[Fischer] Toronto A Team To Keep An Eye On For Myles Turner Trade

[will]

i would do trent, birch, filler for turner ...

I don't believe Indy is desperate to unload Myles for nothing.

Not sure what his contract situation is though, if he is due for a new contract?

[HomieOmey]

If the price is right, Turner will be so perfect! This is reminding me a bit too much of all the Robert Covington rumors a while ago when there was almost too much interest in the guy and it took an overpay to get him.

I would be lead to believe that Indy is likely to deal Domantas before Myles.

I mean maybe, but it's harder to trade the guy who puts up bigger stats and has been an all-star. Without knowing the Indiana fanbase at all (so would happily be proven wrong), I would assume there'd be a much bigger uproar after a Sabonis deal.

[will]

If the price is right, Turner will be so perfect! This is reminding me a bit too much of all the Robert Covington rumors a while ago when there was almost too much interest in the guy and it took an overpay to get him.

I would be lead to believe that Indy is likely to deal Domantas before Myles.

I mean maybe, but it's harder to trade the guy who puts up bigger stats and has been an all-star. Without knowing the Indiana fanbase at all (so would happily be proven wrong), I would assume there'd be a much bigger uproar after a Sabonis deal.

Since Nate McMillan was coaching Indy, t's always been an issue of their fit together between Myles and Domantas.

Yeah, it really comes down to what Indy is looking to do. Myles a 7 footer who blocks shots and shoots 3's. Domantas being an absolute monster on the offensive side teams can run their offense through.

Should be interesting with what Indy comes away with in a deal for either or both of those guys.

[nivisi9]

i would do trent, birch, filler for turner ...

If Masai was also the Indy GM

I don't get it, is that like not a competitive offer?

Turner is a centre after all, Trent Jr is a higher ceiling perimeter player that is still super young, has developed into a good defender and whos elite skill is the most valuable thing in the league - shooting.

Many people have been arguing whether Trent's overall value may be higher then Turner's and haven't been convinced about trading him.

Isn't Trent jr the exact type of piece Indy would be looking for in a return package?

Their issue is the front court overlap with Turner/Sabonis so trading one for a young, high ceiling perimeter player seems like a perfect match...

it's not like there's likely a bunch of those guys available who are as good as Trent is now or can become.

[will]

i would do trent, birch, filler for turner ...

If Masai was also the Indy GM

I don't get it, is that like not a competitive offer?

Turner is a centre after all, Trent Jr is higher ceiling perimeter player that is still super young, who's developed into a good defender and whos elite skill is the most valuable thing in the league - shooting.

Many people have been arguing that Trent Jrs overall value may be higher then Turner's and haven't been convinced about trading him.

Isn't Trent jr the exact type of piece Indy would be looking for in a return package?

To me, that is absolutely not a competitive offer.

Does a team trade for Trent knowing that he may not sign once that player option in his second year comes up? Then again, I do not know what Myles Turner's contract situation is.

Either way, a 7 foot guy who blocks shots and shoots threes is going to command a WAY higher premium than a 2 guard who is starting to develop into a good defender (based on the system of a team...because the defensive system with Portland and the Raps is night and day).

Simply putting myself in the Pacers position here.

[TorontoRapsFan]

If Masai was also the Indy GM

I don't get it, is that like not a competitive offer?

Turner is a centre after all, Trent Jr is higher ceiling perimeter player that is still super young, who's developed into a good defender and whos elite skill is the most valuable thing in the league - shooting.

Many people have been arguing that Trent Jrs overall value may be higher then Turner's and haven't been convinced about trading him.

Isn't Trent jr the exact type of piece Indy would be looking for in a return package?

To me, that is absolutely not a competitive offer.

Does a team trade for Trent knowing that he may not sign once that player option in his second year comes up? Then again, I do not know what Myles Turner's contract situation is.

Either way, a 7 foot guy who blocks shots and shoots threes is going to command a WAY higher premium than a 2 guard who is starting to develop into a good defender (based on the system of a team...because the defensive system with Portland and the Raps is night and day).

Simply putting myself in the Pacers position here.

I feel like you're over estimating Turner's value. Who was the last starting C traded for any value return? There is Vuc, and his value was based on his offensive game, and I can't think of anyone else going back to JV.

Also, chances are real good Pacers just might have a fire sale and try to trade Turner, Brogdan and Lavert. I don't mean contract dump, I just mean they would be willing to try a rebuild. If not this year chances are by end of next year they'll look to cash in on these players. Unless they turn it around next year and be legit like they hoped for this year.

