What to do with Bruce Brown

[TimeForChange]

I’m only giving him to the Knicks if we’re getting Josh Hart/Divencenzo and Grimes back

OMG

[Rapsfan07]

And FWIW, I think that those who are expecting a a FRP and young pieces should lay off the drugs. We got 3 FRPs and filler contracts for our All-Star... we're not getting a FRP and a young piece for Bruce freaking Brown.

If Fournier + Grimes is on the table, you take it. He's young, cost controlled, shoots it well and plays defense. Fournier is an expiring contract and yes, Grimes takes a little away from our capspace in the summer but we weren't going to get a better player than Grimes at his current price point anyway so its really not even worth mentioning.

Or maybe we use the Brown contract to facilitate a Murray to NYK deal and both teams send us assets. There's so much that can be done.

Everyone knows what needs to be done here - let's just get it done.

[TimeForChange]

OG fits the current Raptors perfectly, if we are moving Brown I want to see we get someone similar to OG.

Brunson fits too

[ATLTimekeeper]

I don't think those comments are going to sit well with fans

If New York wants him, and think they can trade Fournier's awful contract for him, I'd ask for a King's ransom worth of picks

I could only imagine what his IG comments would look like if he didn't limit his interactions

no one is trading a kings ransom of picks for bruce brown

Ya that's the point, Bruce Brown shouldn't get to decide where he goes via trade. If the Knicks want him, and he's trying to force his way there, I'd be asking above market value

But I didn't realize Fournier was an expiring contract with a team option when I made the post, I thought he a player option. I'd still ask for their FRP though if they wanted him.

He can't force his way anywhere. He could literally say "I'm a Knick" and the Raptors will still trade him to an armpit for the highest return. There's no leverage.

[SpezNc]

Gotta be honest - I'm pretty surprised that people are hurt/shocked/offended/upset at Brown's comments.

He was always just passing through the team and was going to be moved at the deadline.

Yall gotta stop falling in love so fast man lol. He was never part of the long term plans, despite what Masai says and all parties would be better off by just doing what needs to be done.

We should be using that contract to take on negative salary for assets. He'll have a lot of interest around the league and we need to start learning from our mistakes of holding onto guys too long.

I would even argue that is comments help his trading value. In the sense that when a team is intrigued by player, it’s always better when the interest is reciprocated.

[Tripod]

Getting a 1st+Grimes+Fournier would be fine.

Adds a young piece
Adds a future piece
Clears cap space to use in the summer

Getting 3 usable assets that help our future would be a nice bit of business.

[JShuttlesworth]

no one is trading a kings ransom of picks for bruce brown

Ya that's the point, Bruce Brown shouldn't get to decide where he goes via trade. If the Knicks want him, and he's trying to force his way there, I'd be asking above market value

But I didn't realize Fournier was an expiring contract with a team option when I made the post, I thought he a player option. I'd still ask for their FRP though if they wanted him.

He can't force his way anywhere. He could literally say "I'm a Knick" and the Raptors will still trade him to an armpit for the highest return. There's no leverage.

Totally agree with that

[hype_2004]

Juar get rid of this fool, he obviously don't want to be here. Trade him to some armpit city like Utah or Atlanta or better yet Detroit and see how he likes it there.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Bruce Brown for Fournier, Grimes and 2024 1st pick (worse of NY or Dallas)

I would say package #31 or the 2024 OKC 1st pick before the deadline.

Grimes, Fournier and worse 1st, is it too much for Brown? Definitely something I would be happy with FO can pull it off. That’s said acquiring Grimes would reduce a bit our cap space

I would try to keep all my draft picks for the draft itself even if i don’t plan to use all the picks

that is too much for brown

Don’t buy into the Ny media hype. Grimes has no real value. If I’m going to jump on that deal I would insist on the Dallas pick. In a strong west they’re the most likely to underperform

[Zeno]

Juar get rid of this fool, he obviously don't want to be here. Trade him to some armpit city like Utah or Atlanta or better yet Detroit and see how he likes it there.

lol. Relax. He said nice things about Toronto too. He will be traded to wherever the best deal comes from and he knows this. He has no leverage to choose where he goes. It makes no logical sense to keep him anyway.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

And FWIW, I think that those who are expecting a a FRP and young pieces should lay off the drugs. We got 3 FRPs and filler contracts for our All-Star... we're not getting a FRP and a young piece for Bruce freaking Brown.

