Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released)

[BallstriKer]

The appeal with moving up for Tyrell Terry is that he's one of a handful prospects in this draft that has star potential. An awful lot of things would need to go right for that to happen, but the kid seems to be super smart, really talented and a hard worker. They should try moving up, unless they think he's gonna get drafted top 10, which would not be entirely surprising.

If he did in fact grow to an inch less then Tyrese Haliburton, I could see him being around the top 10. Since he's added strength, what is keeping him from being the top PG prospect in the draft?

I think guys like Lamelo and Hayes are pretty well established by now as the top PGs in this draft class. I see Terry more as the underrated pick with star potential, kinda like how Curry was picked 9th overall. However, the perception on him could change with those reports coming about his added weight and height. It would only take a team seeing him as a potential Trae or Dame or Steph for him to be picked in the top 10.

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I am pretty set on Nick Richards if he is there at 59, but it is more likely that Toronto does a draft and stash. My favorite would be Marko Simonović. He moves well for a big man and is more of roll guy, but is a nice back-up C.

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Oh, how the Raptors have revolutionized player development when we're concerned about the second last pick of the draft.

The Raptor's track record of giving legit opportunities to undrafteds will put them in pole position for the top tier of UDFAs. Would make more sense to secure a draft-and-stash at 59.

Again and again, the 2nd round pick salary is cheaper than a league minimum salary. If we are to re-sign our FAs, those 800k would be useful. It makes much much more sense to draft at 59 and NOT stash it.

[Bull-E]

I am pretty set on Nick Richards if he is there at 59, but it is more likely that Toronto does a draft and stash. My favorite would be Marko Simonović. He moves well for a big man and is more of roll guy, but is a nice back-up C.

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Oh, how the Raptors have revolutionized player development when we're concerned about the second last pick of the draft.

The Raptor's track record of giving legit opportunities to undrafteds will put them in pole position for the top tier of UDFAs. Would make more sense to secure a draft-and-stash at 59.

Again and again, the 2nd round pick salary is cheaper than a league minimum salary. If we are to re-sign our FAs, those 800k would be useful. It makes much much more sense to draft at 59 and NOT stash it.

An undrafted free agent can be signed just as cheap as the second last pick of the draft (see Terence Davis and Dewan Hernandez). The reason you stash the pick is 1) not to eat into the 2021 cap sheet and more importantly 2) have matured assets to help fill the roster after cap space is swallowed up by 2021 free agents.

[Dalek]

Oh, how the Raptors have revolutionized player development when we're concerned about the second last pick of the draft.

The Raptor's track record of giving legit opportunities to undrafteds will put them in pole position for the top tier of UDFAs. Would make more sense to secure a draft-and-stash at 59.

Again and again, the 2nd round pick salary is cheaper than a league minimum salary. If we are to re-sign our FAs, those 800k would be useful. It makes much much more sense to draft at 59 and NOT stash it.

An undrafted free agent can be signed just as cheap as the second last pick of the draft (see Terence Davis and Dewan Hernandez). The reason you stash the pick is 1) not to eat into the 2021 cap sheet and more importantly 2) have matured assets to help fill the roster after cap space is swallowed up by 2021 free agents.

I see where you are coming from, and that is why I mentioned the European player originally. He'd be a good draft and stash guy.

You are right Toronto does have a good track record and VanVleet is the poster boy for the team, but getting undrafted players is still a crapshoot. If I am undrafted I'd want to go to a team where I could get minutes not sit in the G-League. I think prospects think about that going in. Who am I playing behind? How likely will I get to play meaningful minutes?

At least with the second round pick Toronto is more in the driver's seat. Even with 59, I think they can go either way (stashing or drafting a player for now) but I think they may lean towards a big they can develop. There are just so many bigs and low priority for them, that someone good could slip.

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Again and again, the 2nd round pick salary is cheaper than a league minimum salary. If we are to re-sign our FAs, those 800k would be useful. It makes much much more sense to draft at 59 and NOT stash it.

An undrafted free agent can be signed just as cheap as the second last pick of the draft (see Terence Davis and Dewan Hernandez). The reason you stash the pick is 1) not to eat into the 2021 cap sheet and more importantly 2) have matured assets to help fill the roster after cap space is swallowed up by 2021 free agents.

