Toronto Star: Edward Rogers fought plans to keep Raptors’ Masai Ujiri

[Quattro]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

Hey, it worked on a lot of people here didn't it? Check mate.

So what's your point exactly?

First your position was essentially "well, it's weird that Masai brought someone to film the meeting. You can't blame Ed for being suspicious"

The counter was, "The guy wasn't filming the meeting, and nowhere was it claimed that he filmed the meeting. Ed was just making uninformed assumptions because he's a buffoon"

And your response is, "Stop being a pawn! They're obviously just trying to make Ed look bad!"

Whenever your nonsense gets countered, whether it's here or in the anti-vax thread, your 'go-to' move is just to claim that everyone else is just a pawn for not seeing the big picture.

Oh... what a brilliant and insightful perspective you must have on the wiles of the world!

So you think this isn't about RCI power struggle? Public opinion is often utilized, that's a common go to move. Just coincidence this Masai story came out days afterwards? Why didn't it come out weeks ago? Nothing that I'm saying is unusual in the business world. This crap is routine.

Of course that’s why it came out now. You don’t need to be as smart as you seem to think you are to come to that conclusion. That does t mean it isn’t true. They cited sources directly on the board and they’re not making vague accusations. They’re referencing very specific conversations/events/ and demands made by Rogers. They conclude by saying he was overruled by LT and complained to Silver.

I’m sure Rogers has his own version of events but it beggars belief that someone fabricated this entire story. It’s just not plausible particularly since the reporting done here is in a newspaper that presumably still has journalistic standards in terms of vetting sources rather than some random fool blogging on the net. This isn’t some story about a player wanting a trade either. You’d better believe that they didn’t run this story without having confirmed sources.

[Ranger One]

RIP Blue Jays.

[2019nbachamps]

Seems like story was leaked by member of Rogers family fighting Ed. They know Masai is universally liked so hope the story will undermine Ed in their boardroom squabble. Unfortunately I can’t see this story having much of an impact since the family squabble is a private matter and none of us can really do anything about this other than express our disdain at Ed.

[Ramako]

Hey, it worked on a lot of people here didn't it? Check mate.

So what's your point exactly?

First your position was essentially "well, it's weird that Masai brought someone to film the meeting. You can't blame Ed for being suspicious"

The counter was, "The guy wasn't filming the meeting, and nowhere was it claimed that he filmed the meeting. Ed was just making uninformed assumptions because he's a buffoon"

And your response is, "Stop being a pawn! They're obviously just trying to make Ed look bad!"

Whenever your nonsense gets countered, whether it's here or in the anti-vax thread, your 'go-to' move is just to claim that everyone else is just a pawn for not seeing the big picture.

Oh... what a brilliant and insightful perspective you must have on the wiles of the world!

So you think this isn't about RCI power struggle? Public opinion is often utilized, that's a common go to move. Just coincidence this Masai story came out days afterwards? Why didn't it come out weeks ago? Nothing that I'm saying is unusual in the business world. This crap is routine.

So what part of...

Obviously there's way more at play here than Ed's buffoonery, including the mechanism within the family trust that empowers him to turnover the board, and whether he observed the proper practices in wielding that power. That doesn't detract from the fact that he is, indeed, a buffoon.

And obviously this news was leaked as a PR salvo within the context of this power struggle. Do you think that's like a profound revelation to literally anybody anywhere?

...makes you think that I don't believe that this is part of a larger power struggle?

In fact, where did I ever claim that this wasn't part of a larger power struggle?

That's a strawman that you injected into the argument, apropos of nothing, for some bizarre reason.

For someone with such a deep and savvy perspective on these issues that are far too complex for my little sheep brain, you sure have some problems with reading comprehension. Must be why you completely misread the article as stating that Masai was filming the meeting.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Masai is just incredible at PR and embodying Canadian values as a leader. People love him for that, but I do think he has not really positioned Toronto for the future. He says we are rebuilding, but when will Toronto be relevant again. I think Rogers was asking for a plan and that is fair because how bad will this team be?

He didn't even need Ed's approval, as we learned that Larry had the authority to sign him anyway. Masai brought value to the franchise, brought them a title, had an ownership offer on the table. Like, does he have to get out the power point in the ****ing Muskokas?

This is like asking your girlfriend to marry you after 10 years and a couple of kids already. Mom and step-dad are overjoyed, but loser estranged biological dad wants you to fly down to Florida to hear what you have to offer him.

[carlosey]

Hit piece or not, its factual. The guy is trying to take over Rogers by force after being booted.

The guy is a racist MAGA POS trying to dump a top level executive that happens to be black.

You do the math.

Should be an interesting chant at the game tonight.

