Summer League Thread Part 4: Aug 14th Charlotte @7pm TSN2

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That Orlando made no effort to trade up to get Suggs, means they would probably be just as happy with Barnes too.

Masai and Weltman scouted Barnes together at the combine. He may have gotten a sense of Masai's excitement and thought he was likely to draft him.

Doesn't sound like Masai to show his hand.

Weltman is a long time friend. He could be more open with him.

Several reporters also knew he was our pick, so clearly we let it slip at some point.

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Yup Draymond belong as low first round picks. I would rather have drafted a boom or bust potentially dominant offensive player with this pick. It’s not hard to create great defenders. Offends is a natural gift

Tell that to kawhi when he entered the league

It's insane to say its not hard to create great defenders. The best defenders in the league were already good defenders in college. Defense is a natural gift.

Agreed, defense is actually harder to develop.
Defense is primarily a mentality thing, as well as an athletic thing. It's hard to change someone's mindset - you have to be the guy that relishes playing defense to become elite at it. It has to be your priority. Look at all the best defenders in the league - they came into the league playing defense from the start. I don't know many scorers that came into the league and vastly improved their defence to all-NBA levels. On the flip side, some of the top scorers in the league were developed over the years rather than being 20ppg scorers out of the gate.

Scoring, at least to the above average level, is easier to develop if the tools are there (and they are for Barnes). You can work on form, you can work on finishing through contact, stuff like that. There's still a killer instinct mentality that's needed for the greatest scorers, but I don't think any of the prospects in this draft except maybe Green, has that in them.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Just because someone is a project & raw doesn't mean they don't deserve to go high. Players are usually ranked on their perceived potential

If Barnes hits, you basically got a player who is the exact archetype of the future. 6'9 playmaker that can cover all positions. That's why he went #4.

Guys like Suggs, Sengun, Jalen Johnson, Bouknight etc WILL look better than Scottie on most nights this season

Save yourself the headache and don't meltdown when Barnes has an unproductive night while some other rookie just popped off for 20.

usually you go for a more sure player at #4 esp if they are more ready players

I'd argue the exact opposite. When you do get to draft at the top of the draft, you should draft the guy you think has the highest ceiling, not the "more sure player". You draft the NBA-ready player towards the end of the lotto/draft, because it's unlikely anyone you draft there has a high enough ceiling to be a star.

ya if there is always a redraft and you see guys picked in the later picks being in the top because they weren't NBA ready but they turned out to be the best player down the road.

I rather have that guy^

but Barnes wasn't going to escape the top 5-6 picks anyways - lets be honest with that right now. He got moved down the draft boards because he just isn't NBA ready as Suggs but you can see the raw talent on the floor when he's playing. his head up while handling the ball, court awareness, his length, his jumpshot preparedness, his defense, etc.

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I like that he has a tendency to drive with left hand (his non dominant hand), shows he has potential to be effective getting to the rim with either hand when he gets more comfortable.

[garbagnani]

Scottie only took 8 shots vs 17 for kuminga.

Three of Scottie’s misses came on one possession where he kept getting his own rebound and missing again. He was way more efficient than kuminga.

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He starts finishing those and he'll be tough. He's getting to the rim now with 3 point shot he'll be a nightmare.

he looks like a baby giannis

When Giannis was drafted he was 6'9 like Barnes. Giannis just happened to grow 2 more inches and dunked on the drives instead of layups like Pascal.

[Marty_Budda]

It's only 2 summer league games, but Suggs is obviously better than Barnes at this point. If a 4th pick ceiling is Draymond Green, we have failed this draft big time.

We always knew Suggs was going to be a better player coming into the league. Barnes is probably the most raw prospect out of the top-5. It'll likely be at least 2-3 years before he becomes a productive player.

Yup Draymond belong as low first round picks. I would rather have drafted a boom or bust potentially dominant offensive player with this pick. It’s not hard to create great defenders. Offends is a natural gift

Please let me know of some players that were piss poor coming into the league defensively and ended up as all nba defenders.

I’ll wait. I doubt you can even think of one.

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When Barnes had the ball in his hand good stuff happened. Our coach just did a poor job of actually getting the team to understand that.

Everyone just kept going for their own numbers. Especial Malachi which was weird to see because he’s normally not like that. It was a lot of selfish basketball yesterday.

[Dalek]

I hope we are not developing another OG with that development regiment. We should mold Barnes as a Giannis and not a OG… IMO Barnes should be developed as a big PG, take advantage of his size against 6’6 and below opponents. What’s the point of playing him as a SF/PF where he can’t take advantage using his size against guys who are similar in height/weight?

