Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey"

[HiJiNX]

He might not be John Wall-with-a-3pt-shot after all...His 3pt-shot must not have gotten the vaccine like Thybulle

I like it. Who would've thought that Maxey would stop shooting 70% from the field? Is Maxey at 40% from the field with no defense really that much better than Precious? And we aren't even getting into each player's ceiling.

Well the defence on him improved significantly. He was mostly abusing us by taking advantage of Fred and/or loading up on Harden. Now we sending him left and guarding him with everyone but Fred.

[WaltFrazier]

He might not be John Wall-with-a-3pt-shot after all...His 3pt-shot must not have gotten the vaccine like Thybulle

I like it. Who would've thought that Maxey would stop shooting 70% from the field? Is Maxey at 40% from the field with no defense really that much better than Precious? And we aren't even getting into each player's ceiling.

Well the defence on him improved significantly. He was mostly abusing us by taking advantage of Fred and/or loading up on Harden. Now we sending him left and guarding him with everyone but Fred.

He wasn't going to score 38 every game. 23 and 19 the next 2 games were more like it. Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11. I hope he gets zero next game and we win. But more likely he plays well again back home. His combo of speed quickness and 3 point shot make him very dangerous

[Madhouse]

He lives by his speed.

[Los_29]

He might not be John Wall-with-a-3pt-shot after all...His 3pt-shot must not have gotten the vaccine like Thybulle

I like it. Who would've thought that Maxey would stop shooting 70% from the field? Is Maxey at 40% from the field with no defense really that much better than Precious? And we aren't even getting into each player's ceiling.

Well the defence on him improved significantly. He was mostly abusing us by taking advantage of Fred and/or loading up on Harden. Now we sending him left and guarding him with everyone but Fred.

We are closing out on him better but he's not making the shots he was making in games 1 and 2. In the first two games he had 14 open to wide open threes and he hit 8 of them. He also shot 8-18 last game in like 47 minutes. He's still had some open threes the last two games and he's missed more than he's made. When you factor in his poor defense and how he often gets hunted down on that end, it's not too hard to see that Precious has by far the higher ceiling.

[HiJiNX]

I like it. Who would've thought that Maxey would stop shooting 70% from the field? Is Maxey at 40% from the field with no defense really that much better than Precious? And we aren't even getting into each player's ceiling.

Well the defence on him improved significantly. He was mostly abusing us by taking advantage of Fred and/or loading up on Harden. Now we sending him left and guarding him with everyone but Fred.

We are closing out on him better but he's not making the shots he was making in games 1 and 2. In the first two games he had 14 open to wide open threes and he hit 8 of them. He also shot 8-18 last game in like 47 minutes. He's still had some open threes the last two games and he's missed more than he's made. When you factor in his poor defense and how he often gets hunted down on that end, it's not too hard to see that Precious has by far the higher ceiling.

I’m a big Precious fan and have been since his Miami days. I remember seeing him and thinking that I wanted him on the Raps so I’m very happy with getting him. I rather have Precious than Maxey and have never said otherwise.

As far as Maxey goes he’s a good player that we made look better with how we were defending him. We have made adjustments (namely, forcing him left and keeping FVV away from him) and he’s had fewer easy buckets as a result.

[Los_29]

Well the defence on him improved significantly. He was mostly abusing us by taking advantage of Fred and/or loading up on Harden. Now we sending him left and guarding him with everyone but Fred.

We are closing out on him better but he's not making the shots he was making in games 1 and 2. In the first two games he had 14 open to wide open threes and he hit 8 of them. He also shot 8-18 last game in like 47 minutes. He's still had some open threes the last two games and he's missed more than he's made. When you factor in his poor defense and how he often gets hunted down on that end, it's not too hard to see that Precious has by far the higher ceiling.

I’m a big Precious fan and have been since his Miami days. I remember seeing him and thinking that I wanted him on the Raps so I’m very happy with getting him. I rather have Precious than Maxey and have never said otherwise.

As far as Maxey goes he’s a good player that we made look better with how we were defending him. We have made adjustments (namely, forcing him left and keeping FVV away from him) and he’s had fewer easy buckets as a result.

