Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Fairview4Life]

How long do you imagine it will take to achieve this?

Start pressuring your member of parliament to get the **** going on this then. The idea that you just sit around and wait and then it's safe to reopen is just idiocy. You need a plan and mitigation steps for when people start getting infected again, otherwise there is no point. Like "ok guys, it's safe to go back in the water" doesn't make any sense when the damn shark is still swimming around.

[720]

I still don’t qualify for cerb.

[Vaclac]

Why do we keep having a discussion about reopening the economy as if it would go back to normal while a whole whack of people are out sick or dead? Like, even if we did this stupid "let's sacrifice a bunch of people for stock prices" plan, the economy would still actually be terrible until the disease can be managed.

Stock prices are not the reason to restart the economy, and frankly it's a disgusting talking point to say that you could only be concerned about economic impacts if you care more about your money than other people's lives. The people hurt by this economic collapse are mostly not people wealthy enough to own many stocks. Millions of Canadians have already lost their jobs and the number keeps rising and will continue to do so as long as we continue trying to freeze the entire economy.

[galeon110]

Whoops.

0.1% died in one month, which works out to an annualized death rate of around 1.2%, which is still astronomical. To put that in perspective, in 2018, less than 1% of US residents died of all causes combined.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm#Summary

Why would you take the monthly death rate when the virus is at/near it's peak and annualize it? That doesn't make any sense.

Regardless of which side of the debate you are on regarding when to open the economy, spreading "stats" like this around don't help anyone.

And it's still not .1% of the population of New York anyways. 14,828 have passed away in total as of today, New York state has a population of 19,450,000.

Yes. Also the relevant number to assess whether what we're doing is worth it is not the total number of covid deaths in a scenario where we do nothing anyway. It is the difference in deaths between what we're doing, and what would happen with less restrictive measures. If you assumed that you could prevent people from ever getting infected, then yes, you could just look at the NY numbers and assume you are saving that amount of lives elsewhere by implementing these measures. But, if you assume what you're doing is not to prevent a second spike, but spread out the rate of infection so that the healthcare system can give people the best possible care when they do get sick, then the only deaths actually saved by the measures are those that occurred as a result of the healthcare system being unable to care for people. What fraction of New York deaths have been caused by that? No doubt they have had to stretch very hard, building field hospitals and acquiring far more ventilators, but I have not read any reports that people were turned away in New York because they were overcapacity or anyone needing a ventilator not having one available. Certainly Cuomo has said that.

You're assuming the only health problem that these medical institutions and society as a whole have to tackle is COVID-19. You've conveniently brushed aside all the other "regular" medical conditions that you and I, and the rest of us have to deal with on a "regular" day. How about those that require medical resources for surgeries? cancer? anyone that requires an ICU bed? I personally know a handful of people who have had to delay major surgeries due to the lack of medical resources or safe environments. What does it have to take for people like you to understand that it's not about you, or me, or anyone on the outside, it's about the people who are inside that we're taking all these precautions and measures for. None of this **** will matter if the healthcare system collapses on itself. Unless a major reform in healthcare system takes place on a global scale, which specifically tackles the containment of COVID-19 AND servicing the hundreds of other conditions that require attention, social distancing and extreme measures are the only available solutions right now. Of course, there's also the vaccine that the entire world is so desperately waiting for.

[Fairview4Life]

Why do we keep having a discussion about reopening the economy as if it would go back to normal while a whole whack of people are out sick or dead? Like, even if we did this stupid "let's sacrifice a bunch of people for stock prices" plan, the economy would still actually be terrible until the disease can be managed.

Stock prices are not the reason to restart the economy, and frankly it's a disgusting talking point to say that you could only be concerned about economic impacts if you care more about your money than other people's lives. The people hurt by this economic collapse are mostly not people wealthy enough to own many stocks. Millions of Canadians have already lost their jobs and the number keeps rising and will continue to do so as long as we continue trying to freeze the entire economy.

Print money. There s no risk of inflation. Borrowing is incredibly cheap at the moment. You can provide a safety net and protect people all at once. If you're not worried about stock prices then worrying about the debt is just as dumb.

