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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#261 » by Indeed » Thu May 1, 2025 1:17 am

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Every year I watch the Barlowes' I feel pretty aligned with them. Their little anecdote about CMB cooking Newell in a one-on-one was interesting. CMB will be a riser in workouts.

Noa Essengue is also interesting to see in mid lottery for them. He is a mystery box player being so young, but they mention productivity and he does seem impactful.

Their discussion on KM is where I am at. He is a freak size-wise, but a rim running big can be had later in the draft
. Mitchell Robinson types are easy enough to find late.


Ppl keep saying that, but just labelling KM as a rim running big is doing a disservice to him and us. Furthermore, who's the rim running big we can get at 39 that'll be more than serviceable?
The ivicis brothers won't cut it, the aussie big won't cut it either

The first one of these one box fits all quotes is "if you like a player take him, worry about the rest later"
Then in a next breath ppl will say "you can get those archetypes later on in the draft"

Both those statements for against eachother.
I'm not sure who's the starter with star level potential at 7 y'all envision, cuz I don't see it. The guards in that range aren't clear cut better than the guards we drafted over the last two years and the PG we traded for


I think you might be boxing yourself to "drafting a 7 foot with starter potential," too much. Why do we have to get that type of player in this draft and why do we burn a high pick on a less than certain outcome?

It's guaranteed that one of the mock draft guys like Joan Beringer or Thomas Sorber or Alex Condon or fall to the second round. These guys all have pretty impressive upside. Maybe not KM's 7'2 size, but they bring a lot of good feel for the game and switchability which KM lacks.

Then you have Ryan Kalkbrenner and Vlad Goldin who can play NBA minutes now and might have more outside shooting potential.

Straight rim runners to watch out for on 2 way deals:
Oumar Ballo Indiana (good defender, better rebounder and can pass a bit)
Moussa Cisse, Memphis (much higher blk% than Maluach but terrible freethrow shooter)
Felix Okpara, Tennessee (monster defender, very limited offense)

I personally prefer just drafting a stretch big with the second pick to help with spacing on the second unit. Ideally, Markovic or Maxime Raynaud.


And you can only have one rim runners for each team on average, with some teams opt for highly skill centre.

Furthermore, there is no championship team with a max contract rim running C for the last 20 years, and perhaps only once or twice teams with a rim running C made it to the championship game for the last 20 years.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#262 » by ciueli » Thu May 1, 2025 1:46 am

Jcity08 wrote:
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With their 1.8% odds, if they win, it will just be more evidence that the lottery is rigged.

League cannot reward them for their own **** up. Ill be so pissed if they do.

Lol what kind of logic is this? How does that prove the lottery is rigged? A 1.8% chance is still possible but unlikely. It doesn’t make it impossible…

The rigged part is explained in my 2nd sentence, the odds that the Mavs get first overall pick in the same season they traded their generation player to the Lakers is tooooooooooo much of a coincidence for my liking. The odds a team can rebound like that is astronomically low especially with odds as abysmal as that.

Believe what you want, but for me thats too much to swallow.


I'll do this again:

- If the Jazz win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because something about Utah and white people.
- If the Wizards win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because the NBA wants to help out a sad sack franchise with no hope in a largish market.
- If the Hornets win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because the NBA wants to reward the new owners who paid billions for a perennial loser in a bad market.
- If the 76ers win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because they want to get Flagg into the playoffs right away on a veteran Sixers team that needs a PF.
- If the Nets win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because they are in the biggest market in the league and they want the exposure for Flagg.
- If the Spurs win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because the NBA wants to create a dynasty team with Wemby and Flagg that will bring in both U.S. and international viewers.

There is a reason the NBA would want to fix the draft to send Cooper Flagg to just about any of the teams with the highest chance to get him, the only way they can prove it's not rigged is to send him here, to Toronto, because the NBA would never want the next big white American born NBA star to be trapped in another country that is at odds with the U.S. right now for the first half of his career, would they? Wait a minute...

- If the Raptors win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because the NBA wants to make it look like the NBA draft isn't rigged.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#263 » by Basketball_Jones » Thu May 1, 2025 1:55 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:Looking more and more likely we trade the pick

We need a superstar and lots might be available


I’d rather send Scottie out instead of trading the pick.
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Post#264 » by bballsparkin » Thu May 1, 2025 2:10 am

If the Mavs won the lottery and Flagg that would be next level stuff. I'm not sure the internet can handle that. Definitely not this site.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#265 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu May 1, 2025 3:24 am

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Ppl keep saying that, but just labelling KM as a rim running big is doing a disservice to him and us. Furthermore, who's the rim running big we can get at 39 that'll be more than serviceable?
The ivicis brothers won't cut it, the aussie big won't cut it either

The first one of these one box fits all quotes is "if you like a player take him, worry about the rest later"
Then in a next breath ppl will say "you can get those archetypes later on in the draft"

Both those statements for against eachother.
I'm not sure who's the starter with star level potential at 7 y'all envision, cuz I don't see it. The guards in that range aren't clear cut better than the guards we drafted over the last two years and the PG we traded for


I think you might be boxing yourself to "drafting a 7 foot with starter potential," too much. Why do we have to get that type of player in this draft and why do we burn a high pick on a less than certain outcome?

