Waiters has draft promise, cancels workouts| BC talks pg 15

[trenekas]

IMO best option would be trade pick, Ed Davis and Kleiza for example to Iguodala and 15 pick. Please, dont pick Waiters at 8

[roundhead0]

Since Bayless isn't the traditional PG - I could very well see BC taking Lillard. Since Nash is being targeted, BC admitted on the FAN that it would make sense to bring Nash here for 3 years and groom a young PG at the same time. I see Bayless as a Jason Terry, so they could all fit.

I seriously doubt that they would sign Nash, draft Lillard, and still keep Bayless. Bayless will probably cost MLE-type money, and I don't think you want to pay that to a guy who will essentially be an undersized backup SG.

[dagger]

With Calderon still under contract, the hinting of Bayless coming back, talk of Nash
signing and Dragic, Lowry and Lins names being kicked around I can't see the Raps
going PG unless they were absolutely blown away that Lillard was the BPA and I don't
think Lillard has separated himself enough from the group at 8.

Again, I disagree. Lillard's had about the best two weeks of anyone in this draft. He's gotten raves at every workout, he's not tried to duck competition, he's shown top 5 skills and attitude. I don't think he's going to be on the board at #8, I bet Portland takes him at #6 because they need a PG in the worst way. But if they go in another direction, I think we jump on Lillard. He's certainly separated from everyone else in the Gang of Five names often associated with the Raps.

[Rhettmatic]

^ Yeah I'm starting to suspect Lillard won't be available. If he is, I think he's the pick barring another big name dropping.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

And is lillard isn't there at 8, maybe Barnes is.

Davis,
MKG
T-Robinson
Beal
Drummond
Lillard
T. Jones, (word is GS likes him as a 3)
Barnes falls to us.

[Rhettmatic]

And is lillard isn't there at 8, maybe Barnes is.

Davis,
MKG
T-Robinson
Beal
Drummond
Lillard
T. Jones, (word is GS likes him as a 3)
Barnes falls to us.

If Lillard goes earlier -- and the rumours about GSW being enamoured with either Terrence Jones or Sullinger are true -- one of Beal, Drummond or Barnes likely falls to us. I don't know if BC takes Drummond but I think he'd jump on either of the others.

[plainballing]

And is lillard isn't there at 8, maybe Barnes is.

Davis,
MKG
T-Robinson
Beal
Drummond
Lillard
T. Jones, (word is GS likes him as a 3)
Barnes falls to us.

If Lillard goes earlier -- and the rumours about GSW being enamoured with either Terrence Jones or Sullinger are true -- one of Beal, Drummond or Barnes likely falls to us. I don't know if BC takes Drummond but I think he'd jump on either of the others.

This draft is getting interesting...if we are keeping the pick, we will get a good prospect moving forward. Although I want another lottery pick but I doubt BC will take on another rookie in a "must-win" season.

[Tha Cynic]

I hear a lot of talk about smokescreen when it comes to Colangelo, but the guy usually tells it how it is. I'm not sure why people think he's some great bluffer. If he says they didn't promise Waiters at 8, then they didn't give that promise.

[roundhead0]

Do you really think the Cavs will pass on Barnes and take Beal instead? I don't see it unless Beal really wows people in the workout and Barnes doesn't. I thought the Cavs were pretty much locked-in on Barnes unless MKG somehow falls to them.

[JamesNaismith]

And is lillard isn't there at 8, maybe Barnes is.

Davis,
MKG
T-Robinson
Beal
Drummond
Lillard
T. Jones, (word is GS likes him as a 3)
Barnes falls to us.

If Lillard goes earlier -- and the rumours about GSW being enamoured with either Terrence Jones or Sullinger are true -- one of Beal, Drummond or Barnes likely falls to us. I don't know if BC takes Drummond but I think he'd jump on either of the others.

That would be amazing!!

But actually think BC would take Drummond...despite being a project big man I can't see him passing on his potential for Lamb or Waiters and Colangelo hasn't been adverse to drafting raw players ie/ DeMar and Amare at basically the same spot in the draft.

[dagger]

Do you really think the Cavs will pass on Barnes and take Beal instead? I don't see it unless Beal really wows people in the workout and Barnes doesn't. I thought the Cavs were pretty much locked-in on Barnes unless MKG somehow falls to them.

If there is any team ahead of us that leans heavily in the draft on advanced stats, it's Cleveland, which is why Thompson ended up as their #4 pick. So I can see them embracing Beal, it's just that they will likely lose Alonzo Gee in free agency. He was arguably their second best young player/building block, so that would leave a void at SF. And there is the whole Irving-Barnes relationship thing.

[dagger]

And is lillard isn't there at 8, maybe Barnes is.

Davis,
MKG
T-Robinson
Beal
Drummond
Lillard
T. Jones, (word is GS likes him as a 3)
Barnes falls to us.

