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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#281 » by TheGeneral99 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:46 pm

Scase wrote:
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Scase wrote:When the blazers go into a rebuild sooner than the raptors. Just wow.


JRoy eating good these days. Even the "bad" Grant contract isn't a big deal to an actual rebuilding team and can be flipped for value return unlike us losing FVV for nothing. Even that mediocre FO is playing circles around Masai skill-wise. Sad to see.

You gotta love how a lot of the same posters being okay with trading Siakam now for pennies on the dollar gave out such honest arguments at the deadline like us turning into the Orlando Magic or Houston rockets and tanking for 10+ years due to being unavoidably terrible the moment we traded away the sacred cow.

Narrative is God to these people.

The dumbest part about those people claiming we will be the Magic/Rockets, is they are the same ones that preach "Trust in masai" and wax intellectuals about how great our drafting is.

So either we've got a great FO that can properly navigate a full teardown and rebuild. Or they are incompetent and we will be the magic 2.0. But with them, somehow it's both. Have faith in the FO, but only if I agree with the direction.

I'm convinced all the people like this are just fans of players and not teams, since I never hear "Yeah we should do this for the betterment of the team long term." but, instead it's always defending these players like they are family.


Or maybe you don't always need a full teardown or rebuild to transition into a new era. Why is it always full rebuild or nothing?

The Warriors never intentionally tanked. They got Curry with the 7th pick, Klay at 11, Draymond at 35 and made start signings.

Bucks found Giannis at 15 and Middleton later as well. They were a treadmill team at this time.

Denver got Jokic at 47, MPJ and 14 and Murray at 7.

Did these teams go through intentional and deliberate tear downs and rebuilds? Rebuilding is one option, but it's not the only option to secure talent. There are also circumstances where it makes more sense to rebuild. Portland won 33 games with a healthy Dame for most of the year and have been bad the last couple of years without much around him. It makes sense for them to get as much as they can for Dame at this juncture, especially considering he's 32.

The catch 22 is if you fully tear down your team, rebuild and get a superstar level talent, it takes years for that person to develop and if you don't build a great team around them, they will leave in free agency.

In 2016/2017 we seemed to be a stalemate in terms of our growth, but smart draft picks in Powell, Delon, Poeltl, OG, Siakam and the Fred pick up carried us through and added serious depth and talent despite only having 1 lottery pick.

You have to look at all options.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#282 » by KL78192020 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:46 pm

Scase wrote:When the blazers go into a rebuild sooner than the raptors. Just wow.


Especially when you consider they actually have him under contract and control him. FVV/GTJ, should've been traded. Raptors lucked out with GTJ opting in. Siakam/OG are soon to be free agents, yet Masai still won't trade them.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#283 » by MiamiSPX » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:48 pm

Once Lowry is traded, or stretched & waived, he's going to text Vincent and VanVleet and say "See? This is why you take the money....it's business".
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#284 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:48 pm

Blazers could just go "we like this offer better" at this point. Not that they will.

In all reality we'd have to make his short list. Even if it's like we did with Kawhi...at the end.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#285 » by Scase » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:49 pm

bape_lovers wrote:How? They got scoot and we got Scottie. Both 3rd and 4th picks.

Scase wrote:When the blazers go into a rebuild sooner than the raptors. Just wow.

Are you really arguing that we are in a rebuild, because Covid forced Masais hand? And that there is no difference between that trading your franchise player?

I swear to god some of you people haven't got a rational thought in your head.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#286 » by Los_29 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:49 pm

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Scase wrote:When the blazers go into a rebuild sooner than the raptors. Just wow.


Especially when you consider they actually have him under contract and control him. FVV/GTJ, should've been traded. Raptors lucked out with GTJ opting in. Siakam/OG are soon to be free agents, yet Masai still won't trade them.


Just because someone is going to be a free agent doesn't mean you have to trade them. LOL.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#287 » by TorontoBarneys » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:50 pm

Scase wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:
Scase wrote:When the blazers go into a rebuild sooner than the raptors. Just wow.


JRoy eating good these days. Even the "bad" Grant contract isn't a big deal to an actual rebuilding team and can be flipped for value return unlike us losing FVV for nothing. Even that mediocre FO is playing circles around Masai skill-wise. Sad to see.

You gotta love how a lot of the same posters being okay with trading Siakam now for pennies on the dollar gave out such honest arguments at the deadline like us turning into the Orlando Magic or Houston rockets and tanking for 10+ years due to being unavoidably terrible the moment we traded away the sacred cow.

Narrative is God to these people.

The dumbest part about those people claiming we will be the Magic/Rockets, is they are the same ones that preach "Trust in masai" and wax intellectuals about how great our drafting is.

So either we've got a great FO that can properly navigate a full teardown and rebuild. Or they are incompetent and we will be the magic 2.0. But with them, somehow it's both. Have faith in the FO, but only if I agree with the direction.

