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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#281 » by Psubs » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:09 am

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yt_boi wrote:Paul Reed is who we should be targeting

Hes a defensive beast with in ever improving offensive game. Would be great in small ball line ups



2.5 blocks, 2 steals and is shooting 32% from 3 (40% last year) . Ft% has been 75%+ the last 2 years

I don't know why but Reed is less impressive watching him than his stats. But you can't deny the analytics.


I think that's like Millsap. He just helps you win.
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yt_boi wrote:Paul Reed is who we should be targeting

Hes a defensive beast with in ever improving offensive game. Would be great in small ball line ups



2.5 blocks, 2 steals and is shooting 32% from 3 (40% last year) . Ft% has been 75%+ the last 2 years


Of course if he drops. He probably gets drafted before 25. Hopefully him or Jalen Smith!


I mentioned Paul Reed a few pages back. He'd be an obvious pick, but he's ranked much higher than where we're picking. So unless we're trading up he's likely out of reach.
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Post#285 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:12 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:I want a 6'8 SF scorer please. That's what we are missing


Saddiq Bey


I don't think S. Bey can create for myself, therefore, not sure how you categorize him as a scorer, but his effort is there, which is a very good fit in our system.

Meanwhile Nwora would be a scorer, a sharp shooter, but puts no effort on defense. Probably not someone we would consider, but can score.

Afterall, there maybe more than "SF scorer" we would be considering.


I mean, Klay Thompson can't create for himself either. He's a 20 point scorer, though. I think Bey can create a little off the dribble. In the few games I've seen his misses look pretty good. He's an underrated athlete and defender, too.
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Post#286 » by Indeed » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:39 pm

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Saddiq Bey


I don't think S. Bey can create for myself, therefore, not sure how you categorize him as a scorer, but his effort is there, which is a very good fit in our system.

Meanwhile Nwora would be a scorer, a sharp shooter, but puts no effort on defense. Probably not someone we would consider, but can score.

Afterall, there maybe more than "SF scorer" we would be considering.


I mean, Klay Thompson can't create for himself either. He's a 20 point scorer, though. I think Bey can create a little off the dribble. In the few games I've seen his misses look pretty good. He's an underrated athlete and defender, too.


Klay Thompson is a sharp shooter, he got points by catch and shoot, rather similar to Nwora instead.
However, I don't think Bey is the same, and I don't think he can create off the dribble at this level, perhaps some baseline drive, but without advance ball handling, it is difficult to assume he can create off the dribble. If he is capable, not surprised he is gone before our pick.
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Indeed wrote:
I don't think S. Bey can create for myself, therefore, not sure how you categorize him as a scorer, but his effort is there, which is a very good fit in our system.

Meanwhile Nwora would be a scorer, a sharp shooter, but puts no effort on defense. Probably not someone we would consider, but can score.

Afterall, there maybe more than "SF scorer" we would be considering.


I mean, Klay Thompson can't create for himself either. He's a 20 point scorer, though. I think Bey can create a little off the dribble. In the few games I've seen his misses look pretty good. He's an underrated athlete and defender, too.


Klay Thompson is a sharp shooter, he got points by catch and shoot, rather similar to Nwora instead.
However, I don't think Bey is the same, and I don't think he can create off the dribble at this level, perhaps some baseline drive, but without advance ball handling, it is difficult to assume he can create off the dribble. If he is capable, not surprised he is gone before our pick.


Bey's a sharp shooter, too. >5 3PA and shooting 46% at the moment. Increasing his 3PA in the NBA won't be difficult. He'll be taking 8-10 in the NBA. A couple of dunks in transition/off closeouts, a couple of free throws and he's at 20ppg.
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Post#288 » by nabbs » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:23 pm

I would be weary of any wing prospects in this draft. I think management we'll take a hard look at Brissett and Paul Watson. If either gets converted to a 1 way or remains on 2 ways with us, I feel like we'll be invested in their development. Both have shown a ton of growth over the duration of the season.

To me, we need to add size, rebounding and some sort of scoring option from 3/4 spot off the bench. I am thinking any offensively skilled guys that have projectable defensive ability is what management goes after (historically we have favoured the opposite as it seems we really trust our development system to get guys to catch up offensively).