It's guaranteed that one of the mock draft guys like Joan Beringer or Thomas Sorber or Alex Condon or fall to the second round. These guys all have pretty impressive upside. Maybe not KM's 7'2 size, but they bring a lot of good feel for the game and switchability which KM lacks.

Then you have Ryan Kalkbrenner and Vlad Goldin who can play NBA minutes now and might have more outside shooting potential.

Straight rim runners to watch out for on 2 way deals:
Oumar Ballo Indiana (good defender, better rebounder and can pass a bit)
Moussa Cisse, Memphis (much higher blk% than Maluach but terrible freethrow shooter)
Felix Okpara, Tennessee (monster defender, very limited offense)

I personally prefer just drafting a stretch big with the second pick to help with spacing on the second unit. Ideally, Markovic or Maxime Raynaud.


And you can only have one rim runners for each team on average, with some teams opt for highly skill centre.

Furthermore, there is no championship team with a max contract rim running C for the last 20 years, and perhaps only once or twice teams with a rim running C made it to the championship game for the last 20 years.


Good thing Jakob and KM would be two different type of players

2024 finals Mavs - Lively/Gafford
2022 finals Boston/GS - looney & Robert Williams
2020 finals Lakers - D.Howard/McGee

And why are we paying KM the max in your scenario
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#266 » by Yeezus_ » Thu May 1, 2025 3:41 am

Jcity08 wrote:
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With their 1.8% odds, if they win, it will just be more evidence that the lottery is rigged.

League cannot reward them for their own **** up. Ill be so pissed if they do.

Lol what kind of logic is this? How does that prove the lottery is rigged? A 1.8% chance is still possible but unlikely. It doesn’t make it impossible…

The rigged part is explained in my 2nd sentence, the odds that the Mavs get first overall pick in the same season they traded their generation player to the Lakers is tooooooooooo much of a coincidence for my liking. The odds a team can rebound like that is astronomically low especially with odds as abysmal as that.

Believe what you want, but for me thats too much to swallow.
Just so you know, there is a representative from all 30 teams in the lottery room when they pick the balls for the draft order, along with Ernst & Young representatives for oversight. I guess all 30 teams are in on the rigging.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#267 » by Indeed » Thu May 1, 2025 3:46 am

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Indeed wrote:
Dalek wrote:
I think you might be boxing yourself to "drafting a 7 foot with starter potential," too much. Why do we have to get that type of player in this draft and why do we burn a high pick on a less than certain outcome?

It's guaranteed that one of the mock draft guys like Joan Beringer or Thomas Sorber or Alex Condon or fall to the second round. These guys all have pretty impressive upside. Maybe not KM's 7'2 size, but they bring a lot of good feel for the game and switchability which KM lacks.

Then you have Ryan Kalkbrenner and Vlad Goldin who can play NBA minutes now and might have more outside shooting potential.

Straight rim runners to watch out for on 2 way deals:
Oumar Ballo Indiana (good defender, better rebounder and can pass a bit)
Moussa Cisse, Memphis (much higher blk% than Maluach but terrible freethrow shooter)
Felix Okpara, Tennessee (monster defender, very limited offense)

I personally prefer just drafting a stretch big with the second pick to help with spacing on the second unit. Ideally, Markovic or Maxime Raynaud.


And you can only have one rim runners for each team on average, with some teams opt for highly skill centre.

Furthermore, there is no championship team with a max contract rim running C for the last 20 years, and perhaps only once or twice teams with a rim running C made it to the championship game for the last 20 years.


Good thing Jakob and KM would be two different type of players

2024 finals Mavs - Lively/Gafford
2022 finals Boston/GS - looney & Robert Williams
2020 finals Lakers - D.Howard/McGee

And why are we paying KM the max in your scenario


Waiting for people to tell me the chance of getting a near-max player at pick #7 with Maluach.
And the list of rim running C for those championship runs do not seem to cost that much, do we need to draft them at pick #7?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#268 » by Jcity08 » Thu May 1, 2025 4:02 am

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Yeezus_ wrote:Lol what kind of logic is this? How does that prove the lottery is rigged? A 1.8% chance is still possible but unlikely. It doesn’t make it impossible…

The rigged part is explained in my 2nd sentence, the odds that the Mavs get first overall pick in the same season they traded their generation player to the Lakers is tooooooooooo much of a coincidence for my liking. The odds a team can rebound like that is astronomically low especially with odds as abysmal as that.

Believe what you want, but for me thats too much to swallow.


I'll do this again:

- If the Jazz win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because something about Utah and white people.
- If the Wizards win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because the NBA wants to help out a sad sack franchise with no hope in a largish market.
- If the Hornets win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because the NBA wants to reward the new owners who paid billions for a perennial loser in a bad market.
- If the 76ers win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because they want to get Flagg into the playoffs right away on a veteran Sixers team that needs a PF.
- If the Nets win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because they are in the biggest market in the league and they want the exposure for Flagg.
- If the Spurs win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because the NBA wants to create a dynasty team with Wemby and Flagg that will bring in both U.S. and international viewers.