I'm convinced all the people like this are just fans of players and not teams, since I never hear "Yeah we should do this for the betterment of the team long term." but, instead it's always defending these players like they are family.


Yeah it never made sense to me. Complete faith in Masai but if we actually changed course and started rebuilding all of a sudden we are at great threat for being terrible essentially forever. It never made any rational sense whatsoever. Posters have clearly picked their camps for a while now and are formulating arguments out of necessity to their own emotional responses to team developments.

It's blatantly obvious that certain elements of the fanbase utterly detest building through the lottery as a concept and will use any rhetorical tricks necessary to present such a scenario as an outrageous proposition. That was obvious to me shortly after joining here.

I just wish some people could actually be honest and just say "No, I don't want to tank/rebuild no matter what because I have no personal interest in watching a team that doesn't have a chance for playing in the playoffs in seasons x and y, so I'm never going to support such an endeavor even if it means in the long-term we do get there, because I will miss out on my playoff entertainment for a couple seasons or more as a result." Wouldn't life be simpler if people could just do this? :lol:
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#288 » by KL78192020 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:50 pm

Los_29 wrote:
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Scase wrote:When the blazers go into a rebuild sooner than the raptors. Just wow.


Especially when you consider they actually have him under contract and control him. FVV/GTJ, should've been traded. Raptors lucked out with GTJ opting in. Siakam/OG are soon to be free agents, yet Masai still won't trade them.


Just because someone is going to be a free agent doesn't mean you have to trade them. LOL.


No it doesn't but you risk losing them as free agents, and the longer you wait the lower their value goes. Don't think the Raptors will be able to max out both OG and Siakam.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#289 » by EH15 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:51 pm

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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#290 » by bape_lovers » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:51 pm

10000000000% all in to trade Pascal since last season. The unfortunate part is that Dame is way better than Pascal hence why we even have a thread for this.

Scase wrote:
bape_lovers wrote:How? They got scoot and we got Scottie. Both 3rd and 4th picks.

Scase wrote:When the blazers go into a rebuild sooner than the raptors. Just wow.

Are you really arguing that we are in a rebuild, because Covid forced Masais hand? And that there is no difference between that trading your franchise player?

I swear to god some of you people haven't got a rational thought in your head.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#291 » by Mattatron » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:53 pm

Let's say Blazers are deciding, independently of Lillards wish to join Miami, to trade Lillard for the best offer, I really think a framework deal that include
Scottie Barnes, Precious Achiuwa, Boucher, Dad Young, Flynn +Porter plus couple FRP would be one of the better, if not the best offer out there. Especially compared to Miami and Brooklyn.

Imagine Lillard, GTJ, OG, Siakam & Poeltl
And Schroeder, Dick Pic.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#292 » by TheGeneral99 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:54 pm

Mattatron wrote:Let's say Blazers are deciding, independently of Lillards wish to join Miami, to trade Lillard for the best offer, I really think a framework deal that include
Scottie Barnes, Precious Achiuwa, Boucher, Dad Young, Flynn +Porter plus couple FRP would be one of the better, if not the best offer out there. Especially compared to Miami and Brooklyn.

Imagine Lillard, GTJ, OG, Siakam & Poeltl
And Schroeder, Dick Pic.


Yeah I'm not even sure if we make it past the 2nd round with that roster to be honest.

That's terrible depth.

Lillard is awesome, but he's not a great facilitator and not a great defender. Obviously he's an unbelievable player/scorer. There is a reason why Portland only won 42, 27 and 33 games in the last 3 seasons.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#293 » by TorontoBarneys » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:55 pm

Mattatron wrote:Let's say Blazers are deciding, independently of Lillards wish to join Miami, to trade Lillard for the best offer, I really think a framework deal that include
Scottie Barnes, Precious Achiuwa, Boucher, Dad Young, Flynn +Porter plus couple FRP would be one of the better, if not the best offer out there. Especially compared to Miami and Brooklyn.

Imagine Lillard, GTJ, OG, Siakam & Poeltl
And Schroeder, Dick Pic.


fire nurse for playing his starters 38 min a night to repeat that very same thing due to 0 depth
brilliant!
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#294 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:55 pm

The best offer's Hero atm. Let's not make it hard on ourselves, it's a relatively low bar.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#295 » by Los_29 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:55 pm

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Especially when you consider they actually have him under contract and control him. FVV/GTJ, should've been traded. Raptors lucked out with GTJ opting in. Siakam/OG are soon to be free agents, yet Masai still won't trade them.


Just because someone is going to be a free agent doesn't mean you have to trade them. LOL.


No it doesn't but you risk losing them as free agents, and the longer you wait the lower their value goes. Don't think the Raptors will be able to max out both OG and Siakam.