I expect these guys to be in the rotation next year:

TD,Thomas, Boucher, Mccaw

- Brissett and Watson are super interesting and I think Brissett has a chance to crack the rotation. Hernandez to me has lost a year of development due to injury so I expect a lot more 905 reps next year. We're going to need a 4/5 with size to give us insurance as I expect we'll be bringing back at least 1 of Marc/Serge
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Post#289 » by Psubs » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:25 pm

nabbs wrote:I would be weary of any wing prospects in this draft. I think management we'll take a hard look at Brissett and Paul Watson. If either gets converted to a 1 way or remains on 2 ways with us, I feel like we'll be invested in their development. Both have shown a ton of growth over the duration of the season.

To me, we need to add size, rebounding and some sort of scoring option from 3/4 spot off the bench. I am thinking any offensively skilled guys that have projectable defensive ability is what management goes after (historically we have favoured the opposite as it seems we really trust our development system to get guys to catch up offensively).

I expect these guys to be in the rotation next year:

TD,Thomas, Boucher, Mccaw

- Brissett and Watson are super interesting and I think Brissett has a chance to crack the rotation. Hernandez to me has lost a year of development due to injury so I expect a lot more 905 reps next year. We're going to need a 4/5 with size to give us insurance as I expect we'll be bringing back at least 1 of Marc/Serge


Ya, I think Masai will keep trying to add players like Hernandez and Konate as Marc and Serge are getting old with only Boucher coming up right now. TD has for now created a logjam at guard. SF/PF and PF/C are the positions in need.
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Post#290 » by nabbs » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:31 pm

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nabbs wrote:I would be weary of any wing prospects in this draft. I think management we'll take a hard look at Brissett and Paul Watson. If either gets converted to a 1 way or remains on 2 ways with us, I feel like we'll be invested in their development. Both have shown a ton of growth over the duration of the season.

To me, we need to add size, rebounding and some sort of scoring option from 3/4 spot off the bench. I am thinking any offensively skilled guys that have projectable defensive ability is what management goes after (historically we have favoured the opposite as it seems we really trust our development system to get guys to catch up offensively).

I expect these guys to be in the rotation next year:

TD,Thomas, Boucher, Mccaw

- Brissett and Watson are super interesting and I think Brissett has a chance to crack the rotation. Hernandez to me has lost a year of development due to injury so I expect a lot more 905 reps next year. We're going to need a 4/5 with size to give us insurance as I expect we'll be bringing back at least 1 of Marc/Serge


Ya, I think Masai will keep trying to add players like Hernandez and Konate as Marc and Serge are getting old with only Boucher coming up right now. TD has for now created a logjam at guard. SF/PF and PF/C are the positions in need.


I definitely think we are trading one of our picks. Like I wonder what Mccaw, Stanley and a second fetch? I don't know I just think we'll really evaluate and try to free up some playing time because guys like Boucher, Thomas, TD have shown they can produce with real minutes for us. Combining the two way guys along with Boucher, TD, Thomas, Hernandez, Johnson, Mccaw and potentially two incoming draft picks? Definitely feels like we're going to unload some guys
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Post#291 » by TdotRap4Lyfe » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:19 pm

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nabbs wrote:I would be weary of any wing prospects in this draft. I think management we'll take a hard look at Brissett and Paul Watson. If either gets converted to a 1 way or remains on 2 ways with us, I feel like we'll be invested in their development. Both have shown a ton of growth over the duration of the season.

To me, we need to add size, rebounding and some sort of scoring option from 3/4 spot off the bench. I am thinking any offensively skilled guys that have projectable defensive ability is what management goes after (historically we have favoured the opposite as it seems we really trust our development system to get guys to catch up offensively).

I expect these guys to be in the rotation next year:

TD,Thomas, Boucher, Mccaw

- Brissett and Watson are super interesting and I think Brissett has a chance to crack the rotation. Hernandez to me has lost a year of development due to injury so I expect a lot more 905 reps next year. We're going to need a 4/5 with size to give us insurance as I expect we'll be bringing back at least 1 of Marc/Serge


Ya, I think Masai will keep trying to add players like Hernandez and Konate as Marc and Serge are getting old with only Boucher coming up right now. TD has for now created a logjam at guard. SF/PF and PF/C are the positions in need.

We haven't seen anything out of our young bigs outside of Boucher, and he isn't exactly young. I say we draft big men. We have great guards and wing players, but Serge and Marc will be around for only so long.
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Post#292 » by Indeed » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:27 pm

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I mean, Klay Thompson can't create for himself either. He's a 20 point scorer, though. I think Bey can create a little off the dribble. In the few games I've seen his misses look pretty good. He's an underrated athlete and defender, too.


