Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Tha Cynic]

The bad part is 9 + 39 for 20 + 29

Wiggins > RJ

Poeltl = Ware + Jovic

These are the types of returns we’d get on these guys. I’d be surprised if we could trade Wiggins for RJ straight up. Wiggins 3+D ability is probably in higher demand than RJ. Ware (15th pick) and Jovic (young guy with some upside) seems about right for a solid starting C. When we traded for Poeltl we were probably expecting to give up the 15th overall pick pick + flotsam (Birch).

Remove 39 from this trade and this deal isn’t that far off.

Wiggins is not better than RJ. They both suck, but at least RJ is younger.

Disagree. It’s probably close but If both were on the trade market Wiggins would get a better return. Wiggins has proven himself to be a quality 3+D option. He fits on more teams. RJ will score a bit more but both guys are below league average efficiency. I’ll take Wiggins defense and 3pt shooting over RJ, especially on our current team.

Yeah, I don’t think there’s any doubt Wiggins would be the more valuable player. I would do the swap for this team to balance out the roster.

[ForeverTFC]

This is honestly such a bad/stupid plan if we include the 9th overall pick...because the bottomline is we won't have a good C and when KD inevitably bolts (he's leaving either way) but when we don't get it done, he's gone and we just burnt our best draft pick for the foreseeable future for absolutely nothing.

This is like a simp that wants a woman out his league that he'll buy her the fanciest dinners, nicest hotels and the most luxurious gifts in the hopes she'll get engaged to him and she's made it clear he will never be more than a friend LMAO that's how pathetically desperate this is getting.

I honestly wish Masai would just stop but clearly this is all about getting another big contract and not a lasting solution.

... he hasn't done anything? We're at the point of **** on the guy due to speculation.

[M3tro]

It's either the 9th or Jak.

Can't be both.

[PhilBlackson]

The chance that our #9 pick ends up being better than RJ Barrett is approx 10%.

So it's hilarious that ppl would rather trade RJ than the 9th pick.

Since 2005 there are two players who were selected 9th overall that are better than RJ: derozan and Gordon haywood (still possible for rj to overtake haywood)

The other 18 players are not as good as RJ and most of them are not even close.

So it's kinda hilarious how much ppl love this 9th pick.

Rj was a 3rd pick. And he is in the 50th percentile of 3rd pick performance.

There were also multiple players selected after 9th that were much better than him.

ie/ SGA, Booker, Haliburton, Mitchell, JDub etc. but I know you want to act like the specific outcome of the 9th pick is somehow the gospel for how that pick will turn out without the context of who's the FO making the selections... but also out of the other side of your mouth would claim you'd trust the FO to "get it right" if we kept the pick lol you know you would...now that's hilarious

[Tha Cynic]

The chance that our #9 pick ends up being better than RJ Barrett is approx 10%.

So it's hilarious that ppl would rather trade RJ than the 9th pick.

Since 2005 there are two players who were selected 9th overall that are better than RJ: derozan and Gordon haywood (still possible for rj to overtake haywood)

The other 18 players are not as good as RJ and most of them are not even close.

So it's kinda hilarious how much ppl love this 9th pick.

Rj was a 3rd pick. And he is in the 50th percentile of 3rd pick performance.

For salaries, both Poeltl and RJ or IQ will need to be traded. It’s not between RJ and a draft pick.

[Brinbe]

In terms of a follow-up, what even seems realistic considering I doubt most contending or rising teams wouldn't want to part with their Cs.

So, assuming it is IQ/Yak/9 going out to Phoenix









of course there's probably picks and all that involved too but too lazy to go that deep into it.

[Son Goku 25]

itll be some random team like the bucks who end up getting him lol but this time they got no assets so who else is out there?

Maybe the grizzlies, knicks? I'd be shocked if we overpaid for KD. I do think we have other players on our radar.

[ill-Will03]

This is honestly such a bad/stupid plan if we include the 9th overall pick...because the bottomline is we won't have a good C and when KD inevitably bolts (he's leaving either way) but when we don't get it done, he's gone and we just burnt our best draft pick for the foreseeable future for absolutely nothing.

