Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released)

HeadtopChunes · Post #2841 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:17 pm

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The Raptors have probably spoken to everyone by now so i doubt well learn too much from reports like these

Dalek · Post #2842 » by **Dalek** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:46 pm

Nico Mannion hype video against some short unathletic dudes. This is several steps up from a single guy versus a chair workout.

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He has pretty short winsgpan but it is pretty cool how he can dunk it with such ease. I have no idea of this guy's draft stock. He has some really good feel for running an offense and can make difficult passes, but he also has that AAU bad sot mentality. Maybe he is the next Tyler Herro, or the next bust. I think he will go just outside the lottery.

/edit Mannion has added more upper body muscle. Need to compare him to the Andrea Bargnani workout picture.

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HeadtopChunes · Post #2843 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:49 pm

Dalek wrote:Nico Mannion hype video against some short unathletic dudes. This is several steps up from a single guy versus a chair workout.

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He has pretty short winsgpan but it is pretty cool how he can dunk it with such ease. I have no idea of this guy's draft stock. He has some really good feel for running an offense and can make difficult passes, but he also has that AAU bad sot mentality. Maybe he is the next Tyler Herro, or the next bust. I think he will go just outside the lottery.

i think he will fall to the 2nd tbh,

HeadtopChunes · Post #2844 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:38 pm

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Dalek · Post #2845 » by **Dalek** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:51 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:

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I have Precious Achiuwa as one of my top picks for Toronto. He is such a rare athlete but he needs a team with patience to further develop him because he can already rebound and be a physical presence.

I had researched him a while back and he worked out with Rico Hines and had the opportunity to be with Siakam and OG for quite a bit of time last offseason.

He would slot in perfectly as a C for Toronto. He rebounds like Harrell, can finish at the rim and block shots and switch on defense. He is a perfect chaos creator. Really they just need to reign in his turnovers and help to fix his freethrows.

He is an older prospect so he could fall, but I doubt he falls all the way to 29, but guys slide sometimes. I think he comps similarly to Paul Reed, so some teams might opt for Reed over him.

Dalek · Post #2846 » by **Dalek** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:23 pm

I am pretty set on Nick Richards if he is there at 59, but it is more likely that Toronto does a draft and stash. My favorite would be Marko Simonović. He moves well for a big man and is more of roll guy, but is a nice back-up C.

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mademan · Post #2847 » by **mademan** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:30 pm

I dont know if he's gonna fall to us in the 2nd round, but i'd love Sam Merrill. A bigger Matt Thomas who has guard skills

Mark_83 · Post #2848 » by **Mark_83** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:21 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:

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The Raptors have probably spoken to everyone by now so i doubt well learn too much from reports like these

Terry would score big in interviews. Apparently he had the highest score ever on the NBA's IQ tests.

Raptors_128 · Post #2849 » by **Raptors_128** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:34 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:

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The Raptors have probably spoken to everyone by now so i doubt well learn too much from reports like these

I don’t think he gets past Philly tbh. Is he worth using Norm to trade up?

Syd-TK3 · Post #2850 » by **Syd-TK3** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:39 pm

Raptors_128 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:

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The Raptors have probably spoken to everyone by now so i doubt well learn too much from reports like these

I don’t think he gets past Philly tbh. Is he worth using Norm to trade up?

If he really has been growing and gotten stronger then yea.
Norm getting traded seems almost inevitable at this point so unless they plan on using him for a better player package getting a higher pick in the draft makes the most sense

Psubs · Post #2851 » by **Psubs** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:05 am

Dalek wrote:Nico Mannion hype video against some short unathletic dudes. This is several steps up from a single guy versus a chair workout.

He has pretty short winsgpan but it is pretty cool how he can dunk it with such ease. I have no idea of this guy's draft stock. He has some really good feel for running an offense and can make difficult passes, but he also has that AAU bad sot mentality. Maybe he is the next Tyler Herro, or the next bust. I think he will go just outside the lottery.

/edit Mannion has added more upper body muscle. Need to compare him to the Andrea Bargnani workout picture.

Is he going to be better than Alex Caruso? Not so sure. If Jalen Brunson couldn't get a 1st round contract this kid doesn't deserve one.

I think a good spot would be Philly at #34 or #36

Indeed · Post #2852 » by **Indeed** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:17 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:
Raptors_128 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:

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The Raptors have probably spoken to everyone by now so i doubt well learn too much from reports like these

I don’t think he gets past Philly tbh. Is he worth using Norm to trade up?

If he really has been growing and gotten stronger then yea.
Norm getting traded seems almost inevitable at this point so unless they plan on using him for a better player package getting a higher pick in the draft makes the most sense

His contract is hardly someone who wants to trade for, unless it is clear that he will not extend with his player option.

casual_raps_fan · Post #2853 » by **casual_raps_fan** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:49 am

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
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Yes, he doesn't/hasn't scored enough where I'd buy that he could develop into a star at the pro level.

