Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[wfnshow316]

The reason for the SAS deal is simple - We get to try Barg's at the 4 for one year - and we get a true center to play with him in Splitter - we have all the other pieces in Turk, Caldy, Jack, signed to LT deals - so we try it - Jefferson is done - but can give you minutes at the 2 and is an expiring - in 2011 - with the new CBA expected - your right about Mason - he is in the final year of his deal - so Bell would be a better option

[The Duke]

Yup I dont want Scola/Ariza/Martin on a Bosh-less team... on top of that Yao/Brooks is likely off-limits.

I'd start the package/offer at Battier + Jefferies + NY pick + 2 Houston Picks + youth (and we'll go from there)

since the team is stuck with turkoglu and bargnani for a while that would be a bad decision. scola and martin could be well worth it playing in the east. a couple low picks and end of the bench rotation players is not worth it at this point.

Your underestimating what a Bosh-less Raptor Team will be like..... taking back martin/Scola is at best 7-8th seed, where at worst you finish around 10th.

I doubt they give up Martin also, it seems Houston has wanted him for a while.. and Scola is up there in age and his "value" on the raps will not translate into something that is meaningful.

My package above is a very hard package to accept... theres not much there understand able but after that you can use picks as sweetener, Battier is a great player who will have value, and we can combine some dead weight and trade expirings or have 2011 capspace. Hedo's percived value likely goes "up" without to much competition there (Bosh included)

[canguy20m]

Yup I dont want Scola/Ariza/Martin on a Bosh-less team... on top of that Yao/Brooks is likely off-limits.

I'd start the package/offer at Battier + Jefferies + NY pick + 2 Houston Picks + youth (and we'll go from there)

since the team is stuck with turkoglu and bargnani for a while that would be a bad decision. scola and martin could be well worth it playing in the east. a couple low picks and end of the bench rotation players is not worth it at this point.

Your underestimating what a Bosh-less Raptor Team will be like..... taking back martin/Scola is at best 7-8th seed, where at worst you finish around 10th.

I doubt they give up Martin also, it seems Houston has wanted him for a while.. and Scola is up there in age and his "value" on the raps will not translate into something that is meaningful.

My package above is a very hard package to accept... theres not much there understand able but after that you can use picks as sweetener, Battier is a great player who will have value, and we can combine some dead weight and trade expirings or have 2011 capspace. Hedo's percived value likely goes "up" without to much competition there (Bosh included)

but martin and scola would be valuable trade assets and would give the gm some flexibility in the future. either of them has the potential to develop into a better player in the east, improving their trade value.

[The Duke]

but martin and scola would be valuable trade assets and would give the gm some flexibility in the future. either of them has the potential to develop into a better player in the east, improving their trade value.

What does Martin get you (if he is even available) ? ... let remember he was majorily traded for T-Mac (expiring contract)

Scola ... i really dont see the trade value on a high priced contract he'd get.

[Fairview4Life]

but martin and scola would be valuable trade assets and would give the gm some flexibility in the future. either of them has the potential to develop into a better player in the east, improving their trade value.

What does Martin get you (if he is even available) ? ... let remember he was majorily traded for T-Mac (expiring contract)

Carl Landry and salary relief, not TMac.

[gerrit4]

but martin and scola would be valuable trade assets and would give the gm some flexibility in the future. either of them has the potential to develop into a better player in the east, improving their trade value.

What does Martin get you (if he is even available) ? ... let remember he was majorily traded for T-Mac (expiring contract)

Scola ... i really dont see the trade value on a high priced contract he'd get.

Martin was traded for Carl Landry, a very solid young prospect and low post scorer. He was traded for far more than an expiring contract.

[A roc 23]

Brooks / Lowry
Ariza / Budinger
Battier / Jefferies
Bosh / Hill
Ming / Hayes / Anderson

I like it. That team would be good.

Jack / Calderon
Martin / DeMar
Hedo / Wright / Weems
Scola / Evans
Bargs / Amir

Meh. Honestly that team might be able to get you to .500 in the East. Raptors don't get much worse or much better. Pretty much the story of the Raptor franchise!

[junot111]

Is it possible to get 2010 draft picks in a sign and trade. Because the day to sign players is in july, but the draft is in june?