[Ramako]

https://thebeaverton.com/2021/10/edward-rogers-announces-takeover-from-small-corner-of-home-where-he-can-get-reception/

[Duffman100]

Hey, it worked on a lot of people here didn't it? Check mate.

So what's your point exactly?

First your position was essentially "well, it's weird that Masai brought someone to film the meeting. You can't blame Ed for being suspicious"

The counter was, "The guy wasn't filming the meeting, and nowhere was it claimed that he filmed the meeting. Ed was just making uninformed assumptions because he's a buffoon"

And your response is, "Stop being a pawn! They're obviously just trying to make Ed look bad!"

Whenever your nonsense gets countered, whether it's here or in the anti-vax thread, your 'go-to' move is just to claim that everyone else is just a pawn for not seeing the big picture.

Oh... what a brilliant and insightful perspective you must have on the wiles of the world!

So you think this isn't about RCI power struggle? Public opinion is often utilized, that's a common go to move. Just coincidence this Masai story came out days afterwards? Why didn't it come out weeks ago? Nothing that I'm saying is unusual in the business world. This crap is routine.

Of course it's leaked because of the RCI power struggle. But that also doesn't mean it isn't true.

[ForeverTFC]

Seems like story was leaked by member of Rogers family fighting Ed. They know Masai is universally liked so hope the story will undermine Ed in their boardroom squabble. Unfortunately I can’t see this story having much of an impact since the family squabble is a private matter and none of us can really do anything about this other than express our disdain at Ed.

Rogers is a public company and there is a lot of institutional investors behind it. Yes, the Rogers Trust owns majority share, but they're not the only shareholders with power.

[ItsDanger]

So what's your point exactly?

First your position was essentially "well, it's weird that Masai brought someone to film the meeting. You can't blame Ed for being suspicious"

The counter was, "The guy wasn't filming the meeting, and nowhere was it claimed that he filmed the meeting. Ed was just making uninformed assumptions because he's a buffoon"

And your response is, "Stop being a pawn! They're obviously just trying to make Ed look bad!"

Whenever your nonsense gets countered, whether it's here or in the anti-vax thread, your 'go-to' move is just to claim that everyone else is just a pawn for not seeing the big picture.

Oh... what a brilliant and insightful perspective you must have on the wiles of the world!

So you think this isn't about RCI power struggle? Public opinion is often utilized, that's a common go to move. Just coincidence this Masai story came out days afterwards? Why didn't it come out weeks ago? Nothing that I'm saying is unusual in the business world. This crap is routine.

So what part of...

Obviously there's way more at play here than whether Ed's buffoonery, including the mechanism within the family trust that empowers him to turnover the board, and whether he observed the proper practices in wielding that power. That doesn't detract from the fact that he is, indeed, a buffoon.

And obviously this news was leaked as a PR salvo within the context of this power struggle. Do you think that's like a profound revelation to literally anybody anywhere?

...makes you think that I don't believe that this is part of a larger power struggle?

In fact, where did I ever claim that this wasn't part of a larger power struggle?

That's a strawman that you injected into the argument, apropos of nothing, for some bizarre reason.

For someone with such a deep and savvy perspective on these issues that are far too complex for my little sheep brain, you sure how some problems with reading comprehension. Must be why you completely misread the article as stating that Masai was filming the meeting.

I stated both sides didn't make sense. Again. You've obviously never driven up to Muskoka before. No way somebody is going to tag along and then go back to the airport. Sounds unusual. Would you do that? Thats 6-8 hrs just driving for what? If it is a PR salvo as you admit, then 100% you have to question the storyline therein.

[tdot_steel]

This is a hit piece without a doubt.

If you read the torontolife https://torontolife.com/from-the-archives/edward-rogers-the-man-who-would-be-king/article about the Rogers family one could see this coming from a mile away. I suggest one read it.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/guy-laurence-stepping-down-as-rogers-ceo/article32386242/

The last 3 CEO's (Nazir Mohamed, Guy Laurence and Joe Natale) since Ted Rogers passed away in 2008 have all been ousted under mirky circumstances. There is no love lost between Edward and sister Melinda. Melinda appears to be Ted's favorite and has aspirations to control the company. Martha, the youngest, is the hatchetwoman and the face of the pushback against big brother's coup attempt. The family wants to appoint Melinda but needs to keep her hands clean and there is little mention of the mother and Melinda in the stories. Edward wants to get back at the family for not appointing him after daddy passed away and has a vendetta against them.

This reads like Dallas from back in the day and the above is my take on the story.

[WaltFrazier]

Regardless of facts or sides, those tweets by Martha Rogers are wild. Can't recall seeing anything quite like it in a corporate battle. Shiv of Succession doesn't do that.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Since ItsDanger gish galloped about the OTPP.

From 2011, just 1 thread (there are many more).

The OTPP are clearly a bunch of penny counting morons. Dont let the door hit you on the way out OTPP!