Yep, only 8 open to wide open threes in the last two games compared to 14 in the first two games and he's not converting them at a 60% clip anymore.

When Maxey isn't scoring, what's he doing out there? Fred on one leg was beating him off the dribble yesterday. He's the guy on defense that teams will go after.

I think Masai was only interested in Maxey because it was the best they could get. I'm confident that had Morey said yes that we would've ended up trading Maxey this year. I don't think you can play the way he does and be a fit on this team long-term. You have to defend in this league.

[macNcheese3]

Maxey has somewhat come back down to earth. He’s either scoring a ton or not doing much. We’ve been able to contain him.

[Madhouse]

Maxey has somewhat come back down to earth. He’s either scoring a ton or not doing much. We’ve been able to contain him.

Maxey is shooting 57/42/100 with Freddy Allstar on the floor.

[Los_29]

Maxey has somewhat come back down to earth. He’s either scoring a ton or not doing much. We’ve been able to contain him.

Maxey is shooting 57/42/100 with Freddy Allstar on the floor.

Isn't that what he's shooting in the entire series? LOL. Does Fred's presence on the floor allow Maxey to hit FT's? I don't think anyone will claim that Fred's been good defensively since he's had his knee injury but you need to select better stats than this.

Do you know what Maxey's numbers are when Fred is off the floor? Do you know what his numbers are when Fred is guarding him and when he's not guarding him? I think those would be more useful.

[Los_29]

I like it. Who would've thought that Maxey would stop shooting 70% from the field? Is Maxey at 40% from the field with no defense really that much better than Precious? And we aren't even getting into each player's ceiling.

Well the defence on him improved significantly. He was mostly abusing us by taking advantage of Fred and/or loading up on Harden. Now we sending him left and guarding him with everyone but Fred.

He wasn't going to score 38 every game. 23 and 19 the next 2 games were more like it. Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11. I hope he gets zero next game and we win. But more likely he plays well again back home. His combo of speed quickness and 3 point shot make him very dangerous

Maxey was 0-3 when Fred was in the game yesterday.

[WaltFrazier]

Well the defence on him improved significantly. He was mostly abusing us by taking advantage of Fred and/or loading up on Harden. Now we sending him left and guarding him with everyone but Fred.

He wasn't going to score 38 every game. 23 and 19 the next 2 games were more like it. Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11. I hope he gets zero next game and we win. But more likely he plays well again back home. His combo of speed quickness and 3 point shot make him very dangerous

Maxey was 0-3 when Fred was in the game yesterday.

Oh well then, 3 missed shots, Fred totally shut him down.

Or maybe Fred was not guarding him in that extremely small sample size.

[Basketball_Jones]

Maxey has somewhat come back down to earth. He’s either scoring a ton or not doing much. We’ve been able to contain him.

He appears to be just standing around and not getting the ball that much to me. If Doc Rivers adjusts, he should put the ball in his hands more and see if he can go off.

[Young Moosehead]

Windhorst - "Raptors were ready to trade Kyle Lowry to the Sixers last year but they wanted Tyrese Maxey. The Sixers wouldn't give him up."

At the 3:30 mark.

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It all worked out in the end. We got Achiuwa who I think has more potential than Maxey. But wow, Sixers could've won a title last year with Lowry.

I am not too worked up about what Windy, Shams, Woj or any of the big name rumour peddlers say when they talk about Raptors business after the fact. These guys are paid in early access to spread rumours about the opposition. Toronto will never leak to these guys so they know there is neither reward for covering favourably or punishment for lying. They also know the true story is never getting leaked from Toronto so they can make up whatever they want.

[Los_29]

He wasn't going to score 38 every game. 23 and 19 the next 2 games were more like it. Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11. I hope he gets zero next game and we win. But more likely he plays well again back home. His combo of speed quickness and 3 point shot make him very dangerous

Maxey was 0-3 when Fred was in the game yesterday.

Oh well then, 3 missed shots, Fred totally shut him down.