I have a couple of beliefs about the late first/2nd round. 1) It's rare to get even competent rotational players in this range. It's exceptionally rare to get stars. Typically, the players that do end up stars drafted in this range could score at above average volume at their previous level. The exceptions are players from pro levels (like Europe). 2) The guys that stick tend to be more mature/older players because the upside players in this range typically can't get on the court and then get lost in the numbers game. There's a draft every year, and the hype from being a rookie quickly disappears by the following draft. Teams just don't have the minutes or patience.

The Raptors job here is to make sure they get an NBA player out of this pick, not to suss out a diamond in the rough that could be a star by measuring arm length or shot creation or anything like that. Most of these guys won't have the ability to contribute at all. So the first question is 1) Can he get on the floor in year 1? and then 2) What weaknesses are easiest to remedy?

I don't think this is true for the Raptors at all. Since Masai has come, the only non rotation player we've drafted in the 1st round is Bruno. Aside from him, we've selected Delon Wright, Poeltl, Siakam, OG. Even if we take Poeltl out of the equation since he was a lottery pick, we are still 3 of 4. When you take into account that our development program has improved and we've built a culture emphasizing player development, I think it's very likely that we at least get a rotation player.

Any other team not named the Spurs or Heat, I can agree with that point though.

So you do agree with me. The Raptors have done their job by targeting players that can get on the floor or have easy to remedy weaknesses in that range. The odds are still stacked against them.

After Delon, only 10 rotation players selected in the next 40 picks. After Norm, 0. Only one close to being a significant player is Harrell.

After Pascal, only 5 players can be considered rotation pieces in 33 picks. One of those is Patrick McCaw.

After OG, only 8 rotation players in the next 37 picks.

And then add in TD and Fred. The Raptors have been really good at finding these players, but there's only a small handful of starters that have been selected after their picks over the past 5 drafts.

It's more just a way of putting it all in perspective. Even the teams that draft these players in this range that end up becoming something aren't expecting that result. And the results tend to be unlikely. Siakam, Jokic and Brogdan being the biggest stars from that range over the last 6 drafts. Not one of them was selected as an "upside pick."

Ok I see what you're saying.

We both agree that the odds are stacked against the success of players being drafted late in the 1st or second round. You are saying it is critical to focus on drafting players who can immediately fulfill a role to get on the floor and has a weakness that can be fixed relatively easily. By doing so, we limit the chance of a bust as well as getting a player we can play and develop.

In the case of the Raptors, they've focused on guys who have defensive versatility (can get on the floor) and weakness of shooting the ball (easy remedy).

Bull-E · Post #2854 » by **Bull-E** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:30 am

Dalek wrote:I am pretty set on Nick Richards if he is there at 59, but it is more likely that Toronto does a draft and stash. My favorite would be Marko Simonović. He moves well for a big man and is more of roll guy, but is a nice back-up C.

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Oh, how the Raptors have revolutionized player development when we're concerned about the second last pick of the draft.

The Raptor's track record of giving legit opportunities to undrafteds will put them in pole position for the top tier of UDFAs. Would make more sense to secure a draft-and-stash at 59.

WeTheNorth123 · Post #2855 » by **WeTheNorth123** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:37 am

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Mark_83 · Post #2856 » by **Mark_83** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:00 am

When do we get official measurements?

Psubs · Post #2857 » by **Psubs** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:13 am

WeTheNorth123 wrote:

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Is he an athletic Steve Nash?

Would any team be foolish enough to trade a pick in the teens for Powell and #29?

BallstriKer · Post #2858 » by **BallstriKer** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:16 am

The appeal with moving up for Tyrell Terry is that he's one of a handful prospects in this draft that has star potential. An awful lot of things would need to go right for that to happen, but the kid seems to be super smart, really talented and a hard worker. They should try moving up, unless they think he's gonna get drafted top 10, which would not be entirely surprising.

Psubs · Post #2859 » by **Psubs** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:24 am

BallstriKer wrote:The appeal with moving up for Tyrell Terry is that he's one of a handful prospects in this draft that has star potential. An awful lot of things would need to go right for that to happen, but the kid seems to be super smart, really talented and a hard worker. They should try moving up, unless they think he's gonna get drafted top 10, which would not be entirely surprising.

If he did in fact grow to an inch less then Tyrese Haliburton, I could see him being around the top 10. Since he's added strength, what is keeping him from being the top PG prospect in the draft?

mademan · Post #2860 » by **mademan** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:41 am

Psubs wrote:
Dalek wrote:Nico Mannion hype video against some short unathletic dudes. This is several steps up from a single guy versus a chair workout.

He has pretty short winsgpan but it is pretty cool how he can dunk it with such ease. I have no idea of this guy's draft stock. He has some really good feel for running an offense and can make difficult passes, but he also has that AAU bad sot mentality. Maybe he is the next Tyler Herro, or the next bust. I think he will go just outside the lottery.

/edit Mannion has added more upper body muscle. Need to compare him to the Andrea Bargnani workout picture.

Is he going to be better than Alex Caruso? Not so sure. If Jalen Brunson couldn't get a 1st round contract this kid doesn't deserve one.

I think a good spot would be Philly at #34 or #36

He's not falling out of the 1st round. Cant imagine LA would pass on him. Seems like the perfect talent beside Lebron/AD