Shams: BI extension (3 Years $120M) **Presser at 5:15pm** Link Pg. 24

[brownbobcat]

I'm guessing IQ or Barrett are the odd guy out depending on how the draft shakes out.

We sure do have a lot of guards that could eventually take over the starting spot as well in Gradey and Jakobe who I project could be potential starters in a year or so...which just so happens to coincide with RJ's contract expiring.

Agbaji would be my candidate if they moved someone. That contract is much easier to trade

[Shakril]

Masai is just building talent at this point so he can possibly strike on another Kawhi type of deal in the future is what I am assuming.

I also believe either RJ or Poeltl will be traded in the offseason depending on where we end up in the draft.

The way the roster is currently constructed I don't see those guys on the roster for the beginning of next season.

people are getting hung up on the actual dollar value, numbers are so big now
but lets compare the team cap wise to the season before we got kawhi

kyle 29% of cap (31 years old)
demar 28% (28 years old)
ibaka 21% (28 years old)
jonas 15.6 (25 years)
cj miles 8% (30 years)
~101% of cap
plus young bench

vs now

barnes25%
ingram24.5%
iq 21%
rj 18%
jacob 12.6%
~ 101% of cap
plus young bench.

Bad comparison, as the team above was a top contender in the east for years. Our team right now has to prove themselves.

[right between the eyes]

I like the length!

That's what she said!
Sorry couldn't resist lol

[Shakril]

Is it that expensive? Seems pretty normal to me.

25%
24.5%
21%
18%
12.6%

~~101% for starting line up and thats of the regular cap, not tax line.

Phoenix is paying more for 3 players...

Do you want compare ourselves to the Suns?

[Jerry Lucas]

With this extension confirmed, the Raptors as they stand will begin the season above the luxury tax line next season if they end up with a top 3 pick.

The possible implication here (and org messaging about their feelings on this draft could back this up), is that they are so high on the 3 players at the top of their draft board, that they may have already convinced ownership to spend into the tax next season if they can add a top 3 pick specifically, to this current group of players.

Going to reply to myself as an edit instead of actually editing: I made a mistake on the initial math I did. Once I saw bluerap's calculations, I realized it should have actually said top 6 in my post instead of top 3.

Something else that is of note that should have been in my original post, a top 4 pick would have the Raptors above both the tax line and the 1st apron. So basically if we win one of the draft lotteries we will be projected above the 1st apron.

[DKB333]

I like the length!

That's what she said!
Sorry couldn't resist lol

He lacks girth. That is what she wants.

[Shakril]

More like posters around here are so predictable. Who in their right minds would expect him to take a pay cut?

Who in their right mind pays that much for a big question mark?

He is constantly injured, it forces us to trade one of the other guys and nobody knows how good he actually still can be.
I hope it works out, but i have no confindence in BI whatsoever.

Was Kawhi not just as big a question mark? We didn't even know if he would show. Kyle was super ticked off losing his friend. That could have all gone bad.

Kwahi had only one big injury prior to that, won a chip and was a finals MVP. Oh and a top 5 player of the league. Yeah thats a risk i gladly take. But we are talking about a one-time All-Star that has a history of injuries.

Kwahis avalance of injuries came with the clippers.

[TimeForChange]

Where are all the posters who thought he would sign a deal starting at $34m?

This organization is so predictable.

I mean, it does start at $37 if you factor in max raises which most were. Is that so far off?

People sadly are quick to insult people for thinking differently. Creates a toxic environment.

agreed. why do people stick their nose in others business and start defending people when they don't even know the whole story?



Tor_Raps decides to interject with his made up statistic of 95% when all I said was BI wouldn't settle for $34m in year 1 of his deal.

But let's continue, shall we?



Oh look at that. Again, a reasonable response stating that if he did take a pay cut it would be great.

But again, let's continue.



A reasonable prediction that was pretty much spot on, as 25% of the cap.

So now that $34m is pretty much the same as $38.1m, then I guess we're all right

[Ado05]

Pretty much as expected, though I don’t think Ingram is a 40 mill a year guy.

[CPT]

Better than I expected, but still more than I think he's worth.

Relieved that it doesn't seem to be among the worst contracts in the league, despite the PO.

[Tripod]

TSN betting analyst is on Overdrive and just said if Brown left at the end of the year, the Raps would have nothing to show for trading Siakam. Absolutely nothing!

How can a paid guy on TV who covers bball not know Walter and Ochai ate also part if the deal and if we didn't do the deal, we would still have KO+ the 1st.

Unbelievable

[canada_dry]

Is it that expensive? Seems pretty normal to me.

It’s expensive but that kinda goes away if they’re a top 6 seed team.

If they aren’t that, IQ or RJ are a goner.

A 6th seed right now is a .500 record. I would hope you'd get more for 160mil and all that experience. If we are attempting the trade a paperclip for a house, method here, then yeah RJ needs to go in the off season.

