[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[tdotrep2]

siakam wasnt that guy, look at him in the philly series vs a few years ago. different players. Saying an increased role will only amount to a few more ppg's is nonsense. An increased role = practice at said role. He's absolutely shown flashes of being able to take people 1 on 1, he's shown more potential than siakam had in terms of bag at his age.

Seriously, what do you guys see in OG that i dont? Like i get he's a good player, but people thinking he'll ever be more than a 3+D guy (with few plays here and there that arent spot ups) is just crazy to me. Dude's been in the league 5 years and still cant dribble, he has zero explosion off the dribble and has 2 left feet/robotic/w.e tf it is that makes him fall when he makes a slight move on offense.

He has zero future as an actual on ball option. He's at the top of the range of what he does (3+D), but he's not gonna be more. He's not gonna wake up tomorrow and not be ridiculously robotic with handles. Thats not the way basketball works. You improve around the edges, and sometimes those improvements are huge (like Siakam), but you dont become a different player 5 years in.

Everyone on this board overrates our players. tdotrep comparing OG to Siakam is hilarious. OG hasn't shown any sign of having Siakam's skills or work ethic. He's also shown zero sign of being a good 1 on 1 player, which is completely fine, thats not his role, nor should it be.

jesus lol, i stated siakams game from a few years ago to what it is now has changed, he was allowed the opportunity on the court to try and expand his game and he did. OG early was given the opportunity and to say theres ZERO SIGNS of being a good 1 on 1 player is just false man. And im not overrating the damn player, i said there could be cause for concern in OG thinking he should be getting a bigger role due to how the roster is and how the season played out. Not I think x because i rate him at y.

[Johnny Bball]

Scottie weighs in:

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If OG's happy, this convo is OVAH!

Gonna need Scottie to go ahead and not insert himself into these conversations

Now why would you want him not displaying leadership.

[C_Money]

Anunoby hasn't directly expressed dissatisfaction with his role in Toronto, but executives around the league have heard he would be open to trade. Anunoby is reportedly unhappy with his role in the Raptors offense that heavily featured Pascal Siakam, Fred VanVleet and rookie Scottie Barnes.

Ahh I see it now. Gotta read every word carefully on these articles.

[Brinbe]

I can see them being in on Ayton. If you buy into his continued improvements this season on defense/from 3 (that being a plus instead of a negative) which are arguably his weakest attributes and consider his upward trajectory as a 23-year-old? That's possibly a very valuable player right there. The only reason he's even available is because Sarver is a cheap bastard.

Maybe you can work something out with Phoenix and Portland for OG or other pieces.

[TheRealDeal]

Scottie weighs in:

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If OG's happy, this convo is OVAH!

Gonna need Scottie to go ahead and not insert himself into these conversations

Now why would you want him not displaying leadership.

Yep this is a LeBron-esque comment. Much prefer this to someone who doesn’t give a damn

[Los Manos]

Shaedon Sharpe is a special talent and if I can parlay OG into acquiring him in the draft then I do it every time.

[Tripod]

I'll tell you right now they think Daniels will be better than OG

he certainly has a higher ceiling. OG is what he is, imo. He's a very good role player, nearing the top end of the range for his prototype. But Raps have 3 forwards with only 2 starting spots, and at the end of the day, they need an elite guard that can create in the halfcourt. Maybe that's Daniels, maybe that's Sharpe...i dunno. I know it's not anybody we have on the team right now, and i am fully behind trading OG if Masai thinks one of those guys is that player

Daniels is a very underrated playmaker. Great vision. Great defender. Great team player. He checks all the boxes for what we want.

To be honest I think we trade Gary Trent for a future 1st and prospect. Keep fvv and pascal.OG in Gary Trent get traded for players around scotty's age. You don't want Scotty to become a free agent and have a bunch of players who are on the decline or as good as they're gonna get. You want to be able to show him a bright future

Wait....

So keep the 2 28 year olds and trade the 24 and 23 year olds so Scottie can have guys closer to his age around him?