Klay Thompson is a sharp shooter, he got points by catch and shoot, rather similar to Nwora instead.
However, I don't think Bey is the same, and I don't think he can create off the dribble at this level, perhaps some baseline drive, but without advance ball handling, it is difficult to assume he can create off the dribble. If he is capable, not surprised he is gone before our pick.


Bey's a sharp shooter, too. >5 3PA and shooting 46% at the moment. Increasing his 3PA in the NBA won't be difficult. He'll be taking 8-10 in the NBA. A couple of dunks in transition/off closeouts, a couple of free throws and he's at 20ppg.


Do you have his catch and shoot stats? Pull up 3 stats?
Shooting spot up does not qualify as a sharp shooter, you are aware of that, right? Sharp shooter does not need a lot of time for their release, and can shoot on the move.
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Post#293 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:28 pm

I doubt they're making too many plans too far in advance. You don't know what's available when, or how much it will cost to retain and obtain players in FA. If there's a good wing available in the draft, there's absolutely no way Paul Watson is standing in the way. I doubt they'll allow the team to get too young, either. Even McCaw is a "development" piece.
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Post#294 » by Indeed » Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:29 pm

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nabbs wrote:I would be weary of any wing prospects in this draft. I think management we'll take a hard look at Brissett and Paul Watson. If either gets converted to a 1 way or remains on 2 ways with us, I feel like we'll be invested in their development. Both have shown a ton of growth over the duration of the season.

To me, we need to add size, rebounding and some sort of scoring option from 3/4 spot off the bench. I am thinking any offensively skilled guys that have projectable defensive ability is what management goes after (historically we have favoured the opposite as it seems we really trust our development system to get guys to catch up offensively).

I expect these guys to be in the rotation next year:

TD,Thomas, Boucher, Mccaw

- Brissett and Watson are super interesting and I think Brissett has a chance to crack the rotation. Hernandez to me has lost a year of development due to injury so I expect a lot more 905 reps next year. We're going to need a 4/5 with size to give us insurance as I expect we'll be bringing back at least 1 of Marc/Serge


Ya, I think Masai will keep trying to add players like Hernandez and Konate as Marc and Serge are getting old with only Boucher coming up right now. TD has for now created a logjam at guard. SF/PF and PF/C are the positions in need.

We haven't seen anything out of our young bigs outside of Boucher, and he isn't exactly young. I say we draft big men. We have great guards and wing players, but Serge and Marc will be around for only so long.


I think forwards provide more impact these days, which is one reason we have been focusing so much on it.
As for replacement of Gasol and Ibaka, I don't think we can find them in the draft and expect them to be at that level. I am not surprised we look at FA or RFA, while keep the draft focusing with forwards.
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Post#295 » by Psubs » Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:31 pm

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nabbs wrote:I would be weary of any wing prospects in this draft. I think management we'll take a hard look at Brissett and Paul Watson. If either gets converted to a 1 way or remains on 2 ways with us, I feel like we'll be invested in their development. Both have shown a ton of growth over the duration of the season.

To me, we need to add size, rebounding and some sort of scoring option from 3/4 spot off the bench. I am thinking any offensively skilled guys that have projectable defensive ability is what management goes after (historically we have favoured the opposite as it seems we really trust our development system to get guys to catch up offensively).

I expect these guys to be in the rotation next year:

TD,Thomas, Boucher, Mccaw

- Brissett and Watson are super interesting and I think Brissett has a chance to crack the rotation. Hernandez to me has lost a year of development due to injury so I expect a lot more 905 reps next year. We're going to need a 4/5 with size to give us insurance as I expect we'll be bringing back at least 1 of Marc/Serge


Ya, I think Masai will keep trying to add players like Hernandez and Konate as Marc and Serge are getting old with only Boucher coming up right now. TD has for now created a logjam at guard. SF/PF and PF/C are the positions in need.


I definitely think we are trading one of our picks. Like I wonder what Mccaw, Stanley and a second fetch? I don't know I just think we'll really evaluate and try to free up some playing time because guys like Boucher, Thomas, TD have shown they can produce with real minutes for us. Combining the two way guys along with Boucher, TD, Thomas, Hernandez, Johnson, Mccaw and potentially two incoming draft picks? Definitely feels like we're going to unload some guys


Hmmm, so which teams need depth?

