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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#281 » by Hassassin » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:15 pm

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
Hassassin wrote:Would the Bobcats do something like Gay and Lowry for MKG, Walker, Biyombo and Gordon? Is that too much towards our favor?


I think one of Biyombo or Walker would need to stay back for CHA to consider it. Personally I rather get Kemba than Biyombo. Although the new line up wouldn't leave much space for Wigs if not I'd "settle" for Randle lol

Kemba
DeRozan
MKG
Randle
Valanciunas

With cap space...sign me up


They can keep Biyombo then. I wouldn't be worried about fitting them all in. Just draft Wiggins and trade the excess parts.
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#282 » by dat90zKiD » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:28 am

Hassassin wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:
Hassassin wrote:Would the Bobcats do something like Gay and Lowry for MKG, Walker, Biyombo and Gordon? Is that too much towards our favor?


I think one of Biyombo or Walker would need to stay back for CHA to consider it. Personally I rather get Kemba than Biyombo. Although the new line up wouldn't leave much space for Wigs if not I'd "settle" for Randle lol

Kemba
DeRozan
MKG
Randle
Valanciunas

With cap space...sign me up


They can keep Biyombo then. I wouldn't be worried about fitting them all in. Just draft Wiggins and trade the excess parts.



WOW. That would be an ideal dream come true,no joke.
If we can move Lowry and Rudy for young core pieces with potential for growth going forward.
However... it does sound too good to be true, lol.
I doubt a 8-12th team makes a push for RG/KL, unless they had evil BC as their GM.

I can see Rudy and Lowry being traded off to 6-9th seeders, to help them solidify playoff match ups.
Ideally, those teams would be Detroit, Milwaukee, possibly Washington and maybe even ATL in the east.
Not sure about capspace/expirings, etc.
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#283 » by theSkinny » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:08 am

Fire sale in PHX?

Lowry for Dragic and their lowest 2014 pick (for relieving two years of his contract)

Gives us that second pick in the draft we can bundle to move up, hopefully.
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#284 » by TheGoodDoctor » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:16 am

theSkinny wrote:Fire sale in PHX?

Lowry for Dragic and their lowest 2014 pick (for relieving two years of his contract)

Gives us that second pick in the draft we can bundle to move up, hopefully.


The firesale is to get picks...
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#285 » by theSkinny » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:38 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
theSkinny wrote:Fire sale in PHX?

Lowry for Dragic and their lowest 2014 pick (for relieving two years of his contract)

Gives us that second pick in the draft we can bundle to move up, hopefully.


The firesale is to get picks...


They have what, four now?
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#286 » by TheGoodDoctor » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:44 am

theSkinny wrote:
TheGoodDoctor wrote:
theSkinny wrote:Fire sale in PHX?

Lowry for Dragic and their lowest 2014 pick (for relieving two years of his contract)

Gives us that second pick in the draft we can bundle to move up, hopefully.


The firesale is to get picks...


They have what, four now?


Yup and very well timed for a deep draft.

They will have a lot of leverage going into it.
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#287 » by Hassassin » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:54 am

theSkinny wrote:Fire sale in PHX?

Lowry for Dragic and their lowest 2014 pick (for relieving two years of his contract)

Gives us that second pick in the draft we can bundle to move up, hopefully.


Suns might consider it if the pick is not included.
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Post#288 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:21 am

Suns are looking to rebuild and really don't have a need to be dealing those picks for vets. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Also there is NO WAY Charlotte deals Kemba AND Gilchrist. It's not happening in this universe... Well, not for what we have to offer anyways. I think we all agree on the basic premise of MKG + Gordon for Gay though an expanded deal that includes Lowry going their way and picks coming ours makes more sense. They can leave Kemba to handle the scoring off the bench.

