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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#281 » by mdenny » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:40 am

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Senor Waffles wrote:I'm in shambles

2 off-seasons in a row. Stay tuned for next off-season when Masai leaves.


This is what we’re built for as Raps fans


I love serge but you guys got to be kidding.

He didn't even see the floor during crunch time when we were facing elimination. He was our sixth man.

Fred was the key guy. If he left...our whole future was in jeopardy. Signing serge would've done the opposite....putting our future in jeopardy. None of this is controversial with anyone in the know. It's why serge wasn't even mentioned by our GM during interviews leading up to the free agent period.

Fred generates wins. I love serge...but he's not a win generator.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#282 » by Rapsalot » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:43 am

First year Serge was not good at all then last two very good. This is a terrible blow to team. We have no rebounding.
Worst thing is we could have paid him more for one year then they did in two. Yes I don’t mind going into tax for one year to make the math work for future cap.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#283 » by TheRealDeal » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:44 am

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C_Money wrote:2 off-seasons in a row. Stay tuned for next off-season when Masai leaves.


This is what we’re built for as Raps fans


I love serge but you guys got to be kidding.

He didn't even see the floor during crunch time when we were facing elimination. He was our sixth man.

Fred was the key guy. If he left...our whole future was in jeopardy. Signing serge would've done the opposite....putting our future in jeopardy. None of this is controversial with anyone in the know. It's why serge wasn't even mentioned by our GM during interviews leading up to the free agent period.

Fred generates wins. I love serge...but he's not a win generator.


If you read the post he’s talking about us losing Kawhi, Serge and Masai in consecutive offseasons
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#284 » by RaptorNews » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:44 am

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Senor Waffles wrote:I'm in shambles

2 off-seasons in a row. Stay tuned for next off-season when Masai leaves.


Thank god we got our title, I’m getting PTSD and assuming we will be signing Wiggins to a second max when BC returns to run things
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#285 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:44 am

They offered more years, he like playing with Kawhi. Plus, we keep cap flexibility for 2021.

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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#286 » by bballsparkin » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:45 am

And people thought Harrell was a deal!
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#287 » by Yallbecrazy » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:47 am

Just realized 2nd year is a player option. Serge has crossed into enemy lines for a year to grab Kawhi and bring him home
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#288 » by mdenny » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:48 am

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This is what we’re built for as Raps fans


I love serge but you guys got to be kidding.

He didn't even see the floor during crunch time when we were facing elimination. He was our sixth man.

Fred was the key guy. If he left...our whole future was in jeopardy. Signing serge would've done the opposite....putting our future in jeopardy. None of this is controversial with anyone in the know. It's why serge wasn't even mentioned by our GM during interviews leading up to the free agent period.

Fred generates wins. I love serge...but he's not a win generator.


If you read the post he’s talking about us losing Kawhi, Serge and Masai in consecutive offseasons


I know.

Losing serge does not constitute a bad off season. Losing fred would have. This is the exact off season everyone should have been expecting. Unless they don't understand the raptor's plan. Which they've made abundantly clear in public statements and interviews.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#289 » by C_Money » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:50 am

mdenny wrote:
TheRealDeal wrote:
C_Money wrote:2 off-seasons in a row. Stay tuned for next off-season when Masai leaves.


This is what we’re built for as Raps fans


I love serge but you guys got to be kidding.

He didn't even see the floor during crunch time when we were facing elimination. He was our sixth man.

Fred was the key guy. If he left...our whole future was in jeopardy. Signing serge would've done the opposite....putting our future in jeopardy. None of this is controversial with anyone in the know. It's why serge wasn't even mentioned by our GM during interviews leading up to the free agent period.

Fred generates wins. I love serge...but he's not a win generator.

Disagreed. Serge was our best Center and we lost him for nothing. This is not a recipe for success.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#290 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:51 am

He's a 31 year old C.

You can't pay them all, you have to make choices.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#291 » by riff_raff » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:52 am

BIF PENUS bros unite!
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#292 » by Raps in 4 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:56 am

****, I hate the Clippers. I won't be able to cheer for him.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#293 » by Madvillainy2004 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:58 am

Raps in 4 wrote:****, I hate the Clippers. I won't be able to cheer for him.


Such a poverty franchise the way they paraded around and acted like they were defending champs last yr always rubbed me the wrong way.

I hate how playing in LA makes you have things on easy mode lol.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#294 » by alan_156 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:59 am

I will always believe in Masai, he has better plans
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#295 » by UneducatedFan86 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:01 am

mdenny wrote:
TheRealDeal wrote:
C_Money wrote:2 off-seasons in a row. Stay tuned for next off-season when Masai leaves.


This is what we’re built for as Raps fans


I love serge but you guys got to be kidding.

