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[PushDaRock]

So apparently Koloko getting cut...

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Really needs to fire his agent. We had a clear need and opportunity here at the C position and had already invested in him as a player. Made no sense to go to the Lakers who are always in Win Now Mode with LeBron. He just missed an entire year and needed the reps for development. But, it's also telling that he couldn't beat out the scrubs they had playing C there for mins last season.

[Clutch0z24]

Right now, Queen is just putting up numbers on below average efficiency on a 2-15 team. Gonna need to see a lot more to say he's on a star trajectory. He's been mostly as expected so far, actually a bit better defensively than expected surprisingly.

Missi sucks right now as a player for a team trying to win.

Lol you were horribly wrong about Queen on the pre draft boards and Queen is playing just like the ones who liked him (Me) Thought he would in the NBA....You can't admit you were wrong about him so you are doubling down moving the goal post on why Queen is not a good player....Well you are just flat out wrong on that take.

Jokic and Duncan praised Queen and said he is highly skilled and will be a great player and one of the great bigs in the league....2 HOF all time big men , 1 who just had to play him in Jokic and Jokic had battles with some of the greats....But a guy named PushDaRock on realgm says Queen is not good so it must be true ....

lmao who cares if I end up wrong about him? I change my opinion on players all the time when new evidence/data pops up that makes it logical to do so. But, it's not like he's averaging 20 and 10 on 60 TS%+ and really shutting me up. Not that this should be the expectation either for a rookie.

In his current role, he's doing about as expected maybe slightly exceeding expectations because most rookies really suck and he's decent right now. Point is he's on a 2-15 team and they're giving him the ball a lot, it's not that surprising he's producing ok. Even Gradey was putting up numbers when we force fed him mins last year. The same concerns exist though, can he be efficient in that offensive hub role on a good team because he likely won't be a plus defender and will he develop a consistent 3 with that broken form?

There's some positives so far like his on/off splits being great and his D, passing being a bit better than anticipated and he looks to have slimmed down some which has helped his mobility. The playmaking could potentially offset some of the efficiency concerns one day, but it's still too early to say. He will have to fix the turnover issues for that to happen.

I mean every top draft pick or lotto bound player are on some pretty bad teams to start their NBA Careers....Thats pretty normal....Like i pointed out thats actually a positive in a way that he is producing on a bad team....That means teams game plan for you more and are able to focus on you because the team around you is bad....Even with that Queen is producing and looking good doing it. It should not be a knock on Queen because he is not the first rookie to look good on a bad team and won't be the last either...Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving (Before LeBron), Wemby And so on.

You also have to look at the tape and see how he is looking....Hes making moves you don't really see 6 foot 10 players make....I would argue put Queen on the Raptors team right now as the back up C and his impact would be huge for us....Would fit like a glove.

You were very wrong at one point you tried to tell me his NBA Vert score at an NBA combine would be the reason he will be a Bust in the NBA as if a NBA Combine vert score ever mattered in a 5 vs 5 NBA Basketball game....I tried to tell ya Skills > Combine measurements because skills are what keep you in the NBA for a long time because athletic ability goes away eventually.....Queen has an abundance of skills and thats why he is so successfull early on because he can do things others can't. I think you compared Queen to Luka Garza at one point...

[manjusaka]

So apparently Koloko getting cut...

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Really needs to fire his agent. We had a clear need and opportunity here at the C position and had already invested in him as a player. Made no sense to go to the Lakers who are always in Win Now Mode with LeBron. He just missed an entire year and needed the reps for development. But, it's also telling that he couldn't beat out the scrubs they had playing C there for mins last season.

He is a Klutch.

Too bad he had missed so much development time. Olivier Sarr has similar body type and age. We probably already moved on from Koloko.

[PushDaRock]

Lol you were horribly wrong about Queen on the pre draft boards and Queen is playing just like the ones who liked him (Me) Thought he would in the NBA....You can't admit you were wrong about him so you are doubling down moving the goal post on why Queen is not a good player....Well you are just flat out wrong on that take.