There is a reason the NBA would want to fix the draft to send Cooper Flagg to just about any of the teams with the highest chance to get him, the only way they can prove it's not rigged is to send him here, to Toronto, because the NBA would never want the next big white American born NBA star to be trapped in another country that is at odds with the U.S. right now for the first half of his career, would they? Wait a minute...

- If the Raptors win the NBA Draft, it's rigged because the NBA wants to make it look like the NBA draft isn't rigged.


You're not convincing me that the Mavs should they get the 1st overall pick with the 4th worst odds in the lottery at less than 2% odds & acquire Flagg the same season they trade away Luka **** Doncic is believable without someone like Adam Silver having a hand in it. Maybe you can buy that, but I sure as hell wont.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#269 » by Jcity08 » Thu May 1, 2025 4:08 am

Yeezus_ wrote:
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Yeezus_ wrote:Lol what kind of logic is this? How does that prove the lottery is rigged? A 1.8% chance is still possible but unlikely. It doesn’t make it impossible…

The rigged part is explained in my 2nd sentence, the odds that the Mavs get first overall pick in the same season they traded their generation player to the Lakers is tooooooooooo much of a coincidence for my liking. The odds a team can rebound like that is astronomically low especially with odds as abysmal as that.

Believe what you want, but for me thats too much to swallow.
Just so you know, there is a representative from all 30 teams in the lottery room when they pick the balls for the draft order, along with Ernst & Young representatives for oversight. I guess all 30 teams are in on the rigging.


Just so you know, I don't care how they operate the lottery, if an outcome that defys normal reasoning occurs, my response will be something beyond normal reasoning is the likely cause.
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Post#270 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu May 1, 2025 4:37 am

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Post#271 » by DonDoolie » Thu May 1, 2025 7:36 am

I ain't gona lie Maluach looks like a disaster waiting to happen.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#272 » by FOB » Thu May 1, 2025 9:12 am

Jcity08 wrote:
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Jcity08 wrote:The rigged part is explained in my 2nd sentence, the odds that the Mavs get first overall pick in the same season they traded their generation player to the Lakers is tooooooooooo much of a coincidence for my liking. The odds a team can rebound like that is astronomically low especially with odds as abysmal as that.

Believe what you want, but for me thats too much to swallow.
Just so you know, there is a representative from all 30 teams in the lottery room when they pick the balls for the draft order, along with Ernst & Young representatives for oversight. I guess all 30 teams are in on the rigging.


Just so you know, I don't care how they operate the lottery, if an outcome that defys normal reasoning occurs, my response will be something beyond normal reasoning is the likely cause.


Dude, you can't be serious?! Something with 1.8% probability "defies normal reasoning"? Wtf do you think about car crashes, are those also all orchestrated? Or plane crashes? The odds are 0.000001% - someone HAS to be behind that, right?? What about someone getting struck by lightning?!

1.8% are 1.8%, and events with that probability happen all the time. That you can come up with a conspiracy doesn't change that at all, and the Luka trade doesn't either. I really hope for your own sake that you don't use that reasoning anywhere else in your life because boy will you believe some weird s**t if you do.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#273 » by Jcity08 » Thu May 1, 2025 9:21 am

FOB wrote:
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Yeezus_ wrote:Just so you know, there is a representative from all 30 teams in the lottery room when they pick the balls for the draft order, along with Ernst & Young representatives for oversight. I guess all 30 teams are in on the rigging.


Just so you know, I don't care how they operate the lottery, if an outcome that defys normal reasoning occurs, my response will be something beyond normal reasoning is the likely cause.


Dude, you can't be serious?! Something with 1.8% probability "defies normal reasoning"? Wtf do you think about car crashes, are those also all orchestrated? Or plane crashes? The odds are 0.000001% - someone HAS to be behind that, right?? What about someone getting struck by lightning?!

1.8% are 1.8%, and events with that probability happen all the time. That you can come up with a conspiracy doesn't change that at all, and the Luka trade doesn't either. I really hope for your own sake that you don't use that reasoning anywhere else in your life because boy will you believe some weird s**t if you do.


No my skepticism with the NBA whose had its fair share of scandals and is in bed with gambling vendors has nothing to do with my opinions in other areas of my life. Lets end the implications being made of my personal life right here and now, NBA isn't personal for me, its strictly entertainment.
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Post#274 » by Brinbe » Thu May 1, 2025 11:32 am

After watching these playoffs, it only strengthens my resolve on drafting guys that you can potentially trust on the defensive end in those big moments. Shooting/scoring will come and go but defensive consistency (in addition to scoring) is something that works across any era of basketball.
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Post#275 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu May 1, 2025 11:48 am

Brinbe wrote:After watching these playoffs, it only strengthens my resolve on drafting guys that you can potentially trust on the defensive end in those big moments. Shooting/scoring will come and go but defensive consistency (in addition to scoring) is something that works across any era of basketball.