Or maybe Fred was not guarding him in that extremely small sample size.

No, you were just lying and making stuff up. Maxey didn't make a single field goal with Fred in the game yesterday. You said and I quote, "Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11."

There is actually a lot of wrong in this statement. We already addressed the fact that Maxey didn't score a field goal with Fred in the game but you're also flat out wrong about the Sixers falling apart after Fred got hurt. The Raptors were up 45-36 when Fred left the game. They ended up winning by 8 points. So actually the Sixers outscored them by 1 point after Fred left the game. Sixers outscored the Raptors 66-65 after Fred left.

Misinformation is a big problem on this forum and posts like these don't help. Let's do better.

[tecumseh18]

Maxey was 0-3 when Fred was in the game yesterday.

Oh well then, 3 missed shots, Fred totally shut him down.

Or maybe Fred was not guarding him in that extremely small sample size.

No, you were just lying and making stuff up. Maxey didn't make a single field goal with Fred in the game yesterday. You said and I quote, "Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11."

There is actually a lot of wrong in this statement. We already addressed the fact that Maxey didn't score a field goal with Fred in the game but you're also flat out wrong about the Sixers falling apart after Fred got hurt. The Raptors were up 45-36 when Fred left the game. They ended up winning by 8 points. So actually the Sixers outscored them by 1 point after Fred left the game. Sixers outscored the Raptors 66-65 after Fred left.

Misinformation is a big problem on this forum and posts like these don't help. Let's do better.

Raps had a >10 point lead with a few minutes left to go. I wouldn't count what happened after scrubs like Svi and Yuta entered the game. But your (valid) point is, Fred's presence or absence on the court didn't appear to significantly change the game either way, just as it didn't hurt the ability of the Raps to win the last two regular season games against the Sixers. Which is an important consideration if we're contemplating offering Fred a near-max extension the following summer.

[Los_29]

Oh well then, 3 missed shots, Fred totally shut him down.

Or maybe Fred was not guarding him in that extremely small sample size.

No, you were just lying and making stuff up. Maxey didn't make a single field goal with Fred in the game yesterday. You said and I quote, "Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11."

There is actually a lot of wrong in this statement. We already addressed the fact that Maxey didn't score a field goal with Fred in the game but you're also flat out wrong about the Sixers falling apart after Fred got hurt. The Raptors were up 45-36 when Fred left the game. They ended up winning by 8 points. So actually the Sixers outscored them by 1 point after Fred left the game. Sixers outscored the Raptors 66-65 after Fred left.

Misinformation is a big problem on this forum and posts like these don't help. Let's do better.

Raps had a >10 point lead with a few minutes left to go. I wouldn't count what happened after scrubs like Svi and Yuta entered the game. But your (valid) point is, Fred's presence or absence on the court didn't appear to significantly change the game either way, just as it didn't hurt the ability of the Raps to win the last two regular season games against the Sixers. Which is an important consideration if we're contemplating offering Fred a near-max extension the following summer.

Actually you're right. When our bench entered the game we were up 12 points. My point still remains though that everything Walt said was wrong there. We outscored the Sixers by 3 points up until our bench came in. And Maxey didn't score at all on Fred last game. That's not to say he didn't score a lot on him in the previous games though.

Where did this max or near max extension talk come from? I think people just dislike Fred so much that they make stuff up like thinking Fred is going to get the max. LOL. And I am almost positive that this team isn't looking at the impact or lack there of that injured Fred made to this team. You look at the impact he made when he was healthy just like any other executive would do. And when he was healthy he was one of the most impactful players in the league. That's the Fred you're looking at, not hobbled Fred playing through injury. That version of Fred is going to get paid around 30 million in my opinion (depending on what the salary cap is set at) and considering 35 year old Lowry got a 3 year 90 million dollar deal, that's fair value for Fred.

[WaltFrazier]

Anyone with eyes could see the long lineup was a huge factor in winning the game.

Anyone who's honest could see Fred could not guard Maxey in the first three games.

Even if we put Gary on Maxey and Fred on Danny, Green just sets a screen for Harden and they have Fred on Harden. They were hunting Fred for 3 games.