That math doesn't add up.

How about we keep who we have and ADD a situational C and a shooter to this group and let's see how the year plays out.

[WuTang_CMB]

Why tf would we trade OG for Ayton when OG can play 1-5 and is even more valuable in the playoffs and Ayton can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs?

PHX would hit a home run if they made that deal pairing him with Bridges and Booker.

Ayton is a good centre but OG is not going anywhere for him. Again, the only trade chip we have is Trent. Too bad he didnt sign 3+1. That's hurting us.

[Inevitable]

I’d 100% work a deal out for Ayton for OG. It would balance out our roster a lot and you can begin developing Ayton into an elite two way big through our developmental program. But not sure if this is something even on the table.

[Tripod]

I’d 100% work a deal out for Ayton for OG. It would balance out our roster a lot and you can begin developing Ayton into an elite two way big through our developmental program. But not sure if this is something even on the table.

Great idea.

Pay Ayton as our top player and give him the max all while being the 4th option.

That doesn't make sense

[Los_29]

These aren’t re occuring injuries. I wouldnt be worried about that. Hes not injury prone. Just cant get run into the ground

OG's playing style leads to injuries though. That's the only concern.

what's his style? he's a tough 2 way guy. He's not injury prone. He got ran into the ground this season just like FVV.

Fractured fingers aren't a result of playing too many minutes. A player can fracture his finger 5 seconds into a basketball game. And Fred suffered a bone bruise from an apparent fall in a game against New Orleans. That also wasn't a result of getting run into the ground. The best players in the league play a lot of minutes unless you happen to play on an extremely good team that blows people out or an absolutely awful team that gets blown out.

Players who played over 37 minutes a game - KD, Pascal, FVV, Kyrie, Harden, Lebron. Four of these players are over 30 years old. There were 21 players in the league that averaged over 35 minutes a game. Don't get me wrong, teams would love to play their best players less but that's not always the case and medical staffs clearly see no problem with players playing 37 minutes a night. If they did, a 33 year old KD coming off a ruptured achilles, a 33 year old Harden coming off a hamstring injury and a 37 year old Lebron wouldn't be playing over 37 minutes a night. Fred and Pascal are actually the youngest in this group. I don't think people realize how involved these medical staffs are. There are articles and videos about the role our medical staff plays on the team. Basically, OG wouldn't play 36 minutes a night unless the medical staff cleared him to do so.

OG is an awesome player but he's not a very fluid athlete. There is an awkwardness to his game. He's also a physical player that seems to take hard falls every game. Look at a player like Pascal and how he moves on the court compared to OG.

[Inevitable]

I’d 100% work a deal out for Ayton for OG. It would balance out our roster a lot and you can begin developing Ayton into an elite two way big through our developmental program. But not sure if this is something even on the table.

Great idea.

Pay Ayton as our top player and give him the max all while being the 4th option.

That doesn't make sense

A 23 year old averaging 17/10 on 60 win team is deserving of the max yes. He would have it if it wasn’t for their inept ownership. As for his role on offense he would and should be a focal point like he is currently on the team that’s better than us.

[DangerZone13]

Without OG there is no long boys line up.

I do wonder how Barnes, OG, and Pascal can all fit.

OG would have to really work on his handles and become a fulltime 2, or you move Barnes to point guard full time.

I feel like people miss the obvious here: play Siakam at the "2". He might not have as much individual advantage, but as a team it's of greater advantage I think. He's got the ball handling, passing, and if he solidifies his 3 over the summer - why doesn't that work? Instead of saying OG doesn't have the handles for it, maybe Spicy fits. Once Scottie's shooting is fine-tuned he could definitely move down to "1", but I'm not sure he's there yet.

FVV/Siakam/OG/Barnes/Achiuwa

[WuTang_CMB]

OG's playing style leads to injuries though. That's the only concern.

what's his style? he's a tough 2 way guy. He's not injury prone. He got ran into the ground this season just like FVV.