[omar36]

happy govt announced funding for students. I know still many arent eliglable for help but they atleast helps 1-2 million students in caanda get by summer.

curious what it means by if u are taking care of someone, u get additional funding. How does one prove that?

[DIEHARD_005]

Yeah, I feel for all you students looking for summer work or even worse, looking to graduate at a time like this.

I graduated in 2011 and remember some of my older friends graduating in 08/09 talking about how bad the job market was. Hell, even in 2011 it took me about 8-9 months to find my first fulltime job. This is way worse of a situation to be walking into.

Glad the govt is trying to help where they can.

[Basketball_Jones]

I'm honestly a bit worried about my job security now. Working remote has me literally doing almost nothing nowadays. In the office there seems to be more communication and delegation of work to me, now I'm just kind of on stand by. There were layoffs not far before covid hit, I can easily see another round with me included. If it does happen I hope it's only a temp layoff. Anybody else struggling with remote work? It's great a couple of times a week, but every single day just isn't for me.

[Kevin Willis]

happy govt announced funding for students. I know still many arent eliglable for help but they atleast helps 1-2 million students in caanda get by summer.

curious what it means by if u are taking care of someone, u get additional funding. How does one prove that?

Taxes. Everything will be driven by taxes. When you get a child you have to report it to the government. Plus some of the benefits you request will let them know AND they can always ask for more evidence at any time.

[Kevin Willis]

Watch on YouTube

I realize this could become bad. The concern is the effect of the experimental medication they were given has some drastic side effects.

[omar36]

I'm honestly a bit worried about my job security now. Working remote has me literally doing almost nothing nowadays. In the office there seems to be more communication and delegation of work to me, now I'm just kind of on stand by. There were layoffs not far before covid hit, I can easily see another round with me included. If it does happen I hope it's only a temp layoff. Anybody else struggling with remote work? It's great a couple of times a week, but every single day just isn't for me.

i have a few friendds doing it that are losing their minds while my brother loves it. gets up whenever he feels like it, works his 8 hours and thats it. for some its good, others who are more out-going, prob boring as hell. I think alot of business is slow but i would hope they dont layoff anymore people. I was under the ipression govt offered supports for companies that help them reach the wages they pay to their employees?

[bape_lovers]

I love it, honestly, I'm more productive, can do things that I like to do during breaks, and can eat lunch more healthier too

I'm honestly a bit worried about my job security now. Working remote has me literally doing almost nothing nowadays. In the office there seems to be more communication and delegation of work to me, now I'm just kind of on stand by. There were layoffs not far before covid hit, I can easily see another round with me included. If it does happen I hope it's only a temp layoff. Anybody else struggling with remote work? It's great a couple of times a week, but every single day just isn't for me.

i have a few friendds doing it that are losing their minds while my brother loves it. gets up whenever he feels like it, works his 8 hours and thats it. for some its good, others who are more out-going, prob boring as hell. I think alot of business is slow but i would hope they dont layoff anymore people. I was under the ipression govt offered supports for companies that help them reach the wages they pay to their employees?

[omar36]

happy govt announced funding for students. I know still many arent eliglable for help but they atleast helps 1-2 million students in caanda get by summer.

curious what it means by if u are taking care of someone, u get additional funding. How does one prove that?

Taxes. Everything will be driven by taxes. When you get a child you have to report it to the government. Plus some of the benefits you request will let them know AND they can always ask for more evidence at any time.

ah tru, totally didnt even think about students and kids. was thinking about if a student has to take care of a diabled parent ot something.

[Basketball_Jones]

I'm honestly a bit worried about my job security now. Working remote has me literally doing almost nothing nowadays. In the office there seems to be more communication and delegation of work to me, now I'm just kind of on stand by. There were layoffs not far before covid hit, I can easily see another round with me included. If it does happen I hope it's only a temp layoff. Anybody else struggling with remote work? It's great a couple of times a week, but every single day just isn't for me.

i have a few friendds doing it that are losing their minds while my brother loves it. gets up whenever he feels like it, works his 8 hours and thats it. for some its good, others who are more out-going, prob boring as hell. I think alot of business is slow but i would hope they dont layoff anymore people. I was under the ipression govt offered supports for companies that help them reach the wages they pay to their employees?