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Post#276 » by Indeed » Thu May 1, 2025 11:50 am

Brinbe wrote:After watching these playoffs, it only strengthens my resolve on drafting guys that you can potentially trust on the defensive end in those big moments. Shooting/scoring will come and go but defensive consistency (in addition to scoring) is something that works across any era of basketball.


We didnt make to the playoffs with multiple non shooting defensive players. You need talent that fits together, single dimension players wont be enough for sure.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#277 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu May 1, 2025 1:07 pm

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1. Washington Wizards

Cooper Flagg | 6-9 forward | 18 years old | Duke

Flagg will go No. 1 regardless of who gets the pick. He was the national player of the year in college basketball this season at just 18 years old after reclassifying into the 2024 recruiting class. He posted ridiculous numbers, averaging 19.2 points, 7.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists, 1.4 steals and 1.4 blocks per game, but it got even better after January. In his final 25 games, including the Georgia Tech game in which he rolled an ankle after 15 minutes in the ACC tournament, Flagg posted 20.5 points, seven rebounds and 4.6 assists on 51.1 percent shooting from the field, 45.1 percent from 3 and 88 percent from the line. Duke went 23-2 in that run before falling in the Final Four to Houston in staggering fashion (despite Flagg’s 27, seven and four with two steals and three blocks in that game).
Flagg isn’t quite at the Victor Wembanyama level of prospect over the last 20 years, but he belongs in the Anthony Davis tier. Barring injury, he’s about as can’t-miss as it gets because of his skill level, athleticism, shot-creation ability and mentality. Flagg is about as competitive as you’ll find on the court and will bring a serious degree of work ethic into whatever situation he arrives. He wants to be great. There’s no red flag in terms of entitlement here. He’s all about winning and will immediately become the centerpiece of whatever organization drafts him.
2. Utah Jazz

Dylan Harper | 6-6 guard | 19 years old | Rutgers

Harper is exceptionally likely to be the No. 2 pick. It would take a real surprise for someone to unseat him from this spot. His 19.4 points, 4.6 rebounds and four assists per game while shooting 48 percent from the field as a freshman guard put him in rarefied air, as few players have gotten all that close to such marks in their first year. He also creates rim pressure at an elite level, with the ability to get into the paint and finish at the basket at a serious clip with his impressive array of gathers and touch finishes at 6-6 as a lead guard.
The biggest question for Harper remains his pull-up game as a shooter, as he only hit 29.2 percent of his pull-up 3s. I watched Harper work out recently, and it’s clear that working as a scorer in ball screens, re-screens and dribble handoffs is a real emphasis for his pre-draft process. He shot the ball well in the workout that I saw. I felt like the ball would sometimes flatten out on him this season at Rutgers, but he’s starting to work on getting more consistent arc on the shot off pull-ups. Between that, his physical frame being NBA-ready and his intel all coming back very positively even in the face of a tough season at Rutgers, Harper is very well-positioned, and this would be a massive get for a Utah team that needs a backcourt of the future. Keyonte George looks like a backup long-term because of his inefficiency and defense, and while Isaiah Collier had an excellent season passing the ball, he still doesn’t have a great way to score effectively.
3. Portland Trail Blazers

Tre Johnson | 6-6 wing | 19 years old | Texas

Johnson was the most impressive player I saw working out during my trip to the U.S. He had one of the best shooting workouts I’ve ever seen from a teenage player, showcasing a serious-minded intentionality about how he goes about his craft. He displayed the ability to hit shots off movement at a high level, something that he rarely got the chance to do in an offensive scheme at Texas that could be charitably described as anachronistic but fairly described as hideously archaic. Even within that scheme, Johnson found his way into 19.9 points per game, even if he struggled a bit once he had to foray into the lane because of the team’s lack of spacing and his own still-improving overall strength level.
The Blazers, in my opinion, have a tremendous frontcourt of the future with Deni Avdija, Toumani Camara and Donovan Clingan. However, there are questions in the backcourt surrounding young players Shaedon Sharpe and Scoot Henderson, and they could use another real floor-spacer to knock down shots and threaten defenders. I see Johnson’s range as somewhere in the No. 3 to No. 8 area. I’d be surprised if he got outside of that area of the draft. This is just too good a fit to pass up.
4. New Orleans Pelicans

V.J. Edgecombe | 6-3 guard | 19 years old | Baylor

The Pelicans have already made substantive changes to their organization, firing David Griffin and hiring Joe Dumars to run basketball operations. The word out of New Orleans is simply not to expect the roster to look the same as it did this year. Edgecombe ticks a lot of boxes here, though.
Following the Dejounte Murray injury and with CJ McCollum only having one year left on his deal, they have a real need for a backcourt player of the future. Edgecombe had an excellent freshman season, averaging 15 points, nearly six rebounds, three assists and two steals. The Bahamian national team member has a case as the best athlete in the draft class, with all sorts of bounce and explosiveness.
The questions for him revolve around his ability to consistently play on the ball. However, with Trey Murphy III stepping into a bigger role there, the potential for Zion Williamson to be back and whatever happens with the Murray/McCollum duo, there should be enough bodies to let Edgecombe grow organically into a positive role and more slowly develop his on-ball game.