If Fournier + Grimes is on the table, you take it. He's young, cost controlled, shoots it well and plays defense. Fournier is an expiring contract and yes, Grimes takes a little away from our capspace in the summer but we weren't going to get a better player than Grimes at his current price point anyway so its really not even worth mentioning.

Or maybe we use the Brown contract to facilitate a Murray to NYK deal and both teams send us assets. There's so much that can be done.

Everyone knows what needs to be done here - let's just get it done.

Stop undervaluing our assets. Grimes has no real value. If that’s the best deal I’d rather hold onto brown. He can add some veteran stability to a rebuilding team.
If Murray is involved in a deal I’d rather him coming here.

[Raptorland23]

Was hanging with some friends today and talking ball, after a few drinks we all agree, F Brown and his open love for the Knicks, trade his azz

[Rapsfan07]

And FWIW, I think that those who are expecting a a FRP and young pieces should lay off the drugs. We got 3 FRPs and filler contracts for our All-Star... we're not getting a FRP and a young piece for Bruce freaking Brown.

If Fournier + Grimes is on the table, you take it. He's young, cost controlled, shoots it well and plays defense. Fournier is an expiring contract and yes, Grimes takes a little away from our capspace in the summer but we weren't going to get a better player than Grimes at his current price point anyway so its really not even worth mentioning.

Or maybe we use the Brown contract to facilitate a Murray to NYK deal and both teams send us assets. There's so much that can be done.

Everyone knows what needs to be done here - let's just get it done.

Stop undervaluing our assets. Grimes has no real value. If that’s the best deal I’d rather hold onto brown. He can add some veteran stability to a rebuilding team.
If Murray is involved in a deal I’d rather him coming here.

Veteran stability to what? What Veteran stability does Brown bring at $22M that we couldn't get for the MLE or less on the open market? Lol give me a break man.

He won't be resigning at the end of this current deal and even if he did, we won't be contending for at least a couple years at BEST and that assumes everything goes according to plan - which it often doesn't. So what exactly is the point to holding onto Bruce Brown?

Why are so many committed to making the same mistake over and over? He's at the top of his value at a time where we aren't winning. Don't overthink it and don't fall in love. Trade him now while you can get some future value.

Oh and Murray to Toronto is a horrible idea. He's going to cost resources that we could be using to put younger pieces around Barnes and he doesn't make us much better than we are now, if at all.

Masai re-iterated patience and that's the direction we need to be taking at this juncture.

[Blazing_royale]

trade him while he still has value

[agkagk]

And FWIW, I think that those who are expecting a a FRP and young pieces should lay off the drugs. We got 3 FRPs and filler contracts for our All-Star... we're not getting a FRP and a young piece for Bruce freaking Brown.

If Fournier + Grimes is on the table, you take it. He's young, cost controlled, shoots it well and plays defense. Fournier is an expiring contract and yes, Grimes takes a little away from our capspace in the summer but we weren't going to get a better player than Grimes at his current price point anyway so its really not even worth mentioning.

Or maybe we use the Brown contract to facilitate a Murray to NYK deal and both teams send us assets. There's so much that can be done.

Everyone knows what needs to be done here - let's just get it done.

Stop undervaluing our assets. Grimes has no real value. If that’s the best deal I’d rather hold onto brown. He can add some veteran stability to a rebuilding team.
If Murray is involved in a deal I’d rather him coming here.

Veteran stability to what? What Veteran stability does Brown bring at $22M that we couldn't get for the MLE or less on the open market? Lol give me a break man.

He won't be resigning at the end of this current deal and even if he did, we won't be contending for at least a couple years at BEST and that assumes everything goes according to plan - which it often doesn't. So what exactly is the point to holding onto Bruce Brown?

Why are so many committed to making the same mistake over and over? He's at the top of his value at a time where we aren't winning. Don't overthink it and don't fall in love. Trade him now while you can get some future value.

Oh and Murray to Toronto is a horrible idea. He's going to cost resources that we could be using to put younger pieces around Barnes and he doesn't make us much better than we are now, if at all.