I see where you are coming from, and that is why I mentioned the European player originally. He'd be a good draft and stash guy.

You are right Toronto does have a good track record and VanVleet is the poster boy for the team, but getting undrafted players is still a crapshoot. If I am undrafted I'd want to go to a team where I could get minutes not sit in the G-League. I think prospects think about that going in. Who am I playing behind? How likely will I get to play meaningful minutes?

At least with the second round pick Toronto is more in the driver's seat. Even with 59, I think they can go either way (stashing or drafting a player for now) but I think they may lean towards a big they can develop. There are just so many bigs and low priority for them, that someone good could slip.

And Davis played for Denver prior in signing with it. It means that players are the ones to decide if they want to show case themselves with us. We may not have control over the talent in the undraft pool. Also, our internal development is much better, and in the case of Jonas, we failed to development him in the first year, where he is more focus with postup when stashing. He maybe better improving his defense and passing.

If they are picking a wing earlier, I can also see them picking a forward/big later in the draft. There are also a lot of 2nd round prospect that I like, rather than just stashing someone. Just to name a few, Karim Mane, Paul Eboua, Lamine Diane, Naji Marshall,
Abdoulaye N'Doye, Josh Hall, Mamadi Diakite

[notagenius]

I'd be good with Jay Scrubb and Karim Mane.

Definitely a gamble considering the competition they played but I like their size, athleticism and potential shot creation skills.

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I'd be good with Jay Scrubb and Karim Mane.

Definitely a gamble considering the competition they played but I like their size, athleticism and potential shot creation skills.

Mane at #29 and Scrubb at #59. Then Powell should be flipped for whatever they can get as not to have to pay him more than Gary Harris money.

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[DG88]

Essentially right now the Raptors have interviewed or will interview most of the players we've covered.

[Dalek]

I'd be good with Jay Scrubb and Karim Mane.

Definitely a gamble considering the competition they played but I like their size, athleticism and potential shot creation skills.

Mane at #29 and Scrubb at #59. Then Powell should be flipped for whatever they can get as not to have to pay him more than Gary Harris money.

The more film I watch of Scrubb the more I think he is close to an FRP. Just a smooth athlete with good size and very explosive. I dug a bit into his background and his issue was academics - he had a learning disability. He failed grade school at one point and could not qualify for a Division 1 school. He eventually qualified and went the JUCO route which is a bit rare for NBA guys, but there are guys like Jimmy Butler and Chris Boucher that went that route first.

He did shoot the ball well from 3 in his first year (46%) and it dipped last year (33%). To me he is an equivalent at least to Cassius Stanley, may be with a better handle and can create his shot a bit better.

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I'll be ****ed if we pass on Dotson. He plays just like Lowry in college.

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[BallstriKer]

With reports of Gasol heading back to Spain, I think we definitely need to pick up a big now. Ibaka's future with the team is also uncertain and I wouldn't want to rely on Boucher to play heavy minutes as a back up. Also, picking up guys like Harry Giles or Nerlens Noel might be cool and all but they would be projects and it would be a gamble at the end of the day.

I think going the Tillman route juste makes too much sense. He fills an immediate need, and provides a lot of what Gasol used to do for us - defense and passing. We can develop him to be a part of the core going forward.

Having said that, we should also find a way to get extra pick(s) and draft one of the guards that are being discussed here. May be through a Norm trade or a FVV/Ibaka S&T? My preference would be one of Maledon/Terry/Winston/Mane.

[Mark_83]

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With reports of Gasol heading back to Spain, I think we definitely need to pick up a big now. Ibaka's future with the team is also uncertain and I wouldn't want to rely on Boucher to play heavy minutes as a back up. Also, picking up guys like Harry Giles or Nerlens Noel might be cool and all but they would be projects and it would be a gamble at the end of the day.

I think going the Tillman route juste makes too much sense. He fills an immediate need, and provides a lot of what Gasol used to do for us - defense and passing. We can develop him to be a part of the core going forward.

Having said that, we should also find a way to get extra pick(s) and draft one of the guards that are being discussed here. May be through a Norm trade or a FVV/Ibaka S&T? My preference would be one of Maledon/Terry/Winston/Mane.