Yeah, interesting thing is I kind of work within the gov. public sector. They've made layoffs more due to certain people or departments not adding enough value and filling their operational needs. So I am pretty much screwed if they realize I hardly do anything for them nowadays. And I'll be honest, I really don't think they need me all that much. Remote working only magnifies that.

[Susp3ct]

I'm honestly a bit worried about my job security now. Working remote has me literally doing almost nothing nowadays. In the office there seems to be more communication and delegation of work to me, now I'm just kind of on stand by. There were layoffs not far before covid hit, I can easily see another round with me included. If it does happen I hope it's only a temp layoff. Anybody else struggling with remote work? It's great a couple of times a week, but every single day just isn't for me.

i have a few friendds doing it that are losing their minds while my brother loves it. gets up whenever he feels like it, works his 8 hours and thats it. for some its good, others who are more out-going, prob boring as hell. I think alot of business is slow but i would hope they dont layoff anymore people. I was under the ipression govt offered supports for companies that help them reach the wages they pay to their employees?

Yeah, interesting thing is I kind of work within the gov. public sector. They've made layoffs more due to certain people or departments not adding enough value and filling their operational needs. So I am pretty much screwed if they realize I hardly do anything for them nowadays. And I'll be honest, I really don't think they need me all that much. Remote working only magnifies that.

I’m also in the public sector, new fiscal year budget will definitely be filled with budget cuts and likely furloughs or layoffs. Most cities are losing millions of dollars per week and month due to no sales tax revenue, hotel tax revenue, etc.

Let’s hope for the best

[omar36]

i have a few friendds doing it that are losing their minds while my brother loves it. gets up whenever he feels like it, works his 8 hours and thats it. for some its good, others who are more out-going, prob boring as hell. I think alot of business is slow but i would hope they dont layoff anymore people. I was under the ipression govt offered supports for companies that help them reach the wages they pay to their employees?

Yeah, interesting thing is I kind of work within the gov. public sector. They've made layoffs more due to certain people or departments not adding enough value and filling their operational needs. So I am pretty much screwed if they realize I hardly do anything for them nowadays. And I'll be honest, I really don't think they need me all that much. Remote working only magnifies that.

I’m also in the public sector, new fiscal year budget will definitely be filled with budget cuts and likely furloughs or layoffs. Most cities are losing millions of dollars per week and month due to no sales tax revenue, hotel tax revenue, etc.

Let’s hope for the best

well someone charismatic start up some protests about how the government is taking away our freedoms and just fine whoever shows up. theres the revenue

[Section_306]

I still don’t qualify for cerb.

why?

[jaymeister15]

20 000 actually, and there's no indication this has plateaued. Yesterday the US recorded its highest amount of deaths at just under 3000. We were told this virus hit its peak a week ago when it hit 2000. Right now they're averaging 2000 a day.

I was wrong about the 14k, googled it and that was the result showing on the right hand size of the page, I should've checked that.

It may or may not be the exact peak of the virus, but my point was you can't take the number of monthly deaths at the highest point of a virus and annualize that if you are trying to give a realistic picture of the damage it's causing. If that were the case, someone arguing the other way may as well take the number of deaths in Feb. multiplied out by 12 and show it's no big deal.

New York was obviously hard hit, and I'm not trying to minimize the impact it has had on the people living there, my only issue was the implication from the original post that 1+% of the the state's population is going to be killed by it.

[VicG]

Numbers keep looking good! Everyone's sacrifices have really helped with the curve. Talks in the next week or so are definitely going to focus on how to start re-opening things. I have to say I have no idea how they are going to manage this in Toronto. I won't take the TTC for the rest of the summer for sure, I'd rather walk the 50 min to work then get stuck on the 501 streetcar.

They are going to have to start with re-opening though. The numbers are trending positively and people are starting to lose it. Add in the fact that the median age of death in Toronto is 85, and you have most of the population itching to go back and earn their livelihoods.

I think we are all going to have to live with a certain amount of risk in the next year or so. Just got to keep up safe practices and be aware of others. Gonna be tough but Ontario has done a hell of a job so far.

[720]

I still don’t qualify for cerb.

why?

I only made 4800 bucks last year.