Pacers Pick Tracking (Update: #19 officially)

[Coco Costanza]

This thread is gonna be a constant reminder of how we couldn't even get the 12th and 13th man from the damn pacers for who was our best player post championship. Sigghhhh lol

It's annoying because so many Pacers fans didn't seem to think he justified trading someone like Jarace Walker for him, and now that they have Pascal, they love him.

[Tor_Raps]

This thread is gonna be a constant reminder of how we couldn't even get the 12th and 13th man from the damn pacers for who was our best player post championship. Sigghhhh lol

It's annoying because so many Pacers fans didn't seem to think he justified trading someone like Jarace Walker for him, and now that they have Pascal, they love him.

We're not even talking about Walker who probably won't ever play more than 15 minutes a game with Siakam there. We're talking about 2 of Ben Sheppard, Toppin, Jackson, Nembhard, Smith. Those guys would immediately become big rotation players for us while most of them are just injury insurance/DNP for the Pacers.

[Tha Cynic]

I think the Pacers players are overrated and maybe Masai really only cared about two of them and would rather have the picks than the other guys. But to not even address the front court depth issue was kind of bizarre lol

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Congrats Siakam on triple double, great game for him and he can still play. He's playing tough defense out there

I'm convinced if Masai drafted Suggs, the team will still be intact. Barnes is a budding star, but made Siakam expendable

FVV
Suggs
OG
Siakam
Poeltl

Of course he can still play....he's 29. He still has 4-5 more years before he declines. Wishful thinking that he's on the downturn by some here, it's pretty sad.

[bballsparkin]

We're not even talking about Walker who probably won't ever play more than 15 minutes a game with Siakam there. We're talking about 2 of Ben Sheppard, Toppin, Jackson, Nembhard, Smith. Those guys would immediately become big rotation players for us while most of them are just injury insurance/DNP for the Pacers.

What's so special about Toppin? Smith is about to be a UFA. I would have liked one of Nembhard, Jackson or Sheppard but none look like deal breakers. Lets see how the FO deals with Brown and uses the 3 FRPs before we make judgment. Fact is Pascal is about to be paid big bucks and maybe the FO has some cards up their sleeves.

[Tor_Raps]

We're not even talking about Walker who probably won't ever play more than 15 minutes a game with Siakam there. We're talking about 2 of Ben Sheppard, Toppin, Jackson, Nembhard, Smith. Those guys would immediately become big rotation players for us while most of them are just injury insurance/DNP for the Pacers.

What's so special about Toppin? Smith is about to be a UFA. I would have liked one of Nembhard, Jackson or Sheppard but none look like deal breakers. Lets see how the FO deals with Brown and uses the 3 FRPs before we make judgment. Fact is Pascal is about to be paid big bucks and maybe the FO has some cards up their sleeves.

I'm just comparing the fillers of Nwora + Lewis to ANY of those guys. We could have let Indy pick any 2 and they would actually have a big role on our team even if you don't think they're special. Most of us were hoping for another OG like deal instead of a pick heavy deal in a horrible draft.

[bballsparkin]

I'm just comparing the fillers of Nwora + Lewis to ANY of those guys. We could have let Indy pick any 2 and they would actually have a big role on our team even if you don't think they're special. Most of us were hoping for another OG like deal instead of a pick heavy deal in a horrible draft.

I'm okay with a pick heavy deal in a so called "horrible draft". I'll wait and see how that plays out first. Pascal wanted the Pacers and he wants to get paid. He doesn't fit a lot of teams the same way OG does. Perhaps the FO secretly hopes to retain their 2024 pick as well. It looks like the odds of retaining it are 50/50 at present. Guess it depends if you're a cup half empty or half full guy.

I get not being enamoured with the return. I personally think it's not bad and look forward to seeing the next moves moving onward.

[JB7]

We're not even talking about Walker who probably won't ever play more than 15 minutes a game with Siakam there. We're talking about 2 of Ben Sheppard, Toppin, Jackson, Nembhard, Smith. Those guys would immediately become big rotation players for us while most of them are just injury insurance/DNP for the Pacers.

What's so special about Toppin? Smith is about to be a UFA. I would have liked one of Nembhard, Jackson or Sheppard but none look like deal breakers. Lets see how the FO deals with Brown and uses the 3 FRPs before we make judgment. Fact is Pascal is about to be paid big bucks and maybe the FO has some cards up their sleeves.