I posted a deal earlier that I think is more than a fair return and Charlotte gets to keep a lot of their pieces as well. If I'm Ujiri, I'd get to work on that blockbuster and even if we lose out on Wiggins, we get another pick AND a young prospect to examine. MKG could also be used if need be to move up in the draft


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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#289 » by witnessraps » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:35 am

gay for MKG doesn't work for me right now. We need to see what we have with DeMar and Rudy is the better player right now and will make life easier for DeMar. MKG has no range right now. Charlotte I don't think should do it either since they can wait to see what they have with MKG. It's definitely something to consider if we go the tank route and Rudy/Jefferson/Kemba/Zeller is a decent core
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#290 » by TheGoodDoctor » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:47 pm

witnessraps wrote:gay for MKG doesn't work for me right now. We need to see what we have with DeMar and Rudy is the better player right now and will make life easier for DeMar. MKG has no range right now. Charlotte I don't think should do it either since they can wait to see what they have with MKG. It's definitely something to consider if we go the tank route and Rudy/Jefferson/Kemba/Zeller is a decent core


But that's the whole point for us...you don't try to make a trade for a young prospect when they solidify themselves as a good player or the opposing team will want more or hang up the phone lol
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#291 » by Crazomali » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:04 pm

#1
TOR trades: Demar Derozan
ATL trades: Dennis Schroder & Louis Williams
#2
TOR trades: Rudy Gay & Amir Johnson
DET trades: Greg Monroe & Rodney Stuckey & Charlie Villanueva
#3
TOR trades: Kyle Lowry
MIL trades: Giannis Adetokunmpo
Reason: Well if this scenario ever plays out (Which I hope it does), Raptors going forward will have a core of Jonas, Monroe, Schroder, and two projects (Tross & Giannis). For the first time in his life Demar will play for a playoff team since there’s no point in making him disgruntled when we are tanking so it’s best for all of us that Demar gets to feed his playoff hunger with Atlanta. For the Detroit scenario, its best to cash in their desperate chase for the playoffs. Lastly, the Milwaukee scenario is basically a salary dump on the Raptors part which benefits both parties since moving forward Lowry should not be our point guard so it’s best to send him to the bucks who will be glad to have a point guard better then Brandon Knight. All in All, the Raptors will be in the chase for the top 10 in the 2014 draft pick
Edit: snap I forgot the roster will add up to 17 so might as well cut some guys (Looking at buycks and Stone)
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#292 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:09 pm

I think the Faried and Derozan idea is a good one, with DEN having a SG hole-ish and Ujiri's history with Faried. Derozan and NY 1st for Faried, Miller and Randolph.
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#293 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:29 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I think the Faried and Derozan idea is a good one, with DEN having a SG hole-ish and Ujiri's history with Faried. Derozan and NY 1st for Faried, Miller and Randolph.


Faried is pretty overrated for some reason in the basketball world and I'm not sure why. He plays with a lot of heart and tenacity, excellent rebound but I don't see him being anymore than a hustle big off the bench on a contender. How is that different from Amir Johnson? Then to have to trade a blossoming SG in a league dry at the SG position?

DeRozan isn't untouchable but I wouldn't move him for Faried personally.

And about the Gay deal, I'd prefer to attempt to steal him away by a) signing an offer sheet or b) offering a S&T involving DeRozan. But if this deal comes up, remove Johnson from the deal and I'd pull the trigger. Granted of course, there aren't any better deals out there for Gay.
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#294 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:51 pm

I'm pissed about how low Lowry's trade value is going to be. May be traded for as a backup PG to a contender, for half a season. Won't get a ton for that. May be something like

Toronto trades
Kyle Lowry
Landry Fields
Steve Novak

Memphis trades
Tayshaun Prince
Jerryd Bayless
Jamaal Franklin
Jon Leuer
2014 PHI 2nd (likely 31st pick)
2016 TOR 2nd

We dump a few million in salary next year, in addition to getting those picks and Franklin/Leuer who are intriguing
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#295 » by Rapsfan07 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:13 am

Dr Positivity wrote:I'm pissed about how low Lowry's trade value is going to be. May be traded for as a backup PG to a contender, for half a season. Won't get a ton for that. May be something like

Toronto trades
Kyle Lowry
Landry Fields
Steve Novak

Memphis trades
Tayshaun Prince
Jerryd Bayless
Jamaal Franklin
Jon Leuer
2014 PHI 2nd (likely 31st pick)
2016 TOR 2nd

We dump a few million in salary next year, in addition to getting those picks and Franklin/Leuer who are intriguing