No, but you can have the right for the rookie player (give him the contract).
Eg. Roy Hilbert where Toronto drafted as the 2nd pick and send the rights to Indiana
Thurs, you can tell them who you want them to draft.


Meanwhile, people are over estimating the power of sign and trade.
You don't have the bargaining power for Chris Paul or Okafor, please be reasonable.

S&T can get you what the other team wants to give you, you have no power on what you want to get, but you can reject what they want to give you.
Usually the players are in the trading block or in the same position (eg. PF in our case)

Also, don't expect we can attach Hedo and Jose, we don't have that authority.
The reason we are getting back something is because of their cap, if they have no cap issue, they can just send us a 2nd round pick.

My post was just a trade idea/off-season plan. It had nothing to do with a sign and trade but I posted it here because this was the only trade-related thread visible

[IllmaticV]

Houston will not give up Martin + S&T'ed Scola for Bosh. Why would the Raptors want that anyway? To keep treadmilling for years to come? Martin and Scola are admittedly good players, but not at all what this team needs.

If these are the kinds of moves Colangelo is going to look to make in the summer for Bosh and our other pieces, we're pretty screwed. We need a proper rebuild, not lateral moves to keep us consistently contending for the 6th - 8th seed.

Then again, I don't know if we can properly rebuild with so much money tied up in Jose/Bargnani/Hedo.

[gregdj]

no matter what the trade is... if we still have bargs at C calderon at PG and turkadodo at SF this team is going NOWHERE...

[ShowtimeFan]

There is an old saying in Basketball, you don't trade Bigs for Smalls, so if you are looking to trade him, the Raptors should look to trade Bigs for Bigs..

Also, I could see Bosh's Agent submitting a list of 3 or 4 Teams that Bosh would consider a S&T with and then letting the Raptors fron office see what they can do. The extra year on the Contract may not be as valuable as you think, because if he is still playing at a high level in 5 years, he can still get another big contract, and with the new CBA it may effect that as well.

I could see Bosh / his Agent giving the Raptors a deadline to meet after which he could just sign with the Knicks, Heat or Bulls giving them NOTHING in return...

[Indeed]

The reason of getting expiring and draft pick is to send away our bad contract.

Jeffries, Evans, Banks and Battier can be trade bait, and allow us to exchange for a shorter contract of Jose and Hedo with a first round pick.
Eg. Jose + Evans + Houston 1st round pick is very close of getting Bynum (as Bynum has a 15m contract, and I doubt LAL wants to pay someone who doesn't play often in the 4th).


So it is VERY IMPORTANT to get draft picks and expiring, so we can trade away bad contracts.
It is not without purpose.

[IllmaticV]

The reason of getting expiring and draft pick is to send away our bad contract.

Jeffries, Evans, Banks and Battier can be trade bait, and allow us to exchange for a shorter contract of Jose and Hedo with a first round pick.
Eg. Jose + Evans + Houston 1st round pick is very close of getting Bynum (as Bynum has a 15m contract, and I doubt LAL wants to pay someone who doesn't play often in the 4th).


So it is VERY IMPORTANT to get draft picks and expiring, so we can trade away bad contracts.
It is not without purpose.

Lol, what? You're serious?

[bballsparkin]

Houston will not give up Martin + S&T'ed Scola for Bosh. Why would the Raptors want that anyway? To keep treadmilling for years to come? Martin and Scola are admittedly good players, but not at all what this team needs.

If these are the kinds of moves Colangelo is going to look to make in the summer for Bosh and our other pieces, we're pretty screwed. We need a proper rebuild, not lateral moves to keep us consistently contending for the 6th - 8th seed.

Then again, I don't know if we can properly rebuild with so much money tied up in Jose/Bargnani/Hedo.

I agree that a proper rebuild is in order if Bosh leaves. Which will be trough the draft and cheap contracts. So their contracts won't be an issue anyway for the next two seasons anyway. Jose's contract will only become easier to trade as time goes on. And I think he'd play better on a lousy team as he'd have no pressure. Bargnani's contract isn't that bad if he's in the right system, and letting him develop will only make him easier to trade should the Raptors want to go that route. And Turk, well he'll be a good expiring eventually. lol

[gregdj]

Brooks / Lowry
Ariza / Budinger
Battier / Jefferies
Bosh / Hill
Ming / Hayes / Anderson

I like it. That team would be good.