Ace Bailey could go as high as No. 3. (Trevor Ruszkowski / Imagn Images)
5. Charlotte Hornets

Ace Bailey | 6-10 wing/forward | 18 years old | Rutgers

Bailey drops a bit here, but don’t get it twisted: His range still starts at No. 3. I think that it extends a bit further down, though. He remains quite polarizing and has seemed to have borne the brunt of the blame from NBA personnel for Rutgers’ poor season. Yes, he averaged 17.6 points and seven rebounds while shooting 46 percent from the field and 34 percent from 3. But his style of play did not seem wildly conducive to winning basketball. He settles for a lot of long jumpers because he struggles to get all the way to the rim (he has a high handle and high center of gravity that gets knocked off its line a bit too easily). Defensively, he wasn’t always particularly engaged in help situations unless he saw an opportunity to go get the basketball.
And yet, it’s worth noting that Rutgers was a catastrophe when he wasn’t on the court. Even in Big Ten play, they lost Bailey’s minutes by only three points per 100 possessions. When he was off the court, they lost those minutes by 23 points per 100, per CBB Analytics. His presence was clearly helpful, and I think that’s what tracks most for me. Bailey is enormous, he’s long, he is a real shooter and he showed some defensive moments that were very positive in switch situations. I can’t really get him outside of the top five, and I think it would be very reasonable to take him at No. 3. It’s just that both Portland and New Orleans in this exercise at No. 3 and No. 4 are loaded with big wings right now.
6. Philadelphia 76ers

Kon Knueppel | 6-7 guard | 19 years old | Duke

The Sixers have a massive lottery night ahead. If they fall outside of the top six, they lose their draft pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Given the lottery odds, they have about a 64 percent chance of keeping the pick. Even if they don’t end up moving into the top three or so while keeping the pick, I would expect them to look into scenarios that involve moving the selection. Their backcourt is fairly loaded with Tyrese Maxey, Quentin Grimes and last year’s pick, Jared McCain. They certainly could use a bigger wing, but unless Bailey falls, that might be a stretch at this slot. There could be a consideration to get a big to backup Joel Embiid, but my read is that Daryl Morey would see that as a bad way to maximize the current core of players that he worked hard to assemble last fall.
So we’ll go with Knueppel, a bigger shooter who is competitive and tough. He has a case as the best shooter in the class along with Johnson, and his overall game was more impactful this season. They’re right next to each other on my personal board. His presence would help the Sixers with different lineup constructions, although some executives worry about what exactly Knueppel’s upside is because of some perceived athletic limitations.
7. Brooklyn Nets

Kasparas Jakučionis | 6-5 guard | 19 years old | Illinois

The Nets would probably not be particularly pleased to land at No. 7. They have a roster loaded with holes, but the good news is that they seem to have found an excellent coach long-term to build around in Jordi Fernandez. Jakučionis here would make sense, as the team doesn’t really have a primary ballhandler for the long haul on its books. Jakučionis is big and can play both on and off the ball, coming off a terrific freshman season in which he averaged 15 points, six rebounds and five assists. His vision is sublime, and he fits the current ecosystem of the NBA well with his dribble, pass and shoot traits. Still, he is a bit polarizing for folks around the league as he doesn’t have a ton of athletic explosiveness, and his defensive game was not always on point this year. His range is seen as somewhere in this ballpark down to around the end of the lottery.
8. Toronto Raptors

Derik Queen | 6-10 big | 20 years old |Maryland

With Jakob Poeltl potentially hitting free agency next year, the Raptors could use a long-term answer at center. Many people have connected Duke center Khaman Maluach here because of his time at the NBA Academy in Africa and Masai Ujiri’s efforts to promote basketball within the region, but I think Queen fits them better from a basketball perspective. Coach Darko Rajaković has tended to want players who can dribble, pass and shoot as well as make decisions. Queen has many of those skills and averaged nearly 17 points, nine rebounds and two assists as a freshman at Maryland. He’s been exceptionally productive at every stage of his career to this point, and he has real offensive talent that should lead to him putting up real numbers in the NBA.
9. San Antonio Spurs

Carter Bryant | 6-8 wing | 19 years old | Arizona

The Spurs have a few needs, including shooting and wing defense. Devin Vassell and Keldon Johnson have never really developed defensively, and Harrison Barnes turns 33 next month. Stephon Castle is one player they should trust, but they could use a real 3-and-D wing to put next to Castle, De’Aaron Fox and Victor Wembanyama. Bryant profiles perfectly there as a long-term replacement for Barnes. The 6-8 wing didn’t start many games this year at Arizona, but he was a monster defensive player when he was on the court, showcasing serious playmaking chops as well as great on-ball play. He also knocks down a solid percentage of his 3s. Bryant is the guy in this class who seems to have a ton of juice when you talk to front offices, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him land in the top 10 when it’s all said and done. I think I’d park his range in the No. 7 to No. 16 area.
10. Houston Rockets (via PHX)