As am I but that`s kind of the nature of the beast. Lowry`s an expiring deal and teams usually don`t give up too much value for those even if the player is good UNLESS they believe he`s re-signing or they`re worth taking that risk on (i.e the Deron Williams deal). Unfortunately, Lowry isn`t a star and isn`t good enough to demand that kind of risk and what's worse is he plays the most overpopulated position in the league. This is why I seriously do not advocate dealing him alone because teams interested will low-ball us knowing that we have no control over his situation. So one of three things has to happen:

a) He should be offered an extension reasonably soon. This way, we can sign him to a contract similar to the one he's on now. This will prevent us from allowing him to play too many games because if his value drops even further based on his play, we won't be able to deal him at all. OR he plays well but then asks for more money. Both are risky so I'd rather offer the extension now and play it safe.

b) We can look to package him with Rudy Gay. Obviously Charlotte is my preferred destination but if we package him with Rudy, we could get more for both of them than we could if we dealt them separately. The receivers would be getting a Top 5-7 SF and a quality starting PG as main pieces and few teams have both the need AND the means to make a deal work and Charlotte is one of them.

c) Both A & B. We can offer an extension to Lowry AND package him with Gay in a trade. Perhaps the best option since teams are usually reluctant to deal assets for players if they aren't sure if they're going to re-up. If they trade for him without that security, it would end up being a rental situation which would be a waste of their assets.

So if Lowry is re-upped asap at a similar cost and dealt with Rudy, I think that's where we get the most bang for our buck. Because without that, we'd be banking on a key PG injury to happen in order for a Lowry trade to happen and there are a LOT of PG's out there. Gay is the better "feature " of the package because of how shallow the SF position is around the league.

As for your deal, I think we sell out cheaply and it's a lateral move at best. To me, our pieces> those pieces.
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#296 » by sweetcity » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:53 pm

I agree, we have a lot of bargaining power with KL right now. Unfortunately for him, the market for PG's is people saturated right now. I'd say we could get him for 4 years $6.5-7m. Packaged with Rudy Gay, we could probably take back Gordan, Kemba or MGK and Biyombo. I've always loved Kemba, the guy is a winner, neither him or MKG is a good fit with DeMar though
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#297 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:45 pm

What about this near the deadline... Not sure what Faried is worth

To TOR: Kenneth Faried + Randy Foye + Andre Miller
To DEN: Terrence Ross + Dj Augustin + Aaron Gray + Quincy Acy + NYK 2016 1st RD Pick


Denver dumps a lot of money + get a young SG in Ross.

Toronto gets Faried and pairs him up with Val for the foreseeable future.

Kyle Lowry / Andre Miller / Dwight Buycks
Demar Derozan / Randy Foye / Julyan Stone
Rudy Gay / Landry Fields / Austin Daye
Kenneth Faried / Tyler Hansbrough / Steve Novak
Jonas Val / Amir Johnson
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Post#298 » by sweetcity » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:18 pm

Faried would be a nice pickup.... but that Knicks pick could be awesome in 2016 if they don't resign melo. By that time Chandler, Melo, Felton etc would be gone. The Knicks could stink by then
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Re: Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread 

Post#299 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:08 pm

sweetcity wrote:Faried would be a nice pickup.... but that Knicks pick could be awesome in 2016 if they don't resign melo. By that time Chandler, Melo, Felton etc would be gone. The Knicks could stink by then


Denver has the right to swap with that pick, so it's the lower of NY and DEN's picks. I have a hard time seeing it being top 10
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Post#300 » by TheGoodDoctor » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:02 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:What about this near the deadline... Not sure what Faried is worth

To TOR: Kenneth Faried + Randy Foye + Andre Miller
To DEN: Terrence Ross + Dj Augustin + Aaron Gray + Quincy Acy + NYK 2016 1st RD Pick


Denver dumps a lot of money + get a young SG in Ross.

Toronto gets Faried and pairs him up with Val for the foreseeable future.

Kyle Lowry / Andre Miller / Dwight Buycks
Demar Derozan / Randy Foye / Julyan Stone
Rudy Gay / Landry Fields / Austin Daye
Kenneth Faried / Tyler Hansbrough / Steve Novak
Jonas Val / Amir Johnson


I really don't think that would get Faried.

I'm not trying to talk sh*t but really that's like giving up Faried for a late 2016 and 8-10th man SG. I'm DEN I easily pass on that offer. Replace Ross with Amir and you may have something.

Not that I'm high on getting Faried when he's due for a contract but if I were forced to make an offer that I think could possibly go through I would try and offer Amir + Ross but I think they would want Amir + NYK 2016 pick. I don't think his production is really that much greater than Amir's but I think his big dunks and blocks do provide a good energy and buzz for others to feed off of.

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