Jokic and Duncan praised Queen and said he is highly skilled and will be a great player and one of the great bigs in the league....2 HOF all time big men , 1 who just had to play him in Jokic and Jokic had battles with some of the greats....But a guy named PushDaRock on realgm says Queen is not good so it must be true ....

lmao who cares if I end up wrong about him? I change my opinion on players all the time when new evidence/data pops up that makes it logical to do so. But, it's not like he's averaging 20 and 10 on 60 TS%+ and really shutting me up. Not that this should be the expectation either for a rookie.

In his current role, he's doing about as expected maybe slightly exceeding expectations because most rookies really suck and he's decent right now. Point is he's on a 2-15 team and they're giving him the ball a lot, it's not that surprising he's producing ok. Even Gradey was putting up numbers when we force fed him mins last year. The same concerns exist though, can he be efficient in that offensive hub role on a good team because he likely won't be a plus defender and will he develop a consistent 3 with that broken form?

There's some positives so far like his on/off splits being great and his D, passing being a bit better than anticipated and he looks to have slimmed down some which has helped his mobility. The playmaking could potentially offset some of the efficiency concerns one day, but it's still too early to say. He will have to fix the turnover issues for that to happen.

I mean every top draft pick or lotto bound player are on some pretty bad teams to start their NBA Careers....Thats pretty normal....Like i pointed out thats actually a positive in a way that he is producing on a bad team....That means teams game plan for you more and are able to focus on you because the team around you is bad....Even with that Queen is producing and looking good doing it. It should not be a knock on Queen because he is not the first rookie to look good on a bad team and won't be the last either...Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving (Before LeBron), Wemby And so on.

You also have to look at the tape and see how he is looking....Hes making moves you don't really see 6 foot 10 players make....I would argue put Queen on the Raptors team right now as the back up C and his impact would be huge for us....Would fit like a glove.

You were very wrong at one point you tried to tell me his NBA Vert score at an NBA combine would be the reason he will be a Bust in the NBA as if a NBA Combine vert score ever mattered in a 5 vs 5 NBA Basketball game....I tried to tell ya Skills > Combine measurements because skills are what keep you in the NBA for a long time because athletic ability goes away eventually.....Queen has an abundance of skills and thats why he is so successfull early on because he can do things others can't.

lmao no he wouldn't. Mamu is way more effective than Queen would be for us.

It's not a knock against him, it's just the reality of being on a bad team.

I didn't say he would be a bust. I said he had bust potential and measuring out bottom tier like that was a massive concern.

[PushDaRock]

So apparently Koloko getting cut...

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Really needs to fire his agent. We had a clear need and opportunity here at the C position and had already invested in him as a player. Made no sense to go to the Lakers who are always in Win Now Mode with LeBron. He just missed an entire year and needed the reps for development. But, it's also telling that he couldn't beat out the scrubs they had playing C there for mins last season.

He is a Klutch.

Too bad he had missed so much development time. Olivier Sarr has similar body type and age. We probably already moved on from Koloko.

yeah the ship has sailed

[Clutch0z24]

lmao who cares if I end up wrong about him? I change my opinion on players all the time when new evidence/data pops up that makes it logical to do so. But, it's not like he's averaging 20 and 10 on 60 TS%+ and really shutting me up. Not that this should be the expectation either for a rookie.

In his current role, he's doing about as expected maybe slightly exceeding expectations because most rookies really suck and he's decent right now. Point is he's on a 2-15 team and they're giving him the ball a lot, it's not that surprising he's producing ok. Even Gradey was putting up numbers when we force fed him mins last year. The same concerns exist though, can he be efficient in that offensive hub role on a good team because he likely won't be a plus defender and will he develop a consistent 3 with that broken form?

There's some positives so far like his on/off splits being great and his D, passing being a bit better than anticipated and he looks to have slimmed down some which has helped his mobility. The playmaking could potentially offset some of the efficiency concerns one day, but it's still too early to say. He will have to fix the turnover issues for that to happen.

