Remind me why the Raptors traded Norman Powell

[FreshyFlames]

Masai traded Norm because 90% of this board is obsessed with younger players and they’re potentially thinking that you can have a team of 5 super stars under the age of 25. Raptor fans seem to hate older players and want them to always get traded.

What happened in reality is I think they misread the market for what Norm was going to cost to resign and Gary seemed like a younger and cheaper option. Norm is awesome 6th man type of guy for any team

Right, Masai traded Norm to satisfy 90% of losers on realgm. Good one.

[JPriest]

understand the grind >>> bet on yourself. Norm's motto should've been floating around and a theme of the team's culture. instead it's a bunch of guys being selfish and stat padding with a disregard for the grind due to what appears to have been piss poor coaching. Norm's shoot elite shooting, driving prowess, and intensity would've been welcome over FVV's ball hogging and hero balling chucking.

[Airmiess]

Powell is one of the worst defenders in the league. DBook saw that guy and got cheesed they dared even putting him on Book. Green light powell, U got the green light to go right at him

Book is one of the greatest scorers of his time. Butler just lit up one of the best perimeter defensive teams.. great players can't be stopped by one guy in this era.

[kirkwood]

Likely due to cap specialist GM Bobby Webster advice, just one of many poor moves that Masai blindly agreed to

[GreatWhiteStiff]

The move was made to replace the oder, more expensive win now player who was becoming a free agent for the younger, cheaper, less established player with potential during a season they were tanking. I think it's pretty self explanatory. If they don't deal Powell, they probably also don't move up in the draft and get Barnes because keeping Powell would've made the team better.

Using probabalistic reasoning/without hindsight bias you're a dog to move up in the draft either way and the difference in wins between powell and GTJ down the stretch probably isn't large.

Maybe they get Franz Wagner or Alp Sengun instead. Shrugs.

[mdenny]

I like Norm more than I like trent but I really don't think that trade was so lop-sided.

I also want to say....I hate that dumb clip where kawhi refuses to fist bump norm. Ppl like to say it's kawhi being focused and teaching norm to be a winner and I think that's horse-xxxx.

Just fist bump your teammate man. Don't be a dick and don't embarass him for no reason. So unnecessary. Norm's career is a great story and you could tell his raptor teammates weren't happy with the trade when it happened.

[dacrusha]

Trade deadline in a 27-win year with an aging 6th man who's contract is expiring and make a trade for a 15PPG player on his rookie contract with the potential to be a long-term, solid SG. This was a great risk to take IMO... Norm wasn't in our long-term plans and the team had to start auditioning some young players to fit in to the next iteration of the roster.

Obviously, hind-sight is 20/20 - GTJ is an absolute black hole and better suited to a bench role on a contending roster - and Norm has continued his quietly steady play.

[OakleyDokely]

Trade deadline in a 27-win year with an aging 6th man who's contract is expiring and make a trade for a 15PPG player on his rookie contract with the potential to be a long-term, solid SG. This was a great risk to take IMO... Norm wasn't in our long-term plans and the team had to start auditioning some young players to fit in to the next iteration of the roster.

Obviously, hind-sight is 20/20 - GTJ is an absolute black hole and better suited to a bench role on a contending roster - and Norm has continued his quietly steady play.

This move was what most of this board was begging for this deadline, trading a vet for a prospect. A lot of the time, the prospect doesn't develop into a player as good as the guy you traded away, hence the risk.

[Steelo Green]

Grent was just not a great prospect and was about to get paid.

Trading Norm for late first rounder would have been the better choice. Cheaper option you can develop. We all knew what Grent would be.

[OakleyDokely]

A late 1st has less value than GTJ. GTJ was/is a legit rotation player, while one of the better outcomes for a late 1st is getting a rotation player. GTJ is one of the later picks who actually worked out.

[Backcountry]

We traded to get Rodney Hood, obviously. GTJ was just a throw-in.

[YogurtProducer]

The move was made to replace the oder, more expensive win now player who was becoming a free agent for the younger, cheaper, less established player with potential during a season they were tanking. I think it's pretty self explanatory. If they don't deal Powell, they probably also don't move up in the draft and get Barnes because keeping Powell would've made the team better.

Using probabalistic reasoning/without hindsight bias you're a dog to move up in the draft either way and the difference in wins between powell and GTJ down the stretch probably isn't large.

Maybe they get Franz Wagner or Alp Sengun instead. Shrugs.

IF the difference between Powell and GTJ would not have made any difference in wins, then is it not logical to swap the older player for the younger player if they are so similar in impact?

[Purple+Black]

Likely due to cap specialist GM Bobby Webster advice, just one of many poor moves that Masai blindly agreed to

Have to agree with this assessment.