[will]

I don't get it, is that like not a competitive offer?

Turner is a centre after all, Trent Jr is higher ceiling perimeter player that is still super young, who's developed into a good defender and whos elite skill is the most valuable thing in the league - shooting.

Many people have been arguing that Trent Jrs overall value may be higher then Turner's and haven't been convinced about trading him.

Isn't Trent jr the exact type of piece Indy would be looking for in a return package?

To me, that is absolutely not a competitive offer.

Does a team trade for Trent knowing that he may not sign once that player option in his second year comes up? Then again, I do not know what Myles Turner's contract situation is.

Either way, a 7 foot guy who blocks shots and shoots threes is going to command a WAY higher premium than a 2 guard who is starting to develop into a good defender (based on the system of a team...because the defensive system with Portland and the Raps is night and day).

Simply putting myself in the Pacers position here.

I feel like you're over estimating Turner's value. Who was the last starting C traded for any value return? There is Vuc, and his value was based on his offensive game, and I can't think of anyone else going back to JV.

Also, chances are real good Pacers just might have a fire sale and try to trade Turner, Brogdan and Lavert. I don't mean contract dump, I just mean they would be willing to try a rebuild. If not this year chances are by end of next year they'll look to cash in on these players. Unless they turn it around next year and be legit like they hoped for this year.

'They ain't just going to give away Turner either.

7 footers who block shots and hit treys are at a premium. That's just what the market is.

In the event Indy is REALLY doing a rebuild, they would look for picks or young players with term on their contracts.

GTJ, Khem and filler just ain't it to get it done.

[LoveMyRaps]

If the price is right, Turner will be so perfect! This is reminding me a bit too much of all the Robert Covington rumors a while ago when there was almost too much interest in the guy and it took an overpay to get him.

I would be lead to believe that Indy is likely to deal Domantas before Myles.

If that's the case, the Raptors FO should be all over it. Sabonis would be a fantastic fit on this team. His contract is one of the best in the league.

[will]

If the price is right, Turner will be so perfect! This is reminding me a bit too much of all the Robert Covington rumors a while ago when there was almost too much interest in the guy and it took an overpay to get him.

I would be lead to believe that Indy is likely to deal Domantas before Myles.

If that's the case, the Raptors FO should be all over it. Sabonis would be a fantastic fit on this team. His contract is one of the best in the league.

Love Arvydas' boy.

His game is super nice. Not sure how he would fit in defensively, but on the offensive side? oOHHHHHHweeeee.

A big man who can operate as the hub, looking for cutters, hitting the mid range J, sweet back to the bucket game, capable of hitting the trey...still sucks with his FTs though.

My trousers are getting snug thinking about it.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I would be lead to believe that Indy is likely to deal Domantas before Myles.

If that's the case, the Raptors FO should be all over it. Sabonis would be a fantastic fit on this team. His contract is one of the best in the league.

Love Arvydas' boy.

His game is super nice. Not sure how he would fit in defensively, but on the offensive side? oOHHHHHHweeeee.

A big man who can operate as the hub, looking for cutters, hitting the mid range J, sweet back to the bucket game, capable of hitting the trey...still sucks with his FTs though.

My trousers are getting snug thinking about it.

They would be asking for Barnes or OG for sure. for either Myles Turner or Sabonis. Lets be honest here.

if its Barnes, its Dragic and Barnes for one of those two.
if its OG, its probably going to be expanded to include of their guards like Levert or Brogdan.

[everdiso]

Myles Turner can't even stay on the floor for full-time starter's minutes.

He'd come off the bench here.

Would be nice to have but definitely not worth any of our current 5 starters in a trade.

[Ell Curry]

I would be lead to believe that Indy is likely to deal Domantas before Myles.

If that's the case, the Raptors FO should be all over it. Sabonis would be a fantastic fit on this team. His contract is one of the best in the league.

Love Arvydas' boy.

His game is super nice. Not sure how he would fit in defensively, but on the offensive side? oOHHHHHHweeeee.

A big man who can operate as the hub, looking for cutters, hitting the mid range J, sweet back to the bucket game, capable of hitting the trey...still sucks with his FTs though.

My trousers are getting snug thinking about it.

I feel like we know he would fit offensively because when Birch makes a good play on O it looks like a regular Sabonis play.

As for the thread, I think Turner's value is Banton and our first and Dragic. It's the same deal Orlando got for Aaron Gordon basically but the pick is a little better and Orlando had to eat the bad Gary Harris year (which has turned out alright because he can shoot again apparently) so it's 20M lighter.