Masai re-iterated patience and that's the direction we need to be taking at this juncture.

So scottie doesnt have to be our main defender and so he can continue to learn and grow play after play.

Quality Veteran mentors are invaluable to a rebuild.

Scottie, quick and r’s future potential benefits from playing with schroder, jakob and brown.

3 future late firsts are detriments to our young cores development.

Masais gotta walk a tight rope between both perspectives.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Stop undervaluing our assets. Grimes has no real value. If that’s the best deal I’d rather hold onto brown. He can add some veteran stability to a rebuilding team.
If Murray is involved in a deal I’d rather him coming here.

Veteran stability to what? What Veteran stability does Brown bring at $22M that we couldn't get for the MLE or less on the open market? Lol give me a break man.

He won't be resigning at the end of this current deal and even if he did, we won't be contending for at least a couple years at BEST and that assumes everything goes according to plan - which it often doesn't. So what exactly is the point to holding onto Bruce Brown?

Why are so many committed to making the same mistake over and over? He's at the top of his value at a time where we aren't winning. Don't overthink it and don't fall in love. Trade him now while you can get some future value.

Oh and Murray to Toronto is a horrible idea. He's going to cost resources that we could be using to put younger pieces around Barnes and he doesn't make us much better than we are now, if at all.

Masai re-iterated patience and that's the direction we need to be taking at this juncture.

So scottie doesnt have to be our main defender and so he can continue to learn and grow play after play.

Quality Veteran mentors are invaluable to a rebuild.

Scottie, quick and r’s future potential benefits from playing with schroder, jakob and brown.

3 future late firsts are detriments to our young cores development.

Masais gotta walk a tight rope between both perspectives.

Yup. Can’t have prospects 1-15

[agkagk]

Veteran stability to what? What Veteran stability does Brown bring at $22M that we couldn't get for the MLE or less on the open market? Lol give me a break man.

He won't be resigning at the end of this current deal and even if he did, we won't be contending for at least a couple years at BEST and that assumes everything goes according to plan - which it often doesn't. So what exactly is the point to holding onto Bruce Brown?

Why are so many committed to making the same mistake over and over? He's at the top of his value at a time where we aren't winning. Don't overthink it and don't fall in love. Trade him now while you can get some future value.

Oh and Murray to Toronto is a horrible idea. He's going to cost resources that we could be using to put younger pieces around Barnes and he doesn't make us much better than we are now, if at all.

Masai re-iterated patience and that's the direction we need to be taking at this juncture.

So scottie doesnt have to be our main defender and so he can continue to learn and grow play after play.

Quality Veteran mentors are invaluable to a rebuild.

Scottie, quick and r’s future potential benefits from playing with schroder, jakob and brown.

3 future late firsts are detriments to our young cores development.

Masais gotta walk a tight rope between both perspectives.

Yup. Can’t have prospects 1-15

Well this is a depressing counter argument to my point:

Went to tankaton.com

Our pick is top 6 protected.

Were 7th in the reverse standings and not out-tanking the bottom 6.

I ran the draft simulator ten times. We can in 9th all ten times lol.

[Son Goku 25]

Him fumbling the ball a couple of times and playing trash last game made it obv he was playing as a knick yesterday.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

So scottie doesnt have to be our main defender and so he can continue to learn and grow play after play.

Quality Veteran mentors are invaluable to a rebuild.

Scottie, quick and r’s future potential benefits from playing with schroder, jakob and brown.

3 future late firsts are detriments to our young cores development.

Masais gotta walk a tight rope between both perspectives.

Yup. Can’t have prospects 1-15

Well this is a depressing counter argument to my point:

Went to tankaton.com

Our pick is top 6 protected.

Were 7th in the reverse standings and not out-tanking the bottom 6.

I ran the draft simulator ten times. We can in 9th all ten times lol.

Our schedule lightens up. With a healthy Poeltl we might actually sneak into the play in

[Psubs]

trade him while he still has value

Trade him while is value is at it's highest. He will always have positive value.

Right now he's in his prime and has 1.5 years left with flexibility of a team option next season. I don't think his value will go up say in the summer or next deadline or next contract.

Speaking Bruce Brown for Grimes, Fournier and 1st pick into existence.