I mean every top draft pick or lotto bound player are on some pretty bad teams to start their NBA Careers....Thats pretty normal....Like i pointed out thats actually a positive in a way that he is producing on a bad team....That means teams game plan for you more and are able to focus on you because the team around you is bad....Even with that Queen is producing and looking good doing it. It should not be a knock on Queen because he is not the first rookie to look good on a bad team and won't be the last either...Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving (Before LeBron), Wemby And so on.

You also have to look at the tape and see how he is looking....Hes making moves you don't really see 6 foot 10 players make....I would argue put Queen on the Raptors team right now as the back up C and his impact would be huge for us....Would fit like a glove.

You were very wrong at one point you tried to tell me his NBA Vert score at an NBA combine would be the reason he will be a Bust in the NBA as if a NBA Combine vert score ever mattered in a 5 vs 5 NBA Basketball game....I tried to tell ya Skills > Combine measurements because skills are what keep you in the NBA for a long time because athletic ability goes away eventually.....Queen has an abundance of skills and thats why he is so successfull early on because he can do things others can't.

lmao no he wouldn't. Mamu is way more effective than Queen would be for us.

It's not a knock against him, it's just the reality of being on a bad team.

I didn't say he would be a bust. I said he had bust potential and measuring out bottom tier like that was a massive concern.

Go read your posts again you were one of the guys talking the most about how horrible Queen will be....You are just wrong its ok to take an L...

Bro Many of the NBA Greats were on bad teams to start their NBA Careers its a normal process in the NBA....How does being on a bad NBA team take away from on court skills or production of an individual player?....This sounds just as bad as your "He has bad combine vert so hes a bust take...

Are you saying Kon is a bad player because he is on the Hornets? Are you saying Wemby was a bad player when he was on a bad Spurs team for 3 years?, Are you saying Barnes is a bad player because he was on some bad Raptor teams?, Giannis was a bad player because he was on a bad team early in his career?...

I mean just sounds like you are moving the goal post to try and continue to discredit Queen...."Hes on a bad team thats why hes so good"....Its just another poor take from you...

Mamu and Queen both together on the team would look good....Just because Queen would be on the team does not mean Mamu would not play as well....How does Mamu come into this convo at all? Adding Queen to this current Raptor team would help us alot off the bench....I like CMB and liked him during the draft process but the one reason i was advocating for us not to draft him and get Queen instead was...Think Queen has better upside long term, And fits with our current roster better and can actually play beside Barnes....Where as CMB plays the same position as Barnes and can't really be on the court with Barnes due to size and rebounding disadvantage.....So CMB is basically glued to the Bench for us as long as Barnes is here....At least Queen one day could have taken over for Poetlt eventually....But meh hindsight i guess.

[PushDaRock]

I mean every top draft pick or lotto bound player are on some pretty bad teams to start their NBA Careers....Thats pretty normal....Like i pointed out thats actually a positive in a way that he is producing on a bad team....That means teams game plan for you more and are able to focus on you because the team around you is bad....Even with that Queen is producing and looking good doing it. It should not be a knock on Queen because he is not the first rookie to look good on a bad team and won't be the last either...Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving (Before LeBron), Wemby And so on.

You also have to look at the tape and see how he is looking....Hes making moves you don't really see 6 foot 10 players make....I would argue put Queen on the Raptors team right now as the back up C and his impact would be huge for us....Would fit like a glove.

You were very wrong at one point you tried to tell me his NBA Vert score at an NBA combine would be the reason he will be a Bust in the NBA as if a NBA Combine vert score ever mattered in a 5 vs 5 NBA Basketball game....I tried to tell ya Skills > Combine measurements because skills are what keep you in the NBA for a long time because athletic ability goes away eventually.....Queen has an abundance of skills and thats why he is so successfull early on because he can do things others can't.

lmao no he wouldn't. Mamu is way more effective than Queen would be for us.

It's not a knock against him, it's just the reality of being on a bad team.