[OakleyDokely]

The move was made to replace the oder, more expensive win now player who was becoming a free agent for the younger, cheaper, less established player with potential during a season they were tanking. I think it's pretty self explanatory. If they don't deal Powell, they probably also don't move up in the draft and get Barnes because keeping Powell would've made the team better.

Using probabalistic reasoning/without hindsight bias you're a dog to move up in the draft either way and the difference in wins between powell and GTJ down the stretch probably isn't large.

Maybe they get Franz Wagner or Alp Sengun instead. Shrugs.

IF the difference between Powell and GTJ would not have made any difference in wins, then is it not logical to swap the older player for the younger player if they are so similar in impact?

and cheaper player for 2.5 years.

[Steelo Green]

A late 1st has less value than GTJ. GTJ was/is a legit rotation player, while one of the better outcomes for a late 1st is getting a rotation player. GTJ is one of the later picks who actually worked out.

And what about the rookie scale contract versus the guy looking to get paid? There are so many levels as to why that trade was bad.

He is about to walk for nothing.

[OakleyDokely]

A late 1st has less value than GTJ. GTJ was/is a legit rotation player, while one of the better outcomes for a late 1st is getting a rotation player. GTJ is one of the later picks who actually worked out.

And what about the rookie scale contract versus the guy looking to get paid? There are so many levels as to why that trade was bad.

He is about to walk for nothing.

For a team that isn't a cap space team nor attracts free agents and only uses its exceptions, that cap difference meant very little to them.

The Raps had him for 2.5 years and they hold his bird rights. That's not nothing.

[Steelo Green]

A late 1st has less value than GTJ. GTJ was/is a legit rotation player, while one of the better outcomes for a late 1st is getting a rotation player. GTJ is one of the later picks who actually worked out.

And what about the rookie scale contract versus the guy looking to get paid? There are so many levels as to why that trade was bad.

He is about to walk for nothing.

For a team that isn't a cap space team nor attracts free agents and only uses its exceptions, that cap difference meant very little to them.

The Raps had him for 2.5 years and they hold his bird rights. That's not nothing.

Cap space isn't just about signing free agents, it can be used in trades to take on salary, and we have made a ton of deals to avoid the luxury tax.

This was just a bad move for so many reasons. We got a one dimensional player who was about to get paid who never showed he could grow, and if he did do well, was looking for a huge payday, and if he failed, you missed.

Given trades that have happened a late first and second could have been had for Norm, but we chose poorly.

[Badonkadonk]

People really overthinking this. Both guys profiled as bench scorers with big flaws that would make them untenable as starters. GTJ is 6 years younger, Raps traded the more finished product in case the 22yr old could develop into something more.

Really a low-risk shot to take, because why not? I love Norm but he's not changing the fortunes of any franchise and was about to make market $$.

[OakleyDokely]

And what about the rookie scale contract versus the guy looking to get paid? There are so many levels as to why that trade was bad.

He is about to walk for nothing.

For a team that isn't a cap space team nor attracts free agents and only uses its exceptions, that cap difference meant very little to them.

The Raps had him for 2.5 years and they hold his bird rights. That's not nothing.

Cap space isn't just about signing free agents, it can be used in trades to take on salary, and we have made a ton of deals to avoid the luxury tax.

This was just a bad move for so many reasons. We got a one dimensional player who was about to get paid who never showed he could grow, and if he did do well, was looking for a huge payday, and if he failed, you missed.

Given trades that have happened a late first and second could have been had for Norm, but we chose poorly.

your problem is that you're expectations for what a free agent role player brings back in a trade are completely unrealistic. GTJ is/was a young, productive rotation player / starter who the Raps got 2.5 years out of and possible more.

We have no idea if a 1st was ever offered for Norm by the way, but I know what won't stop you from pretending it was.

Name the rentals who were traded for a 1st at this deadline.

[Steelo Green]

For a team that isn't a cap space team nor attracts free agents and only uses its exceptions, that cap difference meant very little to them.

The Raps had him for 2.5 years and they hold his bird rights. That's not nothing.

Cap space isn't just about signing free agents, it can be used in trades to take on salary, and we have made a ton of deals to avoid the luxury tax.

This was just a bad move for so many reasons. We got a one dimensional player who was about to get paid who never showed he could grow, and if he did do well, was looking for a huge payday, and if he failed, you missed.

Given trades that have happened a late first and second could have been had for Norm, but we chose poorly.

your problem is that you're expectations for what a free agent role player brings back in a trade is completely unrealistic.

We have no idea if a 1st was ever offered for Norm by the way, but I know what won't stop you from pretending it was.

Name the rentals who were traded for a 1st at this deadline.

Jakob Poetl, Josh Hart (PO who will opt out),

Who we now have to sign so it's not a rental similar to what Portland did.

Saddiq Bey got 5 seconds. Give me that over Trent. There was no benefit of Trent, and now he leaves for nothing.