I think they can now after losing Fred. Trading Pascal makes a lot of sense now that they've lost Fred though. Don't think they should trade both unless teams send Masai an offer for OG that he can't refuse.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#296 » by manjusaka » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:58 pm

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If that is the case…

Heat doesn’t have much to offer. Portland may be getting something similar to what Washington had got. Or even worse…
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#297 » by Mattatron » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:58 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:
Mattatron wrote:Let's say Blazers are deciding, independently of Lillards wish to join Miami, to trade Lillard for the best offer, I really think a framework deal that include
Scottie Barnes, Precious Achiuwa, Boucher, Dad Young, Flynn +Porter plus couple FRP would be one of the better, if not the best offer out there. Especially compared to Miami and Brooklyn.

Imagine Lillard, GTJ, OG, Siakam & Poeltl
And Schroeder, Dick Pic.


fire nurse for playing his starters 38 min a night to repeat that very same thing due to 0 depth
brilliant!


Do u really expect that Flynn, Boucher, Thad and Otto make such a big difference ? I don't think they will see any playing time. So it's basically, Barnes, Achiuwa and frp's. In the playoffs you need a solid 8 man rotation. Just like 2019. The Lin's and Meek's just holding gatorades.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#298 » by TheGeneral99 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:58 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:
Scase wrote:
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JRoy eating good these days. Even the "bad" Grant contract isn't a big deal to an actual rebuilding team and can be flipped for value return unlike us losing FVV for nothing. Even that mediocre FO is playing circles around Masai skill-wise. Sad to see.

You gotta love how a lot of the same posters being okay with trading Siakam now for pennies on the dollar gave out such honest arguments at the deadline like us turning into the Orlando Magic or Houston rockets and tanking for 10+ years due to being unavoidably terrible the moment we traded away the sacred cow.

Narrative is God to these people.

The dumbest part about those people claiming we will be the Magic/Rockets, is they are the same ones that preach "Trust in masai" and wax intellectuals about how great our drafting is.

So either we've got a great FO that can properly navigate a full teardown and rebuild. Or they are incompetent and we will be the magic 2.0. But with them, somehow it's both. Have faith in the FO, but only if I agree with the direction.

I'm convinced all the people like this are just fans of players and not teams, since I never hear "Yeah we should do this for the betterment of the team long term." but, instead it's always defending these players like they are family.


Yeah it never made sense to me. Complete faith in Masai but if we actually changed course and started rebuilding all of a sudden we are at great threat for being terrible essentially forever. It never made any rational sense whatsoever. Posters have clearly picked their camps for a while now and are formulating arguments out of necessity to their own emotional responses to team developments.

It's blatantly obvious that certain elements of the fanbase utterly detest building through the lottery as a concept and will use any rhetorical tricks necessary to present such a scenario as an outrageous proposition. That was obvious to me shortly after joining here.

I just wish some people could actually be honest and just say "No, I don't want to tank/rebuild no matter what because I have no personal interest in watching a team that doesn't have a chance for playing in the playoffs in seasons x and y, so I'm never going to support such an endeavor even if it means in the long-term we do get there, because I will miss out on my playoff entertainment for a couple seasons or more as a result." Wouldn't life be simpler if people could just do this? :lol:


I think the issue is the all or nothing attitude here.

There are times where rebuilding is indeed the correct option, but is rebuilding the only way to acquire talent and build your asset collection?

You can still be a solid and competitive team and accumulate assets in the draft or through smart trades.
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#299 » by aj174 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 6:00 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:Get a 40M trade exemption from Houston, use that along with Scottie for Dame.

Dame / Dick / OG / Siakam / Poeltl
Dennis / GTJ / OPJ / Boucher / Achiwua


This team would barely make the second round. The starting lineup looks decent but the bench? Nahh, cant win with those cats
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Re: Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade 

Post#300 » by Mattatron » Sat Jul 1, 2023 6:00 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:
Mattatron wrote:Let's say Blazers are deciding, independently of Lillards wish to join Miami, to trade Lillard for the best offer, I really think a framework deal that include
Scottie Barnes, Precious Achiuwa, Boucher, Dad Young, Flynn +Porter plus couple FRP would be one of the better, if not the best offer out there. Especially compared to Miami and Brooklyn.

Imagine Lillard, GTJ, OG, Siakam & Poeltl
And Schroeder, Dick Pic.


Yeah I'm not even sure if we make it past the 2nd round with that roster to be honest.

That's terrible depth.

Lillard is awesome, but he's not a great facilitator and not a great defender. Obviously he's an unbelievable player/scorer. There is a reason why Portland only won 42, 27 and 33 games in the last 3 seasons.


Of course but Portland never really build a competitive team around him with good defenders. Instead he had to deal with nurkic and cj for 7+ years.

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