Right now to want to go through a new GM in a time of uncertainty its just not a good move. You need an experienced hand that can walk the franchise through it. We clearly dont have any one lined up or even up there to do the job. Unless you want some hack accountant to run things.

The OTPP have GOT to gtfo... They have done nothing but ruin the leafs and raps. We need owners that want to win. Too much red tape with these bastards. They should take their pension and retire.

[Quattro]

It just occurred to me that I can’t even make fun of the Knicks and James Dolan any more because I’d be a total hypocrite. Yet another thing that dogsht company Rogers has ruined.

[anotherhomer]

Interesting commentary

It's very possible that the women are seizing this mistake by Edward, and the bone headed mistakes by Edward, to allow Melinda to seize the chairman of trust.

Either way, she seems more capable than Edward. At least that's what I been hearing for several years

This is a hit piece without a doubt.

If you read the torontolife https://torontolife.com/from-the-archives/edward-rogers-the-man-who-would-be-king/article about the Rogers family one could see this coming from a mile away. I suggest one read it.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/guy-laurence-stepping-down-as-rogers-ceo/article32386242/

The last 3 CEO's (Nazir Mohamed, Guy Laurence and Joe Natale) since Ted Rogers passed away in 2008 have all been ousted under mirky circumstances. There is no love lost between Edward and sister Melinda. Melinda appears to be Ted's favorite and has aspirations to control the company. Martha, the youngest, is the hatchetwoman and the face of the pushback against big brother's coup attempt. The family wants to appoint Melinda but needs to keep her hands clean and there is little mention of the mother and Melinda in the stories. Edward wants to get back at the family for not appointing him after daddy passed away and has a vendetta against them.

This reads like Dallas from back in the day and the above is my take on the story.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

I stated both sides didn't make sense. Again. You've obviously never driven up to Muskoka before. No way somebody is going to tag along and then go back to the airport. Sounds unusual. Would you do that? Thats 6-8 hrs just driving for what? If it is a PR salvo as you admit, then 100% you have to question the storyline therein.

You obviously have never driven to Muskoka with Masai Ujiri before.

[tecumseh18]

So what's your point exactly?

First your position was essentially "well, it's weird that Masai brought someone to film the meeting. You can't blame Ed for being suspicious"

The counter was, "The guy wasn't filming the meeting, and nowhere was it claimed that he filmed the meeting. Ed was just making uninformed assumptions because he's a buffoon"

And your response is, "Stop being a pawn! They're obviously just trying to make Ed look bad!"

Whenever your nonsense gets countered, whether it's here or in the anti-vax thread, your 'go-to' move is just to claim that everyone else is just a pawn for not seeing the big picture.

Oh... what a brilliant and insightful perspective you must have on the wiles of the world!

So you think this isn't about RCI power struggle? Public opinion is often utilized, that's a common go to move. Just coincidence this Masai story came out days afterwards? Why didn't it come out weeks ago? Nothing that I'm saying is unusual in the business world. This crap is routine.

Of course it's leaked because of the RCI power struggle. But that also doesn't mean it isn't true.

Leaks are generally true, in that they represent a part of the overall story that makes the leaker or their faction look good. In a non-political story, we can count on the Star to do their due diligence. [Don't get me started on the political side - they really screwed me there]. We are on safe ground accepting this story at face value, but with our antenna up for other facts that make the anti-Ed faction look bad. However, this particular story just adds to the pile of data points that make Ed look like a buffoon.

But all that's irrelevant to the public perception of Masai. He was held in high esteem at the time these events were going down, and it's only elevated with the first three games of Scottie Barnes' career. Anyone who wanted Masai out has to look even worse.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I stated both sides didn't make sense. Again. You've obviously never driven up to Muskoka before. No way somebody is going to tag along and then go back to the airport. Sounds unusual. Would you do that? Thats 6-8 hrs just driving for what? If it is a PR salvo as you admit, then 100% you have to question the storyline therein.

Maybe he was working with Masai in the car? One simple answer is right in the text. You are taking a beating out here and it is hilarious to see you try and spin a reading mistake into a conspiracy.

[Vampirate]

Even prior to this, there were reports that former Bell President Cope and Larry T were consistently at odds with Rogers regarding investment in the Raptors.

Rogers isn't that interested in the Raptors. They're interested in their huge hockey investment and the Jays. Everything else is an afterthought so it's not a surprise that they wanted to cheap out on the Raps.

From a financial standpoint that's idiodic.

Masai is an elite Executive and the Raptors have an Monopoly on the Canadian basketball fanbase.

In other words Masai + Raptors = Cashcow

[guvernator]

As McCown used to say , mark of a **** franchise is that non-player personnel become its face(s). Now that Lowry is gone, Raptors back to their natural state.