Jack / Calderon
Martin / DeMar
Hedo / Wright / Weems
Scola / Evans
Bargs / Amir

Meh. Honestly that team might be able to get you to .500 in the East. Raptors don't get much worse or much better. Pretty much the story of the Raptor franchise!

f that

[OAKLEY_2]

Say you are a top tier talent like Bosh and you have this ability to pick your destination at 26 the peak of your career. You like Toronto. But they just can't ever seem to sustain any competitiveness for whatever reason. You like the urban scene and you have some interests outside the game. New York is the logical destination knowing they are poised big time to do something along the lines of Garnett/Allen/PP. Bosh/Joe Johnson/Steve Nash? In one of the recent games against the Knicks before the game Dantoni was more than a little friendly towards Bosh and I thought you would see some joking around but Bosh nodded and kept walking looking at the floor. That is a guy Bosh has played for. I just have to think the stars are aligning for the Knicks and we will have no choice but to accommodate. Lee, Douglas and Chandler coming back with NY deciding not to part with Gallinari. Also they would have no problem giving up their 2011 and 2012 first rounders. I cannot see a better deal than this unless by some chance Miami actually offered Beasley, Cook filler and picks. New York makes sense because the Raps will have a lot of contracts expriring in 2011 so they can absorb a lot of picks over those 2 years. It could also happen that they take Lee and Curry for Bosh/Hedo and just move on. If there is one team that would shell out for Hedo if it means Bosh it is New York. Chicago has nothing for us except Swirsky.

[Ripp]

I actually don't think Bosh will go to Houston. Well, he might - but I don't know that, and you don't know that, only he does. But this is all a guessing game, so let me offer a scenario as to why he may not choose Houston.

First, I want to say that people have to look at this from Bosh's perspective (again not in a literal sense, we don't know what he's thinking) rather than the RAPTORS perspective. I mean, it's obvious that the Rockets can yield us the best return in S&T aside from possibly the Lakers with Bynum.

I'll start off by saying, I'm not too sure that Bosh wants to play alongside another offensive C in Yao Ming. It stands to reason that Rick Adelman will figure out a way to make it work, but it's like, is the ball big enough to feed Yao and Bosh considering that both are effective when they get touches - unless Yao becomes a role-playing defensive C, or Vlade Divac/Sabonis. Can Bosh look at it this way?

Yao is/was already a defensive anchor. But they relied too heavily on him to carry the offense alone. This combined with how much China Basketball leans probably contributed greatly to his career-threatening injury. Best bet for Yao is to ease himself back in slowly, play like 20-25 minutes a night until he gets back to NBA form on both ends again. Thus, there shouldn't be any conflict. Also, go visit some of the Rockets blogs...they've already analyzed it and concluded that Bosh and Yao like to operate on different parts of the floor.

And then, the whole Bosh would love to play closer to home - wait a sec., isn't this the same guy who turned down Rick Barnes' recruiting pitch for Univ. of Texas...to play at Georgia Tech? Plus, he has always said that he loves Toronto - that it's his second home away from home. If he goes to Texas, I would think it would be to play in Dallas, not Houston.

There is a lot of pressure associated with playing in your home town. Family and friends that make lots of financial demands, demands on your time...pretty easy to see why he wouldn't want to play in Dallas.

And why wouldn't Bosh want to play in Chicago? They've got a premier PG, a C who plays defence and doesn't need touches, and the city is one of the best in the U.S. Plus, Bosh's agent is Chicago-based, so maybe he'll put in a word for Chicago.

Again, it's all a guessing game at this point, but Chicago's a contender just as much as Houston.

Chicago is also a good location. Will be interesting to see what happens.

[EventHorizon]

Is it common belief that Bynum would be off limits?

[inrapscity]

brook lopez+john wall for bosh. NJN then signs Lebron.

[mercy]

Is it common belief that Bynum would be off limits?

I don't think so. Acquiring Bosh assures them being clear cut favorites for a long time.

Building around Bynum is a great idea. He's only 22 and will only get better.