. If we don't win the lottery and get a lower pick, that frees up enough wiggle room that we'll get under the tax no problem. If we do get Flagg, then we can look to make a small trade that shaves a little bit of money off our payroll. Something like Dick, Agbaji, or Walter for a slightly cheaper backup center, which is the kind of move we might want to make anyway to balance the roster.

[Shakril]

Yup, just think that it will be a more painful process if they do have to do so now.

'They aren't really in danger of being in the tax.

Oh man why'd you have brings the facts and numbers out... you know Masai haters don't like that.

These numbers say: only 2 mil under the cap with 12 Players (inlcuding picks). What about the other 3 spots that put us over the tax line. How about that fact?

[anotherhomer]

With this extension confirmed, the Raptors as they stand will begin the season above the luxury tax line next season if they end up with a top 3 pick.

The possible implication here (and org messaging about their feelings on this draft could back this up), is that they are so high on the 3 players at the top of their draft board, that they may have already convinced ownership to spend into the tax next season if they can add a top 3 pick specifically, to this current group of players.

Thats the sense I get.

They prolly present a chart showing how other teams historically take a few seasons to rebuild, and showed them that spending a bit more would allow them to be competitive sooner thus increasing revenue while maintaining a pipeline of young players

[Mak]

We can argue about tax all day, it does not matter now...we have to wait to see what happens at the lottery.

[Shakril]

'They aren't really in danger of being in the tax.

We have to add a backup big. We can’t roll into next year with Mogbo as the only backup 4 OR 5. Something is going to have to give. If we’re planning on dodging the tax next year something has to give. We don’t have much (if any) flotsam to jettison to make a tax dodging move.

If SAC blows it up this summer, could see us pursue Sabonis with IQ and RJ in our hands.

With what money? Even if you swap Poeltl with Sabonis, we would still need a back up 5 and i might be wrong, but i believe Sabonis even has a bigger contract.

[bboyskinnylegs]

player option annoys me, but otherwise happy with the result

[dagger]

With this extension confirmed, the Raptors as they stand will begin the season above the luxury tax line next season if they end up with a top 3 pick.

The possible implication here (and org messaging about their feelings on this draft could back this up), is that they are so high on the 3 players at the top of their draft board, that they may have already convinced ownership to spend into the tax next season if they can add a top 3 pick specifically, to this current group of players.

Thats the sense I get.

They prolly present a chart showing how other teams historically take a few seasons to rebuild, and showed them that spending a bit more would allow them to be competitive sooner thus increasing revenue while maintaining a pipeline of young players

As I noted in another thread, the tax rebate this year ended up at something like $11 million instead of the $18 million that non-tax teams were expected to get before other teams began making deals to lower their tax hit. If the Raptors creep into the tax but stay under the first apron, they could probably make up that tax money and lost rebate cash with a home playoff game or two.

[ArthurVandelay]

I like the length!

This isn’t the Dick thread

[DKB333]

See now the trade is not that bad. 3 years instead of 5 I can live with.

The player option is not something the raps should have offered

Well he wanted more money then this. I imagine this is a bet on BI himself that he will show in these two years thathe is worth what he thinks he is.

[Shakril]

Ah yes....the people who kept getting the response "so he's taking a pay cut? "

Those people kept saying 35 just to make whatever number that came up sound bad.

And yet they were only off by $3m, ~2% of the cap

5-6 million you mean?

Doesnt matter. Capwise and Player Historywise, it was clear it CANT be above 40 mil. That why reasonable people were thinking around the 34,35,36 Mark, cause it would let us keep flexibility and to be honest, its easier to swallow if BI misses half the games.

With 40, they just hit the upper Line and now some are running around and mocking people for beeing reasonable.
I dont understand the personal attacks all the time instead of just discussing things on their merits.

[Jadoogar]

Is it that expensive? Seems pretty normal to me.

25%
24.5%
21%
18%
12.6%

~~101% for starting line up and thats of the regular cap, not tax line.

Phoenix is paying more for 3 players...

probably not a team you want to emulate...

[Jstock12]

Good move probably. Let's be honest, building an actual contender is extremely difficult, so aiming to be an above average team that competes in the playoffs is honorable too.

[mtcan]

We don't normally see guys willing to take less than they can get in Toronto...but he does get to team up with Jakob Poeltl...so the sacrifice seems reasonable for him.