Fractured fingers aren't a result of playing too many minutes. A player can fracture his finger 5 seconds into a basketball game. And Fred suffered a bone bruise from an apparent fall in a game against New Orleans. That also wasn't a result of getting run into the ground. The best players in the league play a lot of minutes unless you happen to play on an extremely good team that blows people out or an absolutely awful team that gets blown out.

Players who played over 37 minutes a game - KD, Pascal, FVV, Kyrie, Harden, Lebron. Four of these players are over 30 years old. There were 21 players in the league that averaged over 35 minutes a game. Don't get me wrong, teams would love to play their best players less but that's not always the case and medical staffs clearly see no problem with players playing 37 minutes a night. If they did, a 33 year old KD coming off a ruptured achilles, a 33 year old Harden coming off a hamstring injury and a 37 year old Lebron wouldn't be playing over 37 minutes a night. Fred and Pascal are actually the youngest in this group. I don't think people realize how involved these medical staffs are. There are articles and videos about the role our medical staff plays on the team. Basically, OG wouldn't play 36 minutes a night unless the medical staff cleared him to do so.

OG is an awesome player but he's not a very fluid athlete. There is an awkwardness to his game. He's also a physical player that seems to take hard falls every game. Look at a player like Pascal and how he moves on the court compared to OG.

Fractured fingers? Lol

I've played basketball all my life. I have dislocated 8 of my fingers. It happens. He's not injury prone. That was his first finger fracture. What are we even talking about here.

He plays hard on both ends and this year was out because of a groin injury (likely due to extended minutes) and a fractured finger... but lets not get that confused for being 'injury prone' - that's just false. Injury prone labels are used on guys like Porzingis.

I don't disagree he has an awkward balance when he's getting more into the lane but I don't think you can scientifically tell me that is correlated to an injury (especially when not 1 is re-occuring).

[Tripod]

I’d 100% work a deal out for Ayton for OG. It would balance out our roster a lot and you can begin developing Ayton into an elite two way big through our developmental program. But not sure if this is something even on the table.

Great idea.

Pay Ayton as our top player and give him the max all while being the 4th option.

That doesn't make sense

A 23 year old averaging 17/10 on 60 win team is deserving of the max yes. He would have it if it wasn’t for their inept ownership. As for his role on offense he would and should be a focal point like he is currently on the team that’s better than us.

So inept ownership didn't want to pay him the max.

The coach of the year on that 60 win team benched him in a must win 7th game.

He won't get all thosee easy buckets in Toronto with FVV being poor at lobs.

But the Raps should trade away a 17 point, 3+D, 24 year old AND pay Ayton the max....approx double what OG gets paid. Nah.

[Reeko]

These aren’t re occuring injuries. I wouldnt be worried about that. Hes not injury prone. Just cant get run into the ground

OG's playing style leads to injuries though. That's the only concern.

what's his style? he's a tough 2 way guy. He's not injury prone. He got ran into the ground this season just like FVV.

He played in 48 games this season and 43 last. You miss that kind of time you’re going to start looking like you’re injury prone.

[WuTang_CMB]

OG's playing style leads to injuries though. That's the only concern.

what's his style? he's a tough 2 way guy. He's not injury prone. He got ran into the ground this season just like FVV.

He played in 48 games this season and 43 last. You miss that kind of time you’re going to start looking like you’re injury prone.

Tampaaaa tankkkkkk. We sat him last season just like everyone else.

This season he had a groin from over usage and finger fracture. He’s not injury prone. If he has another season of playing half the games then that label could start

[Los_29]

what's his style? he's a tough 2 way guy. He's not injury prone. He got ran into the ground this season just like FVV.

Fractured fingers aren't a result of playing too many minutes. A player can fracture his finger 5 seconds into a basketball game. And Fred suffered a bone bruise from an apparent fall in a game against New Orleans. That also wasn't a result of getting run into the ground. The best players in the league play a lot of minutes unless you happen to play on an extremely good team that blows people out or an absolutely awful team that gets blown out.