Collin Murray-Boyles | 6-8 wing/forward | 20 years old | South Carolina

The Rockets are loaded across each position. They have a veteran point guard in Fred VanVleet and drafted their point guard of the future in Reed Sheppard at No. 3 last year; the organization is still extremely high on Sheppard despite his lack of playing time this year. They have their center of the future in Alperen Şengün. I think they will just take the best player available in the lottery, and at this spot, that’s Murray-Boyles for me. He’s a tremendous defender and would fit in perfectly with how Ime Udoka wants to play. He also passes well and has serious toughness to play with many of their players. He processes the game at an elite level and is the kind of prospect the Rockets have valued in the past.
11. Dallas Mavericks

Jeremiah Fears | 6-4 guard | 18 years old | Oklahoma

This would be an interesting get for a Mavericks team that will desperately need shot creation if it is going to keep contending with this core. The Kyrie Irving injury has made the Mavs’ life much harder, on top of his potentially being a free agent this summer. If they can’t retain him, there’s a real case that they should then move Anthony Davis and enter an extended rebuild, but there are no signs that we’re headed toward such a situation. Fears is a playmaking guard who can get paint touches with his quickness and handle. However, he struggles to shoot the ball right now and isn’t a great finisher, and his defense needs a lot of work. He’s more of a project than a ready-made player. However, the ability to separate is there if he can improve the skill set.
12. Chicago Bulls

Khaman Maluach | 7-2 big | 19 years old | Duke

The Bulls desperately need to find answers on the defensive end, especially if they’re going to go all-in on the Josh Giddey and Coby White backcourt this summer when Giddey hits restricted free agency. Maluach would give Giddey a potential rim-runner and the rest of the team a real defensive anchor on the interior. Maluach isn’t a monster shot-blocker, but he understands how big he is and is excellent at using his size to cut off angles and contest on the interior. Offensively, there are more questions, largely about his hands and overall feel for the game. He got to basketball a bit late and is still working on how to see the floor around him. He also doesn’t always seem to come down with contested rebounds, as was starkly seen in Duke’s Final Four game against Houston, when he played 20 minutes and had zero rebounds. Still, someone will take the bet on a player who’s 7-2 with long arms and real movement skills.
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Post#278 » by Psubs » Thu May 1, 2025 1:25 pm

Brinbe wrote:After watching these playoffs, it only strengthens my resolve on drafting guys that you can potentially trust on the defensive end in those big moments. Shooting/scoring will come and go but defensive consistency (in addition to scoring) is something that works across any era of basketball.


After watching the Lakers get out-rebounded by 20, I want the Raptors to get bigger, so definitely cashing in on Ochai Agbaji for as best a 1st pick they can get to draft bigs that can already shoot like Fleming and Condon.
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Post#279 » by Psubs » Thu May 1, 2025 1:27 pm

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1. Washington Wizards

Cooper Flagg | 6-9 forward | 18 years old | Duke

Flagg will go No. 1 regardless of who gets the pick. He was the national player of the year in college basketball this season at just 18 years old after reclassifying into the 2024 recruiting class. He posted ridiculous numbers, averaging 19.2 points, 7.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists, 1.4 steals and 1.4 blocks per game, but it got even better after January. In his final 25 games, including the Georgia Tech game in which he rolled an ankle after 15 minutes in the ACC tournament, Flagg posted 20.5 points, seven rebounds and 4.6 assists on 51.1 percent shooting from the field, 45.1 percent from 3 and 88 percent from the line. Duke went 23-2 in that run before falling in the Final Four to Houston in staggering fashion (despite Flagg’s 27, seven and four with two steals and three blocks in that game).
Flagg isn’t quite at the Victor Wembanyama level of prospect over the last 20 years, but he belongs in the Anthony Davis tier. Barring injury, he’s about as can’t-miss as it gets because of his skill level, athleticism, shot-creation ability and mentality. Flagg is about as competitive as you’ll find on the court and will bring a serious degree of work ethic into whatever situation he arrives. He wants to be great. There’s no red flag in terms of entitlement here. He’s all about winning and will immediately become the centerpiece of whatever organization drafts him.
2. Utah Jazz

Dylan Harper | 6-6 guard | 19 years old | Rutgers

Harper is exceptionally likely to be the No. 2 pick. It would take a real surprise for someone to unseat him from this spot. His 19.4 points, 4.6 rebounds and four assists per game while shooting 48 percent from the field as a freshman guard put him in rarefied air, as few players have gotten all that close to such marks in their first year. He also creates rim pressure at an elite level, with the ability to get into the paint and finish at the basket at a serious clip with his impressive array of gathers and touch finishes at 6-6 as a lead guard.
The biggest question for Harper remains his pull-up game as a shooter, as he only hit 29.2 percent of his pull-up 3s. I watched Harper work out recently, and it’s clear that working as a scorer in ball screens, re-screens and dribble handoffs is a real emphasis for his pre-draft process. He shot the ball well in the workout that I saw. I felt like the ball would sometimes flatten out on him this season at Rutgers, but he’s starting to work on getting more consistent arc on the shot off pull-ups. Between that, his physical frame being NBA-ready and his intel all coming back very positively even in the face of a tough season at Rutgers, Harper is very well-positioned, and this would be a massive get for a Utah team that needs a backcourt of the future. Keyonte George looks like a backup long-term because of his inefficiency and defense, and while Isaiah Collier had an excellent season passing the ball, he still doesn’t have a great way to score effectively.
3. Portland Trail Blazers