I didn't say he would be a bust. I said he had bust potential and measuring out bottom tier like that was a massive concern.

Go read your posts again you were one of the guys talking the most about how horrible Queen will be....You are just wrong its ok to take an L...

Bro Many of the NBA Greats were on bad teams to start their NBA Careers its a normal process in the NBA....How does being on a bad NBA team take away from on court skills or production of an individual player?....This sounds just as bad as your "He has bad combine vert so hes a bust take...

Are you saying Kon is a bad player because he is on the Hornets? Are you saying Wemby was a bad player when he was on a bad Spurs team for 3 years?, Are you saying Barnes is a bad player because he was on some bad Raptor teams?, Giannis was a bad player because he was on a bad team early in his career?...

I mean just sounds like you are moving the goal post to try and continue to discredit Queen...."Hes on a bad team thats why hes so good"....Its just another poor take from you...

Mamu and Queen both together on the team would look good....Just because Queen would be on the team does not mean Mamu would not play as well....How does Mamu come into this convo at all? Adding Queen to this current Raptor team would help us alot off the bench....I like CMB and liked him during the draft process but the one reason i was advocating for us not to draft him and get Queen instead was...Think Queen has better upside long term, And fits with our current roster better and can actually play beside Barnes....Where as CMB plays the same position as Barnes and can't really be on the court with Barnes due to size and rebounding disadvantage.....So CMB is basically glued to the Bench for us as long as Barnes is here....At least Queen one day could have taken over for Poetlt eventually....But meh hindsight i guess.

Please go find posts where I called him a definitive bust.

lol where am I even discrediting him? Just because I'm not fully glazing him? I pointed out some positives but you seem to really dislike that I still have concerns about his game translating over that still exist?

lol what do you mean why does Mamu enter the convo? He's literally our Backup C, they play the same position.

[Clutch0z24]

lmao no he wouldn't. Mamu is way more effective than Queen would be for us.

It's not a knock against him, it's just the reality of being on a bad team.

I didn't say he would be a bust. I said he had bust potential and measuring out bottom tier like that was a massive concern.

Go read your posts again you were one of the guys talking the most about how horrible Queen will be....You are just wrong its ok to take an L...

Bro Many of the NBA Greats were on bad teams to start their NBA Careers its a normal process in the NBA....How does being on a bad NBA team take away from on court skills or production of an individual player?....This sounds just as bad as your "He has bad combine vert so hes a bust take...

Are you saying Kon is a bad player because he is on the Hornets? Are you saying Wemby was a bad player when he was on a bad Spurs team for 3 years?, Are you saying Barnes is a bad player because he was on some bad Raptor teams?, Giannis was a bad player because he was on a bad team early in his career?...

I mean just sounds like you are moving the goal post to try and continue to discredit Queen...."Hes on a bad team thats why hes so good"....Its just another poor take from you...

Mamu and Queen both together on the team would look good....Just because Queen would be on the team does not mean Mamu would not play as well....How does Mamu come into this convo at all? Adding Queen to this current Raptor team would help us alot off the bench....I like CMB and liked him during the draft process but the one reason i was advocating for us not to draft him and get Queen instead was...Think Queen has better upside long term, And fits with our current roster better and can actually play beside Barnes....Where as CMB plays the same position as Barnes and can't really be on the court with Barnes due to size and rebounding disadvantage.....So CMB is basically glued to the Bench for us as long as Barnes is here....At least Queen one day could have taken over for Poetlt eventually....But meh hindsight i guess.

Please go find posts where I called him a definitive bust.

lol where am I even discrediting him? Just because I'm not fully glazing him? I pointed out some positives but you seem to really dislike that I still have concerns about his game translating over that still exist?

lol what do you mean why does Mamu enter the convo? He's literally our Backup C, they play the same position.

Mamu and Queen could play on the court together for stretches Mamu is more of a stretch big not a traditional C....