Players who played over 37 minutes a game - KD, Pascal, FVV, Kyrie, Harden, Lebron. Four of these players are over 30 years old. There were 21 players in the league that averaged over 35 minutes a game. Don't get me wrong, teams would love to play their best players less but that's not always the case and medical staffs clearly see no problem with players playing 37 minutes a night. If they did, a 33 year old KD coming off a ruptured achilles, a 33 year old Harden coming off a hamstring injury and a 37 year old Lebron wouldn't be playing over 37 minutes a night. Fred and Pascal are actually the youngest in this group. I don't think people realize how involved these medical staffs are. There are articles and videos about the role our medical staff plays on the team. Basically, OG wouldn't play 36 minutes a night unless the medical staff cleared him to do so.

OG is an awesome player but he's not a very fluid athlete. There is an awkwardness to his game. He's also a physical player that seems to take hard falls every game. Look at a player like Pascal and how he moves on the court compared to OG.

Fractured fingers? Lol

I've played basketball all my life. I have dislocated 8 of my fingers. It happens. He's not injury prone. That was his first finger fracture. What are we even talking about here.

He plays hard on both ends and this year was out because of a groin injury (likely due to extended minutes) and a fractured finger... but lets not get that confused for being 'injury prone' - that's just false. Injury prone labels are used on guys like Porzingis.

I don't disagree he has an awkward balance when he's getting more into the lane but I don't think you can scientifically tell me that is correlated to an injury (especially when not 1 is re-occuring).

You said the team ran him into the ground. His injuries weren't a result of getting run into the ground.

I don't think he's injury prone. I just think his awkwardness and lack of fluidity can make him more susceptible to injuries.

[WuTang_CMB]

Fractured fingers aren't a result of playing too many minutes. A player can fracture his finger 5 seconds into a basketball game. And Fred suffered a bone bruise from an apparent fall in a game against New Orleans. That also wasn't a result of getting run into the ground. The best players in the league play a lot of minutes unless you happen to play on an extremely good team that blows people out or an absolutely awful team that gets blown out.

Players who played over 37 minutes a game - KD, Pascal, FVV, Kyrie, Harden, Lebron. Four of these players are over 30 years old. There were 21 players in the league that averaged over 35 minutes a game. Don't get me wrong, teams would love to play their best players less but that's not always the case and medical staffs clearly see no problem with players playing 37 minutes a night. If they did, a 33 year old KD coming off a ruptured achilles, a 33 year old Harden coming off a hamstring injury and a 37 year old Lebron wouldn't be playing over 37 minutes a night. Fred and Pascal are actually the youngest in this group. I don't think people realize how involved these medical staffs are. There are articles and videos about the role our medical staff plays on the team. Basically, OG wouldn't play 36 minutes a night unless the medical staff cleared him to do so.

OG is an awesome player but he's not a very fluid athlete. There is an awkwardness to his game. He's also a physical player that seems to take hard falls every game. Look at a player like Pascal and how he moves on the court compared to OG.

Fractured fingers? Lol

I've played basketball all my life. I have dislocated 8 of my fingers. It happens. He's not injury prone. That was his first finger fracture. What are we even talking about here.

He plays hard on both ends and this year was out because of a groin injury (likely due to extended minutes) and a fractured finger... but lets not get that confused for being 'injury prone' - that's just false. Injury prone labels are used on guys like Porzingis.

I don't disagree he has an awkward balance when he's getting more into the lane but I don't think you can scientifically tell me that is correlated to an injury (especially when not 1 is re-occuring).

You said the team ran him into the ground. His injuries weren't a result of getting run into the ground.

I don't think he's injury prone. I just think his awkwardness and lack of fluidity can make him more susceptible to injuries.

Im not a doctor but Groin injuries usually are a result of over usage

[dgr81]

If you're getting someone like Ayton, you better be getting a PG to get him the ball.