Is there a reason Tillman is less a project than Giles or Nerlens? I thought anyone we draft is also a project, and to replace any of our starter, it would be through FA.

I mean, I just don't see how Tillman can provide anywhere near the defense of Gasol, and probably not even close to Nerlens.

[BallstriKer]

With reports of Gasol heading back to Spain, I think we definitely need to pick up a big now. Ibaka's future with the team is also uncertain and I wouldn't want to rely on Boucher to play heavy minutes as a back up. Also, picking up guys like Harry Giles or Nerlens Noel might be cool and all but they would be projects and it would be a gamble at the end of the day.

I think going the Tillman route juste makes too much sense. He fills an immediate need, and provides a lot of what Gasol used to do for us - defense and passing. We can develop him to be a part of the core going forward.

Having said that, we should also find a way to get extra pick(s) and draft one of the guards that are being discussed here. May be through a Norm trade or a FVV/Ibaka S&T? My preference would be one of Maledon/Terry/Winston/Mane.

Is there a reason Tillman is less a project than Giles or Nerlens? I thought anyone we draft is also a project, and to replace any of our starter, it would be through FA.

I mean, I just don't see how Tillman can provide anywhere near the defense of Gasol, and probably not even close to Nerlens.

You're right, he'd be a project too. But if we're starting with a clean slate at the center position, I'd rather have a guy like Tillman. Noel and Gilles may have some untapped potential, but they've been in the league a few years now and they're known quantities. I could be wrong but I feel Tillman could have a greater defensive impact than Noel right away. Not to mention his passing and his BBIQ. From a roster construction perspective, I'd feel much better developing a prospect with those attributes.

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With reports of Gasol heading back to Spain, I think we definitely need to pick up a big now. Ibaka's future with the team is also uncertain and I wouldn't want to rely on Boucher to play heavy minutes as a back up. Also, picking up guys like Harry Giles or Nerlens Noel might be cool and all but they would be projects and it would be a gamble at the end of the day.

I think going the Tillman route juste makes too much sense. He fills an immediate need, and provides a lot of what Gasol used to do for us - defense and passing. We can develop him to be a part of the core going forward.

Having said that, we should also find a way to get extra pick(s) and draft one of the guards that are being discussed here. May be through a Norm trade or a FVV/Ibaka S&T? My preference would be one of Maledon/Terry/Winston/Mane.

Is there a reason Tillman is less a project than Giles or Nerlens? I thought anyone we draft is also a project, and to replace any of our starter, it would be through FA.

I mean, I just don't see how Tillman can provide anywhere near the defense of Gasol, and probably not even close to Nerlens.

You're right, he'd be a project too. But if we're starting with a clean slate at the center position, I'd rather have a guy like Tillman. Noel and Gilles may have some untapped potential, but they've been in the league a few years now and they're known quantities. I could be wrong but I feel Tillman could have a greater defensive impact than Noel right away. Not to mention his passing and his BBIQ. From a roster construction perspective, I'd feel much better developing a prospect with those attributes.

Tillman potentially like Al Horford. Giles seems like potentially someone like Chris Webber.

[provecy15]

Masai is a ninja. He will pick someone that none of us have heard of (Bruno) or a player who may slip in the draft (OG)

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Masai is a ninja. He will pick someone that none of us have heard of (Bruno) or a player who may slip in the draft (OG)

Bruno is the only on I haven't heard of. Maybe for #59, though with the lockdown (had a lot of time to investigate), I think someone's mentioned the player we would draft there too.

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Is there a reason Tillman is less a project than Giles or Nerlens? I thought anyone we draft is also a project, and to replace any of our starter, it would be through FA.

I mean, I just don't see how Tillman can provide anywhere near the defense of Gasol, and probably not even close to Nerlens.

You're right, he'd be a project too. But if we're starting with a clean slate at the center position, I'd rather have a guy like Tillman. Noel and Gilles may have some untapped potential, but they've been in the league a few years now and they're known quantities. I could be wrong but I feel Tillman could have a greater defensive impact than Noel right away. Not to mention his passing and his BBIQ. From a roster construction perspective, I'd feel much better developing a prospect with those attributes.

Tillman potentially like Al Horford. Giles seems like potentially someone like Chris Webber.

Every year they have these comparison. I think he is already very good ending up like Patrick Patterson.