This you saying Khaman has less bust potential than Queen ^



I mean you were just wrong on Queen its ok because not everyone is right on players pre draft....But to continue to double down on it and move the goal post when you were clearly wrong is kind of funny....Queen would fit like a glove on this current Raptors team and im sure fans would love him if he were on the team.

[PushDaRock]

Go read your posts again you were one of the guys talking the most about how horrible Queen will be....You are just wrong its ok to take an L...

Bro Many of the NBA Greats were on bad teams to start their NBA Careers its a normal process in the NBA....How does being on a bad NBA team take away from on court skills or production of an individual player?....This sounds just as bad as your "He has bad combine vert so hes a bust take...

Are you saying Kon is a bad player because he is on the Hornets? Are you saying Wemby was a bad player when he was on a bad Spurs team for 3 years?, Are you saying Barnes is a bad player because he was on some bad Raptor teams?, Giannis was a bad player because he was on a bad team early in his career?...

I mean just sounds like you are moving the goal post to try and continue to discredit Queen...."Hes on a bad team thats why hes so good"....Its just another poor take from you...

Mamu and Queen both together on the team would look good....Just because Queen would be on the team does not mean Mamu would not play as well....How does Mamu come into this convo at all? Adding Queen to this current Raptor team would help us alot off the bench....I like CMB and liked him during the draft process but the one reason i was advocating for us not to draft him and get Queen instead was...Think Queen has better upside long term, And fits with our current roster better and can actually play beside Barnes....Where as CMB plays the same position as Barnes and can't really be on the court with Barnes due to size and rebounding disadvantage.....So CMB is basically glued to the Bench for us as long as Barnes is here....At least Queen one day could have taken over for Poetlt eventually....But meh hindsight i guess.

Please go find posts where I called him a definitive bust.

lol where am I even discrediting him? Just because I'm not fully glazing him? I pointed out some positives but you seem to really dislike that I still have concerns about his game translating over that still exist?

lol what do you mean why does Mamu enter the convo? He's literally our Backup C, they play the same position.

Mamu and Queen could play on the court together for stretches Mamu is more of a stretch big not a traditional C....







This you saying Khaman has less bust potential than Queen ^



I mean you were just wrong on Queen its ok because not everyone is right on players pre draft....But to continue to double down on it and move the goal post when you were clearly wrong is kind of funny....Queen would fit like a glove on this current Raptors team and im sure fans would love him if he were on the team.

Again, where am I saying Queen is a definitive bust? I am pointing out concerns, some of which still exist. I literally said he can overcome them, but IMO he was a boom or bust guy. There really aren't too many Jokic/Sengun outlier types and the "smart" bet is usually that someone in that prototype doesn't make it. I still have efficiency concerns about him going forward and we'll see how that looks a couple years from now.

I was saying the Khaman player type is less likely to be a bust because length and rim protection is at a premium in the NBA. Khaman is 2 years younger than Queen and barely played, but sure go ahead and take your victory lap?

If I'm wrong on something, it's CMB's shooting. Pretty surprising they were able to were able to overhaul his form so quickly. Queen's 3 point shot still looks broken to me.

[Clutch0z24]

Please go find posts where I called him a definitive bust.

lol where am I even discrediting him? Just because I'm not fully glazing him? I pointed out some positives but you seem to really dislike that I still have concerns about his game translating over that still exist?

lol what do you mean why does Mamu enter the convo? He's literally our Backup C, they play the same position.

Mamu and Queen could play on the court together for stretches Mamu is more of a stretch big not a traditional C....







This you saying Khaman has less bust potential than Queen ^



I mean you were just wrong on Queen its ok because not everyone is right on players pre draft....But to continue to double down on it and move the goal post when you were clearly wrong is kind of funny....Queen would fit like a glove on this current Raptors team and im sure fans would love him if he were on the team.

Again, where am I saying Queen is a definitive bust? I am pointing out concerns, some of which still exist. I literally said he can overcome them, but IMO he was a boom or bust guy. There really aren't too many Jokic/Sengun outlier types and the "smart" bet is usually that someone in that prototype doesn't make it. I still have efficiency concerns about him going forward and we'll see how that looks a couple years from now.