This year. With Orlando and philly decimated by injuries. I dont think .500 is gonna be the 6th seed next year. Maybe though. Who knows.

[Shakril]

I mean, it does start at $37 if you factor in max raises which most were. Is that so far off?

People sadly are quick to insult people for thinking differently. Creates a toxic environment.

agreed. why do people stick their nose in others business and start defending people when they don't even know the whole story?



Tor_Raps decides to interject with his made up statistic of 95% when all I said was BI wouldn't settle for $34m in year 1 of his deal.

But let's continue, shall we?



Oh look at that. Again, a reasonable response stating that if he did take a pay cut it would be great.

But again, let's continue.



A reasonable prediction that was pretty much spot on, as 25% of the cap.

So now that $34m is pretty much the same as $38.1m, then I guess we're all right

Your defense against beeing toxic is, beeing toxic?

Mocking him and others about their believe that 34/35/36 Mil was a reasonable price - thats toxic.

And your defense right now, just adds to the mockery.

In the end you were right, but i and others still think its not wise to give BI that contract. I just hope we are wrong and everything works out. But what if we end up beeing right? Shall we mock you and point that out? I dont think that would be a nice thing to do.

[Scase]

More like posters around here are so predictable. Who in their right minds would expect him to take a pay cut?

Who in their right mind pays that much for a big question mark?

He is constantly injured, it forces us to trade one of the other guys and nobody knows how good he actually still can be.
I hope it works out, but i have no confindence in BI whatsoever.

Was Kawhi not just as big a question mark? We didn't even know if he would show. Kyle was super ticked off losing his friend. That could have all gone bad.

Sure, if you ignore him winning a championship and a FMVP. BI has accomplished nothing in his career aside from a single ASG appearance 6 years ago. Taking a risk on a proven player who has injury concerns is vastly different from a player with no career accomplishments AND injury concerns.

It's also very different when you had a 50+ win team for years in a row unable to get past the hump, vs 2 back to back 20ish win teams.

[Shakril]

TSN betting analyst is on Overdrive and just said if Brown left at the end of the year, the Raps would have nothing to show for trading Siakam. Absolutely nothing!

How can a paid guy on TV who covers bball not know Walter and Ochai ate also part if the deal and if we didn't do the deal, we would still have KO+ the 1st.

Unbelievable

They are paid to talk, not to know. Barely any of those talking heads are doing there research themselves.

[TimeForChange]

People sadly are quick to insult people for thinking differently. Creates a toxic environment.

agreed. why do people stick their nose in others business and start defending people when they don't even know the whole story?



Tor_Raps decides to interject with his made up statistic of 95% when all I said was BI wouldn't settle for $34m in year 1 of his deal.

But let's continue, shall we?



Oh look at that. Again, a reasonable response stating that if he did take a pay cut it would be great.

But again, let's continue.



A reasonable prediction that was pretty much spot on, as 25% of the cap.

So now that $34m is pretty much the same as $38.1m, then I guess we're all right

Your defense against beeing toxic is, beeing toxic?

Mocking him and others about their believe that 34/35/36 Mil was a reasonable price - thats toxic.

And your defense right now, just adds to the mockery.

In the end you were right, but i and others still think its not wise to give BI that contract. I just hope we are wrong and everything works out. But what if we end up beeing right? Shall we mock you and point that out? I dont think that would be a nice thing to do.

who was I toxic to exactly? were there any names in my original post?

The TFC dude is the one who started going off on me without any context.

and yes, if I am wrong, I want to be called out. hell, you have called me and others out about Jak lot's of times.

this is a message board. people have been calling others out on message boards forever. don't take things so personal.

[Quattro]

TSN betting analyst is on Overdrive and just said if Brown left at the end of the year, the Raps would have nothing to show for trading Siakam. Absolutely nothing!

How can a paid guy on TV who covers bball not know Walter and Ochai ate also part if the deal and if we didn't do the deal, we would still have KO+ the 1st.

Unbelievable

They are paid to talk, not to know. Barely any of those talking heads are doing there research themselves.

Sometimes they get confused when they don't see a little rubber puck.

[sbsat]

Where are all the posters who thought he would sign a deal starting at $34m?

This organization is so predictable.

More like posters around here are so predictable. Who in their right minds would expect him to take a pay cut?

This place thinks every contract weve ever signed is an overpay

[DKB333]

People are not understanding that the Raptors just got a USA player that wanted to be traded here. That has never happened. He would have got this deal somewhere else. This is a huge win and BI is a baller. I do not understand the hate for this. It is not like he got a LaVine deal. He got a fair deal AND WANTS TO BE IN TORONTO.
















ha

[TimeForChange]

Where are all the posters who thought he would sign a deal starting at $34m?

This organization is so predictable.

More like posters around here are so predictable. Who in their right minds would expect him to take a pay cut?

This place thinks every contract weve ever signed is an overpay

this place also thinks every move the organization makes is a tremendous move