If Lillard goes earlier -- and the rumours about GSW being enamoured with either Terrence Jones or Sullinger are true -- one of Beal, Drummond or Barnes likely falls to us. I don't know if BC takes Drummond but I think he'd jump on either of the others.

That would be amazing!!

But actually think BC would take Drummond...despite being a project big man I can't see him passing on his potential for Lamb or Waiters and Colangelo hasn't been adverse to drafting raw players ie/ DeMar and Amare at basically the same spot in the draft.

No I can't see developing two project centers. Not at all. I it's a project - think Harkless. We'd likely see if we could swap the #8 to take Harkless a little lower, maybe offload a contract or pick up a future pick as compensation.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Do you really think the Cavs will pass on Barnes and take Beal instead? I don't see it unless Beal really wows people in the workout and Barnes doesn't. I thought the Cavs were pretty much locked-in on Barnes unless MKG somehow falls to them.

If there is any team ahead of us that leans heavily in the draft on advanced stats, it's Cleveland, which is why Thompson ended up as their #4 pick. So I can see them embracing Beal, it's just that they will likely lose Alonzo Gee in free agency. He was arguably their second best player, so that would leave a major void at SF. And there is the whole Irving-Barnes relationship thing.

I think that's why they liked him at 8-10 but I think they actually took him at #4 because of the early promise and Leon Rose. If you like advanced stats, don't you take Jonas #4?

Goal for Poland!

[gerrit4]

Doubt we'd take Drummond if he drops, but I think #8 is a great place to take a chance on someone with that type of potential. Drummond and Val could be an incredible big man pair.

[JamesNaismith]

No I can't see developing two project centers. Not at all. I it's a project - think Harkless. We'd likely see if we could swap the #8 to take Harkless a little lower, maybe offload a contract or pick up a future pick as compensation.

I can agree with you that he may not keep Drummond but I believe he would draft him.

His name/potential alone would make his selection far more valuable than drafting Lamb or Waiters. I'm certain that if he then shopped Drummond with say Ed that he could actually net a significant upgrade on the wings over Lamb, Waiters or Harkless...I know how much you like Moe but any team in the neighbourhood of drafting Harkless will be laughing at us to trade for Drummond.

I'm not saying it like there is certainty that Andre turns out to be better but you can't tell me that the current perception isn't that Drummond has a much greater buzz around his name.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Do you really think the Cavs will pass on Barnes and take Beal instead? I don't see it unless Beal really wows people in the workout and Barnes doesn't. I thought the Cavs were pretty much locked-in on Barnes unless MKG somehow falls to them.

yeah, I didn't really put much thought, but you're right. A lot of people think Barnes does not get past Cleveland at 4. At the same time, I don't see Beal falling to 8. If that's the case, maybe that's the scenario that BC says, let's revisit a trade discussion for a team that would like Drummond, and try and get a wing and move back in the draft a bit and see if a guy like Ross, or Harkless or Marshall could be nabbed rather than taking and keeping Drummond or making a reach pick.

[Waylon Mercy]

With Calderon still under contract, the hinting of Bayless coming back, talk of Nash
signing and Dragic, Lowry and Lins names being kicked around I can't see the Raps
going PG unless they were absolutely blown away that Lillard was the BPA and I don't
think Lillard has separated himself enough from the group at 8.

Again, I disagree. Lillard's had about the best two weeks of anyone in this draft. He's gotten raves at every workout, he's not tried to duck competition, he's shown top 5 skills and attitude. I don't think he's going to be on the board at #8, I bet Portland takes him at #6 because they need a PG in the worst way. But if they go in another direction, I think we jump on Lillard. He's certainly separated from everyone else in the Gang of Five names often associated with the Raps.

To reiterate what I wrote in the Combine thread...

Chad Ford who was high on Lillard has cooled down on him and just said this
before commercial break...

Said there isn't an elite PG in this draft...
Said Lillard would be a reach at 6 for Portland...
No longer has Lillard ranked in his top 10...

[Mister Ze]

Could the Warriors have promised Waiters? He's a combo guard and they would have a 3 guard rotation of Curry, Thompson, and Waiters.

If Drummond is available I think BC would take him. 7 footer, 280 pounds 3 BPG, 7'6 wingspan. Can't remember the last time the Raptors had someone of his size. Dude is bigger than Cousins and can do a between the legs dunk.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Well, if you were a gambling man with his job on the line, would you take the #2 RSCI prospect with historical measurements or trade down to take a mildly athletic, raw SF who played PF in college? The first buys you time and if it doesn't work out at least you swung for the fences and not for a double. If Harkless doesn't work out you're fired your name will go down in Babcock-land as having passed on whomever you could have taken @8 that ended up becoming a star.

[Consequence]

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Most NBA people I talk to are convinced that its Phoenix that promised Dion Waiters at 13, not Toronto. Makes a heck of a lot more sense.