I was saying the Khaman player type is less likely to be a bust because length and rim protection is at a premium in the NBA. Khaman is 2 years younger than Queen and barely played, but sure go ahead and take your victory lap?

If I'm wrong on something, it's CMB's shooting. Pretty surprising they were able to were able to overhaul his form so quickly. Queen's 3 point shot still looks broken to me.

I mean you said he will be Okafor & Sullinger....And said Luka Garza was as good as Queen....Clearly just a hater and that shows lol....

Khaman might have a good NBA Career but he has way more bust potential because he is less skilled than Queen and can't do as many things as Queen....But anyways i will end the convo here because its going no where and more people are impressed by Queen all around the internet/fan bases than they are saying hes a bad player like you seem to think....

[Spates]

I suspect we try and target Goga Bitadze.

Probably Ochai and Mogbo for Goga.

[PushDaRock]

Mamu and Queen could play on the court together for stretches Mamu is more of a stretch big not a traditional C....







This you saying Khaman has less bust potential than Queen ^



I mean you were just wrong on Queen its ok because not everyone is right on players pre draft....But to continue to double down on it and move the goal post when you were clearly wrong is kind of funny....Queen would fit like a glove on this current Raptors team and im sure fans would love him if he were on the team.

Again, where am I saying Queen is a definitive bust? I am pointing out concerns, some of which still exist. I literally said he can overcome them, but IMO he was a boom or bust guy. There really aren't too many Jokic/Sengun outlier types and the "smart" bet is usually that someone in that prototype doesn't make it. I still have efficiency concerns about him going forward and we'll see how that looks a couple years from now.

I was saying the Khaman player type is less likely to be a bust because length and rim protection is at a premium in the NBA. Khaman is 2 years younger than Queen and barely played, but sure go ahead and take your victory lap?

If I'm wrong on something, it's CMB's shooting. Pretty surprising they were able to were able to overhaul his form so quickly. Queen's 3 point shot still looks broken to me.

I mean you said he will be Okafor & Sullinger....And said Luka Garza was as good as Queen....Clearly just a hater and that shows lol....

Khaman might have a good NBA Career but he has way more bust potential because he is less skilled than Queen and can't do as many things as Queen....But anyways i will end the convo here because its going no where and more people are impressed by Queen all around the internet/fan bases than they are saying hes a bad player like you seem to think....

lol where did I say Luka Garza was just as good as him? Quote me please.

I said it was more "likely" he ended up like Okafor and Sullinger, that's not calling him a definitive bust.

When you're projecting out busts, how "skilled" someone is alone isn't the determining factor. The likelihood of finding the next Jokic/Sengun prototype is a lot more difficult than the next Mitchell Robinson. Having some length, shot blocking, rebounding and rim running is a pretty low bar for someone with good physical tools like Khaman to reach, that's why I was saying he has should have lower bust potential. The bar isn't that high for him to be a 15-20 mpg role player that can get a 2nd contract. Becoming the next Jokic/Sengun though, that's quite a bit higher of a bar. If you're the crappy version of those guys, you might not even be in the league.

[Clutch0z24]

Again, where am I saying Queen is a definitive bust? I am pointing out concerns, some of which still exist. I literally said he can overcome them, but IMO he was a boom or bust guy. There really aren't too many Jokic/Sengun outlier types and the "smart" bet is usually that someone in that prototype doesn't make it. I still have efficiency concerns about him going forward and we'll see how that looks a couple years from now.

I was saying the Khaman player type is less likely to be a bust because length and rim protection is at a premium in the NBA. Khaman is 2 years younger than Queen and barely played, but sure go ahead and take your victory lap?

If I'm wrong on something, it's CMB's shooting. Pretty surprising they were able to were able to overhaul his form so quickly. Queen's 3 point shot still looks broken to me.

I mean you said he will be Okafor & Sullinger....And said Luka Garza was as good as Queen....Clearly just a hater and that shows lol....