This is like a simp that wants a woman out his league that he'll buy her the fanciest dinners, nicest hotels and the most luxurious gifts in the hopes she'll get engaged to him and she's made it clear he will never be more than a friend LMAO that's how pathetically desperate this is getting.

I honestly wish Masai would just stop but clearly this is all about getting another big contract and not a lasting solution.

... he hasn't done anything? We're at the point of **** on the guy due to speculation.[/quote

Pretty strange behavior lol

[DreamTeam09]

Thinking because we went hostile once & traded for an hired assassin doesn't mean that's the norm for us.

[Consequence]

I hope KD gets traded elsewhere soon so that so many people on here will stop acting like my wife when she gets mad at me for something I did in a a dream of hers.

[Zeno]

It's either the 9th or Jak.

Can't be both.

Even if we could make the ‘ideal’ trade of RJ and Yak without giving up the 9th pick, I believe we might not have room under the 1st apron hardcap to even sign the pick to a contract.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[MiamiSPX]

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Love the guy who said Poeltl, RJ, Dick or Agbaji, AND the 9th pick.

[T_saurus]

This is all speculation, nothing confirmed so you should all calm down.

As someone once said, I trust Masai more than a condom. He'll make the right decision for the franchise.

[sidsid]

Unlikely considering their roster, but if we find out Masai could have swapped Grady and like a 2026 first instead of the 9th, but prefered Grady. I may become The Joker.

[Zeno]

Maybe I’m alone in this but I still really believe in Gradey.

[bballsparkin]

The thing is it's not just #9. It's JP as well. The team doesn't even have a proper back up C. How do you fix that in order to field a competitive team around KD?

Yes we would need to have a plan for a replacement center. Capela or Luke Kornet maybe? both are free agents. Maybe trade for JV back?

You almost need both Capela and Kornet. If we already had a back up C and could sign a guy like Kornet I would feel a lot more comfortable with trading Jakob. It seems like a monumental task getting both C's. I don't love the idea of Scottie playing extended minutes at C.

[mdenny]

The chance that our #9 pick ends up being better than RJ Barrett is approx 10%.

So it's hilarious that ppl would rather trade RJ than the 9th pick.

Since 2005 there are two players who were selected 9th overall that are better than RJ: derozan and Gordon haywood (still possible for rj to overtake haywood)

The other 18 players are not as good as RJ and most of them are not even close.

So it's kinda hilarious how much ppl love this 9th pick.

Rj was a 3rd pick. And he is in the 50th percentile of 3rd pick performance.

There were also multiple players selected after 9th that were much better than him.

ie/ SGA, Booker, Haliburton, Mitchell, JDub etc. but I know you want to act like the specific outcome of the 9th pick is somehow the gospel for how that pick will turn out without the context of who's the FO making the selections... but also out of the other side of your mouth would claim you'd trust the FO to "get it right" if we kept the pick lol you know you would...now that's hilarious

Well that observation would be relevant if we were talking about ownership of the 9th AND 11th AND 13th picks.

But limiting it to the 9th reflects the reality of only having one shot. But feel free to look at the historical expectation of the 10th or 11th or 15th or 16th slots too.

You'll find the same outcomes with slight variance.

RJ is an average outcome for the 3rd pick. For some reason....ppl would prefer the risk of replacing him with a worse to much worse player for the 10% chance that you can get one of the players you mentioned.

That's not how one should run a billion dollar franchise.

[WuTang_CMB]

If anyone ever questions the allure of toronto and their fans support of stars, just show them the thousands of threads for Kawhi, KD and Giannis where we were just mentioned as a possibility lol

These stars would absolutely destroy toronto in the best way and the fans would go crazy just as we did for kawhi

[CazOnReal]

Maybe I’m alone in this but I still really believe in Gradey.

Trading him before Year 3 would be very stupid. At least with IQ I can sort of understand fans souring on him even if I feel he's played so little in Toronto to really get a feel for if he can be a Maxey-like shoot-first PG. Dick? Dude's barely able to drink in the U.S.

This is part of why i'm not super enthused about trading for KD or Giannis: It's a year too early. After you've figured out who stays, who's a good fit etc. in 2025/26, sure make a consolidation trade assuming you actually make the postseason this time.