Tre Johnson | 6-6 wing | 19 years old | Texas

Johnson was the most impressive player I saw working out during my trip to the U.S. He had one of the best shooting workouts I’ve ever seen from a teenage player, showcasing a serious-minded intentionality about how he goes about his craft. He displayed the ability to hit shots off movement at a high level, something that he rarely got the chance to do in an offensive scheme at Texas that could be charitably described as anachronistic but fairly described as hideously archaic. Even within that scheme, Johnson found his way into 19.9 points per game, even if he struggled a bit once he had to foray into the lane because of the team’s lack of spacing and his own still-improving overall strength level.
The Blazers, in my opinion, have a tremendous frontcourt of the future with Deni Avdija, Toumani Camara and Donovan Clingan. However, there are questions in the backcourt surrounding young players Shaedon Sharpe and Scoot Henderson, and they could use another real floor-spacer to knock down shots and threaten defenders. I see Johnson’s range as somewhere in the No. 3 to No. 8 area. I’d be surprised if he got outside of that area of the draft. This is just too good a fit to pass up.
4. New Orleans Pelicans

V.J. Edgecombe | 6-3 guard | 19 years old | Baylor

The Pelicans have already made substantive changes to their organization, firing David Griffin and hiring Joe Dumars to run basketball operations. The word out of New Orleans is simply not to expect the roster to look the same as it did this year. Edgecombe ticks a lot of boxes here, though.
Following the Dejounte Murray injury and with CJ McCollum only having one year left on his deal, they have a real need for a backcourt player of the future. Edgecombe had an excellent freshman season, averaging 15 points, nearly six rebounds, three assists and two steals. The Bahamian national team member has a case as the best athlete in the draft class, with all sorts of bounce and explosiveness.
The questions for him revolve around his ability to consistently play on the ball. However, with Trey Murphy III stepping into a bigger role there, the potential for Zion Williamson to be back and whatever happens with the Murray/McCollum duo, there should be enough bodies to let Edgecombe grow organically into a positive role and more slowly develop his on-ball game.

Ace Bailey could go as high as No. 3. (Trevor Ruszkowski / Imagn Images)
5. Charlotte Hornets

Ace Bailey | 6-10 wing/forward | 18 years old | Rutgers

Bailey drops a bit here, but don’t get it twisted: His range still starts at No. 3. I think that it extends a bit further down, though. He remains quite polarizing and has seemed to have borne the brunt of the blame from NBA personnel for Rutgers’ poor season. Yes, he averaged 17.6 points and seven rebounds while shooting 46 percent from the field and 34 percent from 3. But his style of play did not seem wildly conducive to winning basketball. He settles for a lot of long jumpers because he struggles to get all the way to the rim (he has a high handle and high center of gravity that gets knocked off its line a bit too easily). Defensively, he wasn’t always particularly engaged in help situations unless he saw an opportunity to go get the basketball.
And yet, it’s worth noting that Rutgers was a catastrophe when he wasn’t on the court. Even in Big Ten play, they lost Bailey’s minutes by only three points per 100 possessions. When he was off the court, they lost those minutes by 23 points per 100, per CBB Analytics. His presence was clearly helpful, and I think that’s what tracks most for me. Bailey is enormous, he’s long, he is a real shooter and he showed some defensive moments that were very positive in switch situations. I can’t really get him outside of the top five, and I think it would be very reasonable to take him at No. 3. It’s just that both Portland and New Orleans in this exercise at No. 3 and No. 4 are loaded with big wings right now.
6. Philadelphia 76ers

Kon Knueppel | 6-7 guard | 19 years old | Duke

The Sixers have a massive lottery night ahead. If they fall outside of the top six, they lose their draft pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Given the lottery odds, they have about a 64 percent chance of keeping the pick. Even if they don’t end up moving into the top three or so while keeping the pick, I would expect them to look into scenarios that involve moving the selection. Their backcourt is fairly loaded with Tyrese Maxey, Quentin Grimes and last year’s pick, Jared McCain. They certainly could use a bigger wing, but unless Bailey falls, that might be a stretch at this slot. There could be a consideration to get a big to backup Joel Embiid, but my read is that Daryl Morey would see that as a bad way to maximize the current core of players that he worked hard to assemble last fall.
So we’ll go with Knueppel, a bigger shooter who is competitive and tough. He has a case as the best shooter in the class along with Johnson, and his overall game was more impactful this season. They’re right next to each other on my personal board. His presence would help the Sixers with different lineup constructions, although some executives worry about what exactly Knueppel’s upside is because of some perceived athletic limitations.
7. Brooklyn Nets