I'm just comparing the fillers of Nwora + Lewis to ANY of those guys. We could have let Indy pick any 2 and they would actually have a big role on our team even if you don't think they're special. Most of us were hoping for another OG like deal instead of a pick heavy deal in a horrible draft.

The difference in the Pascal vs OG deal probably just comes down to value, and teams found OG way more valuable than Pascal.

[Tor_Raps]

What's so special about Toppin? Smith is about to be a UFA. I would have liked one of Nembhard, Jackson or Sheppard but none look like deal breakers. Lets see how the FO deals with Brown and uses the 3 FRPs before we make judgment. Fact is Pascal is about to be paid big bucks and maybe the FO has some cards up their sleeves.

I'm just comparing the fillers of Nwora + Lewis to ANY of those guys. We could have let Indy pick any 2 and they would actually have a big role on our team even if you don't think they're special. Most of us were hoping for another OG like deal instead of a pick heavy deal in a horrible draft.

The difference in the Pascal vs OG deal probably just comes down to value, and teams found OG way more valuable than Pascal.

I think the biggest thing was that OG probably already agreed to stay with the Knicks so they were comfortable trading a lot to us. Siakam kept saying he wanted to test free agency so that obviously makes other teams not want to give up much in return. That's the risk you run when you keep a guy who you never planned to max out, which is what most of us are frustrated with.

[WaltFrazier]

I think the Pacers players are overrated and maybe Masai really only cared about two of them and would rather have the picks than the other guys. But to not even address the front court depth issue was kind of bizarre lol

Masai didn't address center or backup PG for 2+ years, why should he rush to address forwards now?

[JB7]

I'm just comparing the fillers of Nwora + Lewis to ANY of those guys. We could have let Indy pick any 2 and they would actually have a big role on our team even if you don't think they're special. Most of us were hoping for another OG like deal instead of a pick heavy deal in a horrible draft.

The difference in the Pascal vs OG deal probably just comes down to value, and teams found OG way more valuable than Pascal.

I think the biggest thing was that OG probably already agreed to stay with the Knicks so they were comfortable trading a lot to us. Siakam kept saying he wanted to test free agency so that obviously makes other teams not want to give up much in return. That's the risk you run when you keep a guy who you never planned to max out, which is what most of us are frustrated with.

I think every team knew they needed to pay Pascal the max, which would make a deal easier if teams were willing to pay it to Siakam, because the team holding his bird rights could offer him the most.

Whereas with OG, nobody was saying he was worth the max, which makes trading for him more problematic because a team could sweep in and offer him a max, if the team trading for him was not intending on maxing him. I think the connections to OG via his agent gave NYK enough assurances to trade both RJ & IQ, plus the pick.

I just don't think Pascal was worth the max to most teams, and therefore teams were not willing to offer much because of the risk he could walk to any team offering it to him in free agency.

[Ell Curry]

We're not even talking about Walker who probably won't ever play more than 15 minutes a game with Siakam there. We're talking about 2 of Ben Sheppard, Toppin, Jackson, Nembhard, Smith. Those guys would immediately become big rotation players for us while most of them are just injury insurance/DNP for the Pacers.

What's so special about Toppin? Smith is about to be a UFA. I would have liked one of Nembhard, Jackson or Sheppard but none look like deal breakers. Lets see how the FO deals with Brown and uses the 3 FRPs before we make judgment. Fact is Pascal is about to be paid big bucks and maybe the FO has some cards up their sleeves.

I think Jackson was the miss. Centers like him don't really get big offers and he's a promising backup center. With Koloko out and Poeltl older than Barnes, Barrett or IQ, I think we'll end up using one of our picks on a backup center type, and it would have been nice to have Jackson and spend the Pacers or Thunder pick on an overseas guy (Klintman) or a top HS recruit who has struggled as a freshman (Edwards) or just a guard who is still raw but has some tools (Proctor, Carrington).

Smith we can probably sign as a free agent if we're buying him as a late bloomer 2nd contract guy who can be a decent stretch 5 type.

[OakleyDokely]

Current draft slots (before lottery / coin flips):

#6 (TOR)
#18 (IND)
#27 (OKC)
#31 (DET)

[YogurtProducer]

I think the Pacers players are overrated and maybe Masai really only cared about two of them and would rather have the picks than the other guys. But to not even address the front court depth issue was kind of bizarre lol

I mean IMO it is by design.