Khaman might have a good NBA Career but he has way more bust potential because he is less skilled than Queen and can't do as many things as Queen....But anyways i will end the convo here because its going no where and more people are impressed by Queen all around the internet/fan bases than they are saying hes a bad player like you seem to think....

lol where did I say Luka Garza was just as good as him? Quote me please.

I said it was more "likely" he ended up like Okafor and Sullinger, that's not calling him a definitive bust.

When you're projecting out busts, how "skilled" someone is alone isn't the determining factor. The likelihood of finding the next Jokic/Sengun prototype is a lot more difficult than the next Mitchell Robinson. Having some length, shot blocking, rebounding and rim running is a pretty low bar for someone with good physical tools like Khaman to reach, that's why I was saying he has should have lower bust potential. The bar isn't that high for him to be a 15-20 mpg role player that can get a 2nd contract. Becoming the next Jokic/Sengun though, that's quite a bit higher of a bar. If you're the crappy version of those guys, you might not even be in the league.

Queen doesn't have to be Joker or Sengun he can make his own way....He is the youngest C to get 20 Pts 11 Assists....Derik Queen’s stats since entering the Pelicans’ rotation on a full-time basis

15.1 points
7.4 rebounds
5.1 assists
2.3 stocks

Queen joins Nikola Jokic, Alperen Sengun as the only centers averaging 15/7/5 over their past 10 games. The Pelicans are 18.7 points per 100 possessions better with Derik Queen on the court this season, per Cleaning the Glass. That's a 96th percentile net-rating differential, the best of any Pelican or any rookie.

Its a short sample size but its not like the guy is going to forget how to play basketball or have that dramatic of a drop off all of sudden....Hes playing good enough right now that Pelican fans are actually okay with the pick they gave up which says alot...

I would much rather have a player who flashes the skills and talent that Queen has who can do many things on the court and be dynamic than a big who can't do half the things and only does 1 or 2 things well....Queen doesn't have to be an all time great to be successfull if you are trying to compare him to a Mitchell Robinson type expectation in Khaman but then say if Queen isn't as good as Joker hes not that good....Its a pretty bad take and trying to hold one player who you hate for some reason to a higher standard than a player you like to move goal posts again.

[Westside Gunn]

Shouldve kept Orlando Robinson in the back and Ulrich in the G league.

Is there no one available at 6'10 plus that can be scooped from the g league

[PushDaRock]

I mean you said he will be Okafor & Sullinger....And said Luka Garza was as good as Queen....Clearly just a hater and that shows lol....

Khaman might have a good NBA Career but he has way more bust potential because he is less skilled than Queen and can't do as many things as Queen....But anyways i will end the convo here because its going no where and more people are impressed by Queen all around the internet/fan bases than they are saying hes a bad player like you seem to think....

lol where did I say Luka Garza was just as good as him? Quote me please.

I said it was more "likely" he ended up like Okafor and Sullinger, that's not calling him a definitive bust.

When you're projecting out busts, how "skilled" someone is alone isn't the determining factor. The likelihood of finding the next Jokic/Sengun prototype is a lot more difficult than the next Mitchell Robinson. Having some length, shot blocking, rebounding and rim running is a pretty low bar for someone with good physical tools like Khaman to reach, that's why I was saying he has should have lower bust potential. The bar isn't that high for him to be a 15-20 mpg role player that can get a 2nd contract. Becoming the next Jokic/Sengun though, that's quite a bit higher of a bar. If you're the crappy version of those guys, you might not even be in the league.

Queen doesn't have to be Joker or Sengun he can make his own way....He is the youngest C to get 20 Pts 11 Assists....Derik Queen’s stats since entering the Pelicans’ rotation on a full-time basis

15.1 points
7.4 rebounds
5.1 assists
2.3 stocks

Queen joins Nikola Jokic, Alperen Sengun as the only centers averaging 15/7/5 over their past 10 games. The Pelicans are 18.7 points per 100 possessions better with Derik Queen on the court this season, per Cleaning the Glass. That's a 96th percentile net-rating differential, the best of any Pelican or any rookie.