Sacramento? Parker for McCaw and Stanley? Bjelica for McCaw, Stanley and 2nd pick?

Detroit? Snell for McCaw, Stanley and 2nd pick

Washington? Ish Smith for McCaw, Stanley, 2nd pick and cash

PG Lowry - FVV - Ish
SG FVV - Davis - Thomas
SF OG - Powell
PF Siakam - OG - 1st pick
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Post#296 » by nabbs » Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:45 pm

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Psubs wrote:
Ya, I think Masai will keep trying to add players like Hernandez and Konate as Marc and Serge are getting old with only Boucher coming up right now. TD has for now created a logjam at guard. SF/PF and PF/C are the positions in need.


I definitely think we are trading one of our picks. Like I wonder what Mccaw, Stanley and a second fetch? I don't know I just think we'll really evaluate and try to free up some playing time because guys like Boucher, Thomas, TD have shown they can produce with real minutes for us. Combining the two way guys along with Boucher, TD, Thomas, Hernandez, Johnson, Mccaw and potentially two incoming draft picks? Definitely feels like we're going to unload some guys


Hmmm, so which teams need depth?

Sacramento? Parker for McCaw and Stanley? Bjelica for McCaw, Stanley and 2nd pick?

Detroit? Snell for McCaw, Stanley and 2nd pick

Washington? Ish Smith for McCaw, Stanley, 2nd pick and cash

PG Lowry - FVV - Ish
SG FVV - Davis - Thomas
SF OG - Powell
PF Siakam - OG - 1st pick
C Gasol - Ibaka? - Boucher


I'd personally love to get Richaun Holmes off Sac. Mccaw, Johnson, 2020 2nd, 2022 2nd should get it done. They'll have to keep 1 of Giles and Len. They are going to be really thin on the wing.

Draft a 4 man and convert Brissett to a full time guy

Kyle/Davis
Fred/Thomas/second rounder
OG/Powell/Brissett
Pascal/1st rounder
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Post#297 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:17 pm

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Do you have his catch and shoot stats? Pull up 3 stats?
Shooting spot up does not qualify as a sharp shooter, you are aware of that, right? Sharp shooter does not need a lot of time for their release, and can shoot on the move.


I don't have his stats, but they certainly run plays for him off screens. His release is very quick. I know that Klay isn't a real threat to pull up. Only really in transition, and his reps are generally low.
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Post#298 » by Dalek » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:20 pm

I know most people are leaning on size and athleticism, but looking at overall growth, court awareness, scoring and quick burst, it is hard to ignore Devon Dotson.



He really reminds me of VanVleet in college with better speed and finishing ability.

In the clip you see him attacking the basket and kicking out to shooters, strip ballhandlers on defense, make post entry passes and be a one man fastbreak.

Despite looking about 6-1 he plays bigger than his size. It is mainly about playing with an edge. You can tell this guy would fit in here.
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Post#299 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:29 pm

Dalek wrote:I know most people are leaning on size and athleticism, but looking at overall growth, court awareness, scoring and quick burst, it is hard to ignore Devon Dotson.



He really reminds me of VanVleet in college with better speed and finishing ability.

In the clip you see him attacking the basket and kicking out to shooters, strip ballhandlers on defense, make post entry passes and be a one man fastbreak.

Despite looking about 6-1 he plays bigger than his size. It is mainly about playing with an edge. You can tell this guy would fit in here.


I think he's closer to Lowry in college. VanVleet was a subpar athlete, this kid plays a very athletic game and thrives in the paint. Definitely cut from the same cloth as these guys and has that "winner" vibe.
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Post#300 » by ill-Will03 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:37 pm

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yt_boi wrote:Paul Reed is who we should be targeting

Hes a defensive beast with in ever improving offensive game. Would be great in small ball line ups



2.5 blocks, 2 steals and is shooting 32% from 3 (40% last year) . Ft% has been 75%+ the last 2 years


Of course if he drops. He probably gets drafted before 25. Hopefully him or Jalen Smith!


I mentioned Paul Reed a few pages back. He'd be an obvious pick, but he's ranked much higher than where we're picking. So unless we're trading up he's likely out of reach.



Really? I've seen him in and around our range 24-30, I think he'll be in play when its our time to pick. Especially considering DePaul is struggling as a team. He definitely seems like a Masai type of player

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