Sure, we want to "win" but you can certainly hinder your ability to by having awful roster construction. Not having a center might be the easier way to lose on purpose without it being completely obvious. I expect Poeltl to get a lot of "oh no his leg is sore..." sits down the stretch.

[Psubs]

Current draft slots (before lottery / coin flips):

#6 (TOR)
#18 (IND)
#27 (OKC)
#31 (DET)

#6 (TOR) - Salaun, Sheppard, Topic, Holland, Risacher, Cody Williams,
#18 (IND) - Furphy, Ivisic, Filipowski
#27 (OKC) - Ajinca
#31 (DET) - Edey

[Thaddy]

Current draft slots (before lottery / coin flips):

#6 (TOR)
#18 (IND)
#27 (OKC)
#31 (DET)

#6 (TOR) - Salaun, Sheppard, Topic, Holland, Risacher, Cody Williams,
#18 (IND) - Furphy, Ivisic, Filipowski
#27 (OKC) - Ajinca
#31 (DET) - Edey

Walter looks like a high floor and immediate contributor. I would say the same about Filipowski. They are great shooters and can hold their own on defense. The best about them is they can come in and fill roles immediately. After that I would look at adding high potential big man prospects like Kel'el Ware and Klintman.

[Tha Cynic]

I think the Pacers players are overrated and maybe Masai really only cared about two of them and would rather have the picks than the other guys. But to not even address the front court depth issue was kind of bizarre lol

I mean IMO it is by design.

Sure, we want to "win" but you can certainly hinder your ability to by having awful roster construction. Not having a center might be the easier way to lose on purpose without it being completely obvious. I expect Poeltl to get a lot of "oh no his leg is sore..." sits down the stretch.

Only issue here is, how are going to get those pieces now? Either you will have to trade players or add picks to players. The Siakam trade was probably the best opportunity

Maybe they use Bruce Brown for this or think they can draft immediate help, but the Pacers have an excess of those rotation pieces

[WaltFrazier]

I think the Pacers players are overrated and maybe Masai really only cared about two of them and would rather have the picks than the other guys. But to not even address the front court depth issue was kind of bizarre lol

I mean IMO it is by design.

Sure, we want to "win" but you can certainly hinder your ability to by having awful roster construction. Not having a center might be the easier way to lose on purpose without it being completely obvious. I expect Poeltl to get a lot of "oh no his leg is sore..." sits down the stretch.

Poeltl should ask to be traded. This isn't what he signed up for. He just said in interview he wants to play on a competitive team.

[Mr Funk]

I think Masai of old is back as he's now building a more traditional team and none of that 6'9" crap.

We're still going to have tall/long players comprising the bulk of the roster, as this has been a considerable trend in the league for some time (those DD/KL/CJ/PP etc small ball rotations were painful). Barrett and even Quickley are pretty big dudes.

Of course he can still play....he's 29. He still has 4-5 more years before he declines. Wishful thinking that he's on the downturn by some here, it's pretty sad.

Pretty ironic how a board member was put on the spot in this thread for their apparently poor takes, meanwhile this thread has had quite a few of these "let's shamelessly denigrate Pascal, even though he was just traded to Indiana, who are also on a long road trip, have a few ball dominant guards/hogs and haven't fit him into the offence yet and Haliburton is injured, but yeah it's all Pascal's fault etc etc."

[YogurtProducer]

I think the Pacers players are overrated and maybe Masai really only cared about two of them and would rather have the picks than the other guys. But to not even address the front court depth issue was kind of bizarre lol

I mean IMO it is by design.

Sure, we want to "win" but you can certainly hinder your ability to by having awful roster construction. Not having a center might be the easier way to lose on purpose without it being completely obvious. I expect Poeltl to get a lot of "oh no his leg is sore..." sits down the stretch.

Only issue here is, how are going to get those pieces now? Either you will have to trade players or add picks to players. The Siakam trade was probably the best opportunity

Maybe they use Bruce Brown for this or think they can draft immediate help, but the Pacers have an excess of those rotation pieces

By pieces you mean a center? Once you are ready to compete you can always go get one. Right now on the market there a number of solid centers that could be obtained. Claxton, Poeltl, Gafford, etc. If you keep some cap space you can always grab one later

There is always the draft to that we now have to rely on a little more than I think we probably want to.