A healthy Fred is a different story but his knee has slowed his lateral defense for a couple months now

[Los_29]

Anyone with eyes could see the long lineup was a huge factor in winning the game.

Anyone who's honest could see Fred could not guard Maxey in the first three games.

Even if we put Gary on Maxey and Fred on Danny, Green just sets a screen for Harden and they have Fred on Harden. They were hunting Fred for 3 games.

A healthy Fred is a different story but his knee has slowed his lateral defense for a couple months now

Walt, we aren't discussing how effective the long lineup was. We are discussing the fact that you blatantly made stuff up just so you can get a few cheap shots in on an injured Fred. That's the issue. LOL.

No one is discussing the first three games. Your comment was about game 4. Here is what you said again:

"Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11."

This was false. Everything about it was false.

The funny thing is you don't even need to try hard to find stats that tell you how poorly Fred has played in these playoffs. And yet you didn't even try to find them. You just made them up.

[WaltFrazier]

Anyone with eyes could see the long lineup was a huge factor in winning the game.

Anyone who's honest could see Fred could not guard Maxey in the first three games.

Even if we put Gary on Maxey and Fred on Danny, Green just sets a screen for Harden and they have Fred on Harden. They were hunting Fred for 3 games.

A healthy Fred is a different story but his knee has slowed his lateral defense for a couple months now

Walt, we aren't discussing how effective the long lineup was. We are discussing the fact that you blatantly made stuff up just so you can get a few cheap shots in on an injured Fred. That's the issue. LOL.

No one is discussing the first three games. Your comment was about game 4. Here is what you said again:

"Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11."

This was false. Everything about it was false.

The funny thing is you don't even need to try hard to find stats that tell you how poorly Fred has played in these playoffs. And yet you didn't even try to find them. You just made them up.

I just laugh at your trolling, moving the goalposts every argument.

Maxey blew by Fred many times in three games. Whether Maxey scored in the short time Fred played or not, it's not a stretch to assume if Fred stayed in game 4 Maxey would have scored more. That's an informed opinion or prediction, based on recent past performance. I don't claim it's a fact, but a likelihood. To call that a lie or dishonest on my part is absurd. But that's the misleading way you like to argue.

[Clay Davis]

Anyone with eyes could see the long lineup was a huge factor in winning the game.

Anyone who's honest could see Fred could not guard Maxey in the first three games.

Even if we put Gary on Maxey and Fred on Danny, Green just sets a screen for Harden and they have Fred on Harden. They were hunting Fred for 3 games.

A healthy Fred is a different story but his knee has slowed his lateral defense for a couple months now

Walt, we aren't discussing how effective the long lineup was. We are discussing the fact that you blatantly made stuff up just so you can get a few cheap shots in on an injured Fred. That's the issue. LOL.

No one is discussing the first three games. Your comment was about game 4. Here is what you said again:

"Tonight he didn't have Fred to blow by, and the Sixers fell apart, no surprise he got 11."

This was false. Everything about it was false.

The funny thing is you don't even need to try hard to find stats that tell you how poorly Fred has played in these playoffs. And yet you didn't even try to find them. You just made them up.

I just laugh at your trolling, moving the goalposts every argument.

Maxey blew by Fred many times in three games. Whether Maxey scored in the short time Fred played or not, it's not a stretch to assume if Fred stayed in game 4 Maxey would have scored more. That's an informed opinion or prediction, based on recent past performance. I don't claim it's a fact, but a likelihood. To call that a lie or dishonest on my part is absurd. But that's the misleading way you like to argue.

Are there any possessions in particular where OG/Gary/Siakam/Barnes were able to keep Maxey in front of them and the spacing was the same as when Fred was on them? Honestly, I think Maxey blows by most of the league and it's not just because he's quick but because the offensive player always has the advantage in these situations.

That being said I recall some possessions where Maxey was trying to bring the ball up court but had Scottie picking him up at full court. Obviously Fred is able to do this really well (ask Curry ) but it's really physically grueling and I don't think he can handle it very easily

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