He didn't even see the floor during crunch time when we were facing elimination. He was our sixth man.

Fred was the key guy. If he left...our whole future was in jeopardy. Signing serge would've done the opposite....putting our future in jeopardy. None of this is controversial with anyone in the know. It's why serge wasn't even mentioned by our GM during interviews leading up to the free agent period.

Fred generates wins. I love serge...but he's not a win generator.


As someone who didn't really care if either Ibaka or VanVleet came back because I don't see this team contending next year; if you don't think Ibaka had a very positive impact on this team and impacted wins, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, you can look into Win Shares. Fred does have a higher WS (5.8 vs 3.9) but in the playoffs, Ibaka had a slight edge (1.3 vs 1.2). And just to compare the year prior, Ibaka was 6.1 vs Fred's 4.3 - with both playing a similar amount of minutes, unlike this season.

And there lies the problem, Fred has had numerous struggles in the playoffs and has shown that he isn't the best at running the team. When his shot is on, he's good and it opens up the floor. But there are many times where his shot isn't falling and he'll force his game and it just becomes ugly to watch. Plus, he's one of the worst offensive players from the 3-point line in. That isn't good and isn't easily fixable because It has a lot to do with his size and him not being overly athletic.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#296 » by mdenny » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:03 am

C_Money wrote:
mdenny wrote:
TheRealDeal wrote:
This is what we’re built for as Raps fans


I love serge but you guys got to be kidding.

He didn't even see the floor during crunch time when we were facing elimination. He was our sixth man.

Fred was the key guy. If he left...our whole future was in jeopardy. Signing serge would've done the opposite....putting our future in jeopardy. None of this is controversial with anyone in the know. It's why serge wasn't even mentioned by our GM during interviews leading up to the free agent period.

Fred generates wins. I love serge...but he's not a win generator.

Disagreed. Serge was our best Center and we lost him for nothing. This is not a recipe for success.


I'd have taken Gasol over serge as our best center but fair enough.

It's notable that we couldn't play him against Theis in the fourth quarter of games 6 and 7. We were willing to give up a huge rebounding disadvantage just so they couldn't kill us in the pick and roll and from the 3 point line.

No disrespect to serge...he's not in our long term plans and he didnt want to sign a one year deal.

It would have been insane to jeopardize our max slot next season for a guy that we benched when facing elimination LAST season.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#297 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:05 am

The fact that we held onto that cap space should indicate we really think we have a shot.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#298 » by mdenny » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:05 am

UneducatedFan86 wrote:
mdenny wrote:
TheRealDeal wrote:
This is what we’re built for as Raps fans


I love serge but you guys got to be kidding.

He didn't even see the floor during crunch time when we were facing elimination. He was our sixth man.

Fred was the key guy. If he left...our whole future was in jeopardy. Signing serge would've done the opposite....putting our future in jeopardy. None of this is controversial with anyone in the know. It's why serge wasn't even mentioned by our GM during interviews leading up to the free agent period.

Fred generates wins. I love serge...but he's not a win generator.


As someone who didn't really care if either Ibaka or VanVleet came back because I don't see this team contending next year; if you don't think Ibaka had a very positive impact on this team and impacted wins, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, you can look into Win Shares. Fred does have a higher WS (5.8 vs 3.9) but in the playoffs, Ibaka had a slight edge (1.3 vs 1.2). And just to compare the year prior, Ibaka was 6.1 vs Fred's 4.3 - with both playing a similar amount of minutes, unlike this season.

And there lies the problem, Fred has had numerous struggles in the playoffs and has shown that he isn't the best at running the team. When his shot is on, he's good and it opens up the floor. But there are many times where his shot isn't falling and he'll force his game and it just becomes ugly to watch. Plus, he's one of the worst offensive players from the 3-point line in. That isn't good and isn't easily fixable because It has a lot to do with his size and him not being overly athletic.


I don't know what to tell you.

In my opinion....u are drastically overvaluing Serge and drastically undervaluing Fred.

That's how Masai and Bobby see it too and they made that position pretty clear all along. That's also what the nba market thinks.
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#299 » by Madvillainy2004 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:07 am

Welp ive followed the Baynes fan club account for like a ye on twitter I guess it was destiny for him to join the Raptors lol
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Re: Shams:Ibaka to the Clippers 2 yrs 19 million 

Post#300 » by SurgeIblocka » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:09 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The fact that we held onto that cap space should indicate we really think we have a shot.


No the fact that we held on to the one lottery ticket while Miami and Dallas have 100 tickets bought. I admire your optimism, but those two teams situations are far better than ours. Majority of free agents would choose those destinations over us.

There is a reason that Miami’s free agents like Dragic signed a 1 year contract. They have more confidence than us. Why didn’t Serge do the same?

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