Kasparas Jakučionis | 6-5 guard | 19 years old | Illinois

The Nets would probably not be particularly pleased to land at No. 7. They have a roster loaded with holes, but the good news is that they seem to have found an excellent coach long-term to build around in Jordi Fernandez. Jakučionis here would make sense, as the team doesn’t really have a primary ballhandler for the long haul on its books. Jakučionis is big and can play both on and off the ball, coming off a terrific freshman season in which he averaged 15 points, six rebounds and five assists. His vision is sublime, and he fits the current ecosystem of the NBA well with his dribble, pass and shoot traits. Still, he is a bit polarizing for folks around the league as he doesn’t have a ton of athletic explosiveness, and his defensive game was not always on point this year. His range is seen as somewhere in this ballpark down to around the end of the lottery.
8. Toronto Raptors

Derik Queen | 6-10 big | 20 years old |Maryland

With Jakob Poeltl potentially hitting free agency next year, the Raptors could use a long-term answer at center. Many people have connected Duke center Khaman Maluach here because of his time at the NBA Academy in Africa and Masai Ujiri’s efforts to promote basketball within the region, but I think Queen fits them better from a basketball perspective. Coach Darko Rajaković has tended to want players who can dribble, pass and shoot as well as make decisions. Queen has many of those skills and averaged nearly 17 points, nine rebounds and two assists as a freshman at Maryland. He’s been exceptionally productive at every stage of his career to this point, and he has real offensive talent that should lead to him putting up real numbers in the NBA.
9. San Antonio Spurs

Carter Bryant | 6-8 wing | 19 years old | Arizona

The Spurs have a few needs, including shooting and wing defense. Devin Vassell and Keldon Johnson have never really developed defensively, and Harrison Barnes turns 33 next month. Stephon Castle is one player they should trust, but they could use a real 3-and-D wing to put next to Castle, De’Aaron Fox and Victor Wembanyama. Bryant profiles perfectly there as a long-term replacement for Barnes. The 6-8 wing didn’t start many games this year at Arizona, but he was a monster defensive player when he was on the court, showcasing serious playmaking chops as well as great on-ball play. He also knocks down a solid percentage of his 3s. Bryant is the guy in this class who seems to have a ton of juice when you talk to front offices, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him land in the top 10 when it’s all said and done. I think I’d park his range in the No. 7 to No. 16 area.
10. Houston Rockets (via PHX)

Collin Murray-Boyles | 6-8 wing/forward | 20 years old | South Carolina

The Rockets are loaded across each position. They have a veteran point guard in Fred VanVleet and drafted their point guard of the future in Reed Sheppard at No. 3 last year; the organization is still extremely high on Sheppard despite his lack of playing time this year. They have their center of the future in Alperen Şengün. I think they will just take the best player available in the lottery, and at this spot, that’s Murray-Boyles for me. He’s a tremendous defender and would fit in perfectly with how Ime Udoka wants to play. He also passes well and has serious toughness to play with many of their players. He processes the game at an elite level and is the kind of prospect the Rockets have valued in the past.
11. Dallas Mavericks

Jeremiah Fears | 6-4 guard | 18 years old | Oklahoma

This would be an interesting get for a Mavericks team that will desperately need shot creation if it is going to keep contending with this core. The Kyrie Irving injury has made the Mavs’ life much harder, on top of his potentially being a free agent this summer. If they can’t retain him, there’s a real case that they should then move Anthony Davis and enter an extended rebuild, but there are no signs that we’re headed toward such a situation. Fears is a playmaking guard who can get paint touches with his quickness and handle. However, he struggles to shoot the ball right now and isn’t a great finisher, and his defense needs a lot of work. He’s more of a project than a ready-made player. However, the ability to separate is there if he can improve the skill set.
12. Chicago Bulls

Khaman Maluach | 7-2 big | 19 years old | Duke

The Bulls desperately need to find answers on the defensive end, especially if they’re going to go all-in on the Josh Giddey and Coby White backcourt this summer when Giddey hits restricted free agency. Maluach would give Giddey a potential rim-runner and the rest of the team a real defensive anchor on the interior. Maluach isn’t a monster shot-blocker, but he understands how big he is and is excellent at using his size to cut off angles and contest on the interior. Offensively, there are more questions, largely about his hands and overall feel for the game. He got to basketball a bit late and is still working on how to see the floor around him. He also doesn’t always seem to come down with contested rebounds, as was starkly seen in Duke’s Final Four game against Houston, when he played 20 minutes and had zero rebounds. Still, someone will take the bet on a player who’s 7-2 with long arms and real movement skills.


I don't think Jak's A/T provides much more than Ja'Kobe in other aspects of guard play.

Carter Bryant could fill the wing defender gap of OG.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#280 » by Duffman100 » Thu May 1, 2025 1:39 pm

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Brinbe wrote:After watching these playoffs, it only strengthens my resolve on drafting guys that you can potentially trust on the defensive end in those big moments. Shooting/scoring will come and go but defensive consistency (in addition to scoring) is something that works across any era of basketball.


After watching the Lakers get out-rebounded by 20, I want the Raptors to get bigger, so definitely cashing in on Ochai Agbaji for as best a 1st pick they can get to draft bigs that can already shoot like Fleming and Condon.


Yeah we've definitely felt the impact of size on our roster. I would love to add another 6'8-7'2 player with talent.

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