[ash_k]

Sabonis vs Turner, this is not a debate for us.
We want to defend and be long. Turner is the guy. Both Precious&Boucher are PFs. We have had lineups with OG as SG and Siakam as SF.
Just imagine at times going against: OG|Pascal|Boucher|Turner, It would be a problem! FVV|OG|Barnes|Pascal|Turner another problem.FVV|Barnes|Siakam|Precious|Turner another problem to score on. Siakam|OG|Barnes|Boucher(Precious)|Turner.
I love the potential of GTJr and he looks like a future all-star but to get those lineups, we should be willing to attach a FRP with his short contract to get Turner on this particular team: It is bit of bidding war with Charlotte and GSW imo.
GTjr + 1st RD pick + Flynn for Turner.

[pingpongrac]

If Masai was also the Indy GM

I don't get it, is that like not a competitive offer?

Turner is a centre after all, Trent Jr is higher ceiling perimeter player that is still super young, who's developed into a good defender and whos elite skill is the most valuable thing in the league - shooting.

Many people have been arguing that Trent Jrs overall value may be higher then Turner's and haven't been convinced about trading him.

Isn't Trent jr the exact type of piece Indy would be looking for in a return package?

To me, that is absolutely not a competitive offer.

Does a team trade for Trent knowing that he may not sign once that player option in his second year comes up? Then again, I do not know what Myles Turner's contract situation is.

Either way, a 7 foot guy who blocks shots and shoots threes is going to command a WAY higher premium than a 2 guard who is starting to develop into a good defender (based on the system of a team...because the defensive system with Portland and the Raps is night and day).

Simply putting myself in the Pacers position here.

You're definitely overrating Turner a bit. Aside from jacking up threes for almost half of his attempts the past 3 seasons, he has been the same player his entire career (below average rebounding C, terrible playmaker, pretty solid shooter for his size, great rim protecting big). At 26 (in 2 months) it is highly unlikely he takes another step when we have 7 seasons and 450+ games worth of data and game tape showing the same things.

Turner is a UFA at the end of next season. He is currently making ~18M/year and has been very vocal about wanting a larger role, so he is probably looking to make upwards of 20M/year if he already feels he is underutilized and underpaid. For a 5th option that can basically only score off of his teammates making plays for him (~80% of his career FGM are assisted) and put backs (~15% of his career FGM), 20-22M/year is a lot of money. He is great at protecting the rim, but he is not capable of guarding smaller players in space.

Turner's value around the league also doesn't seem to be very high and he has been available for a couple years now. I don't recall many rumours, but I know of the Celtics opting to lose Hayward for nothing rather than a S&T for Turner (and McDermott). Apparently the Pacers are looking for multiple 1sts or a 1st + promising young player. Seems like a massive overpay to me if that's what they're truly holding out for.

[Appostis]

Two first round picks?

[brownbobcat]

I feel like you're over estimating Turner's value. Who was the last starting C traded for any value return? There is Vuc, and his value was based on his offensive game, and I can't think of anyone else going back to JV.

When's the last time a 3+D shooting guard got traded for any significant value? If you're out there looking for a rim-protector that can space the floor, there aren't too many options available aside from Turner. He's not a great player, but he is a rare one.

[alienchild]

Two first round picks?

Corn grows really high in Indiana.

[redeye514]

Indy wants 2 firsts which makes sense, if Indy. I can see a desperate team needing to make a splash paying it, just not us.

Having said that, I do believe we would have a protected first + Flynn (a relative first) on the table + Dragic cap filler to third team. So I don’t think our offer would be that far off… we are at least in the running… Indy is prob just seeing if they can do better than Flynn + Late first pick, hence the ‘news leak’ today of Indy wanting 2 x #1’s. If they can get it from someone else, all the power to them.. if not, I can see them taking our deal.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I feel like you're over estimating Turner's value. Who was the last starting C traded for any value return? There is Vuc, and his value was based on his offensive game, and I can't think of anyone else going back to JV.

When's the last time a 3+D shooting guard got traded for any significant value? If you're out there looking for a rim-protector that can space the floor, there aren't too many options available aside from Turner. He's not a great player, but he is a rare one.

Honestly Mo Bamba. His work ethic has been called into question but he's producing about the same stats with half of Turners salary and in FA, he's doubtful to get the 18M the Turner is getting right now.

[Badonkadonk]

i would do trent, birch, filler for turner ...

If Masai was also the Indy GM

I don't get it, is that like not a competitive offer?

Nope.

More importantly, it's far off what Indy is seeking.