Bobby said in his interview that they are developing Barnes to be a playoff forward who can defend, handle, pass and score which to me is like Siakam.

In the interim Bobby said he would be a defender and ball mover. Obviously with FVV, Siakam, OG they don't think we need a primary. Scottie will fill a role to be a defensive chaos creator. I just hope he plays with non bench guys too.

You want a forward type, so you draft a long player with a point-guard mentality? I don't get it.

I don't know if Scottie is a natural PG. He is a good passer and he likes to see his teammate get buckets, but you can see from his third quarter that he is also willing to put the team on his back and look for his shot. I think they just drafted a multi-skilled player that is adaptable to a number of roles, is a worker and has crazy size/mobility ratio. There is just a lot to like from a base level with him.

[Mark_83]

People upset we didn't get Suggs, but after last night I'm wondering if Kuminga is the guy we'll rend up regretting not drafting. He's raw but he already has all the skills to mold. He can shoot, handle, pass, attack the rim, explosive athleticism. He doesn't really need to add anything, just refine and improve what's there. He's also one of the youngest guys in the draft.

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Masai and Weltman scouted Barnes together at the combine. He may have gotten a sense of Masai's excitement and thought he was likely to draft him.

Doesn't sound like Masai to show his hand.

Weltman is a long time friend. He could be more open with him.

Several reporters also knew he was our pick, so clearly we let it slip at some point.

I feel like Weltman would have picked one of Kuminga or Barnes with his pick. The magic had 3 point guards before Suggs even got there. But once we went away from consensus they dropped all their plans and went with BPA which was Suggs.

Honestly Kuminga even with how raw he is might have been the better option for the Magic long term.

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He starts finishing those and he'll be tough. He's getting to the rim now with 3 point shot he'll be a nightmare.

He went to the line like 5-6 times. It was so much I lost count lol

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He starts finishing those and he'll be tough. He's getting to the rim now with 3 point shot he'll be a nightmare.

He went to the line like 5-6 times. It was so much I lost count lol

Yeah, people were knocking him for not finishing, but I liked the aggression. He went to the line on almost every drive.

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How do you see Wainright 2 games into the Summer League?
From our team, 7th to 9th rotation guy? 10th to 12th rotation guy?

Stanley Johnson spot.

I can kind of relate him to Stanley Johnson, just not sure about his 3 point shooting being an upgrade or not. Meanwhile, not sure if we have Watanabe ahead of him as well.

If we have our starters in VanVleet/Dragic/OG/Siakam/Birch, then our bench with Flynn/Trent/Barnes/Boucher/Achiuwa? Not sure if we will have Wainright and Watanabe getting any minutes.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

People upset we didn't get Suggs, but after last night I'm wondering if Kuminga is the guy we'll rend up regretting not drafting. He's raw but he already has all the skills to mold. He can shoot, handle, pass, attack the rim, explosive athleticism. He doesn't really need to add anything, just refine and improve what's there. He's also one of the youngest guys in the draft.

Quite possible. I like his disposition, to borrow a Casey word.

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People upset we didn't get Suggs, but after last night I'm wondering if Kuminga is the guy we'll rend up regretting not drafting. He's raw but he already has all the skills to mold. He can shoot, handle, pass, attack the rim, explosive athleticism. He doesn't really need to add anything, just refine and improve what's there. He's also one of the youngest guys in the draft.

I didn't think Kuminga looked that good yesterday. He was just chucking.

[HolyMage110]

Let Barnes play PG while flynn plays the sg

[NotMyKawhi]

Barnes needs to use all energy yelling and screaming, in the gym practicing his Jump shot

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People upset we didn't get Suggs, but after last night I'm wondering if Kuminga is the guy we'll rend up regretting not drafting. He's raw but he already has all the skills to mold. He can shoot, handle, pass, attack the rim, explosive athleticism. He doesn't really need to add anything, just refine and improve what's there. He's also one of the youngest guys in the draft.

I was a big Cade and Kuminga all year but once he started dropping in mocks and people kept bringing up his inefficiency in the gleague I laid off and lost the big picture.

The kid is only 18. He’s a full year younger if not more than all the rookies in this draft and he’s already this dynamic.

Think about how good he can be in a couple years after he polished his game up and becomes somewhat efficient.

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Barnes is averaging 15/9/3 in SL but with some mediocre efficiency. He has a long way to go on offense but some of you talk like he's been a scrub out there.