Its a short sample size but its not like the guy is going to forget how to play basketball or have that dramatic of a drop off all of sudden....Hes playing good enough right now that Pelican fans are actually okay with the pick they gave up which says alot...

I would much rather have a player who flashes the skills and talent that Queen has who can do many things on the court and be dynamic than a big who can't do half the things and only does 1 or 2 things well....Queen doesn't have to be an all time great to be successfull if you are trying to compare him to a Mitchell Robinson type expectation in Khaman but then say if Queen isn't as good as Joker hes not that good....Its a pretty bad take and trying to hold one player who you hate for some reason to a higher standard than a player you like to move goal posts again.

You're either dense or purposely misconstruing what I'm saying.

Anyways, feel free to continue your glazing. Have fun!!!

[Los_29]

Another thread that aged horribly. Don’t start threads after 2 games into the season. lol.

[Mark_83]

Funny that people want Koloko when Timme (the guy the Lakers replaced him with) probably would have been a better fit with our playing style.

[Los_29]

Mamu and Queen could play on the court together for stretches Mamu is more of a stretch big not a traditional C....







This you saying Khaman has less bust potential than Queen ^



I mean you were just wrong on Queen its ok because not everyone is right on players pre draft....But to continue to double down on it and move the goal post when you were clearly wrong is kind of funny....Queen would fit like a glove on this current Raptors team and im sure fans would love him if he were on the team.

Again, where am I saying Queen is a definitive bust? I am pointing out concerns, some of which still exist. I literally said he can overcome them, but IMO he was a boom or bust guy. There really aren't too many Jokic/Sengun outlier types and the "smart" bet is usually that someone in that prototype doesn't make it. I still have efficiency concerns about him going forward and we'll see how that looks a couple years from now.

I was saying the Khaman player type is less likely to be a bust because length and rim protection is at a premium in the NBA. Khaman is 2 years younger than Queen and barely played, but sure go ahead and take your victory lap?

If I'm wrong on something, it's CMB's shooting. Pretty surprising they were able to were able to overhaul his form so quickly. Queen's 3 point shot still looks broken to me.

I mean you said he will be Okafor & Sullinger....And said Luka Garza was as good as Queen....Clearly just a hater and that shows lol....

Khaman might have a good NBA Career but he has way more bust potential because he is less skilled than Queen and can't do as many things as Queen....But anyways i will end the convo here because its going no where and more people are impressed by Queen all around the internet/fan bases than they are saying hes a bad player like you seem to think....

No, he didn’t. Read it again.

[TheAlchemist23]

Another thread that aged horribly. Don’t start threads after 2 games into the season. lol.

We need another real big regardless, we can't sink or swim on the whims of Jakob's back

[PushDaRock]

Again, where am I saying Queen is a definitive bust? I am pointing out concerns, some of which still exist. I literally said he can overcome them, but IMO he was a boom or bust guy. There really aren't too many Jokic/Sengun outlier types and the "smart" bet is usually that someone in that prototype doesn't make it. I still have efficiency concerns about him going forward and we'll see how that looks a couple years from now.

I was saying the Khaman player type is less likely to be a bust because length and rim protection is at a premium in the NBA. Khaman is 2 years younger than Queen and barely played, but sure go ahead and take your victory lap?

If I'm wrong on something, it's CMB's shooting. Pretty surprising they were able to were able to overhaul his form so quickly. Queen's 3 point shot still looks broken to me.

I mean you said he will be Okafor & Sullinger....And said Luka Garza was as good as Queen....Clearly just a hater and that shows lol....

Khaman might have a good NBA Career but he has way more bust potential because he is less skilled than Queen and can't do as many things as Queen....But anyways i will end the convo here because its going no where and more people are impressed by Queen all around the internet/fan bases than they are saying hes a bad player like you seem to think....

No, he didn’t. Read it again.

lol people make things up in their head when they really want to win an argument online I guess