2010-11 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread

[NH]

The Bucks are apparently very high on Larry Saunders and are committed to developing him. Doubt he is available like that. Rather try to grab DeAndre Jordan instead.

[Gold Dragon]

Tor gets: Bynum and Walton
LAL gets: Peja + Evans + Dorsey

Any chance of this happening?

The Lakers seem to be doing just fine without Bynum who may never fully recover. I think taking on Walton's contract, the luxury tax savings of the expirings and the potential playoff productivity of Peja and Evans might make this a possibility.

The Lakers are currently 25 mil over the luxury cap which might be crippling under the new CBA.

[Kabookalu]

Tor gets: Bynum and Walton
LAL gets: Peja + Evans + Dorsey

Any chance of this happening?

The Lakers seem to be doing just fine without Bynum who may never fully recover. I think taking on Walton's contract, the luxury tax savings of the expirings and the potential playoff productivity of Peja and Evans might make this a possibility.

The Lakers are currently 25 mil over the luxury cap which might be crippling under the new CBA.

Being from LA I'm surrounded by Lakers fans, and there's a lot of fans that are willing to get rid of him for nothing since they think they're better off without him. Now I know better than to take in the opinions of mainstream Lakers fans, but their reasons is because his work ethic is poor and his attitude close to unbearable. Now unlike BC I'm not honed into the concept of great character guys over talent, but I thought I'd mention it since most here probably aren't aware of it.

[Gold Dragon]

Being from LA I'm surrounded by Lakers fans, and there's a lot of fans that are willing to get rid of him for nothing since they think they're better off without him. Now I know better than to take in the opinions of mainstream Lakers fans, but their reasons is because his work ethic is poor and his attitude close to unbearable. Now unlike BC I'm not honed into the concept of great character guys over talent, but I thought I'd mention it since most here probably aren't aware of it.

I'm less worried about his work ethic (the light switch can still turn on for a 23 year old) and more worried about his body holding up to an NBA career. What are the thoughts out of LA about his knees holding up?

[Kabookalu]

There isn't any reason to believe he'll end up like another Oden, yet, but part of the reason why I mention his work ethic and attitude is because it sort of ties in with his injury problems. He seems to brush them off nonchalantly. For example he was caught up one time at Playboy Mansion doing hoola hoops with the girls rather than rehabbing his knee like he should have been, and most recently he opted to delay surgery because he wanted to catch the world soccer tournament that happened the past summer. All big men suffer injuries, that's normal, but the biggest concern is how Bynum goes by treating his injuries like they're leisure time. He could miss 10 more games a season simply on account that he wanted to miss some games and go have fun somewhere.

[Gold Dragon]

and most recently he opted to delay surgery because he wanted to catch the world soccer tournament that happened the past summer.

Bargs and Barbosa might be able to sympathize with this.

I hear your concerns and thanks for the local perspective.

[Morris_Shatford]

Since we seem to be bailing teams out of tax payments and adding aging expiring Europeans along with sub 23 year olds;

To Toronto:
Andrei Kirilenko

To Utah
Peja Stojakovic

To Toronto:
Gordon Hayward

To Utah:
$2,356,320 TPE

It would save Utah over 10m dollars in salary and tax, and Toronto's TPE would have around 10M left in it.

[SDM]

They won't give up Hayward.

[bboyskinnylegs]

They won't give up Hayward.

yeah, it's too early for them to give up their recent #8 pick...but maybe we could get the Grizzlies pick that they're owed this year from the Brewer trade?

[pspot]

great trade, though AK would definitely make the Raps more competitive now. Still he'd be a great starting SF for the Raps now and moving forward.

Haywood or pick would be gravy........three 1sts!

[miruss2001]

Tor gets: Bynum and Walton
LAL gets: Peja + Evans + Dorsey

Any chance of this happening?

The Lakers seem to be doing just fine without Bynum who may never fully recover. I think taking on Walton's contract, the luxury tax savings of the expirings and the potential playoff productivity of Peja and Evans might make this a possibility.

The Lakers are currently 25 mil over the luxury cap which might be crippling under the new CBA.

Being from LA I'm surrounded by Lakers fans, and there's a lot of fans that are willing to get rid of him for nothing since they think they're better off without him. Now I know better than to take in the opinions of mainstream Lakers fans, but their reasons is because his work ethic is poor and his attitude close to unbearable. Now unlike BC I'm not honed into the concept of great character guys over talent, but I thought I'd mention it since most here probably aren't aware of it.

I proposed a version of this that maybe is even more palatable to LA:
Peja, Barbossa and Evans for Bynum, Vujacic and Walton.

LA gets specialists and 2 huge expirings while dumping Walton's 2 years remaining. Vuj is a small expiring for us. Might be worth the risk given the deficit of credible C's out there.

[Morris_Shatford]

They won't give up Hayward.

yeah, it's too early for them to give up their recent #8 pick...but maybe we could get the Grizzlies pick that they're owed this year from the Brewer trade?

Comparing Hayward to Eric Maynor is hardly fair as one was drafted 8th and the other drafted 20th, but Maynor was contributing just about as much as Hayward is and was moved just to unload Harprings contract.

It really depends on if the Jazz feel they need to get under the tax, and how badly.
However as mentioned above if the Memphis Pick rather then Hayward is what makes the deal a little more tolerable for the Jazz, I think that is also pretty reasonable.

However it would only save the Jazz around 6m rather then the 10m.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ Regarding this trade, I wonder if the lux tax savings are enough for the Jazz to mess with their chemistry? Peja is putting up a slightly better PER and would probably be a better scoring option, but is only logging 15 mpg vs Andrei, who is logging 34 mpg and contributes more in other ways on the court (defense, rebounding, assists, steals, blocks).

One of the goals of this Jazz team is to be competitive so they can convince Deron to stay longterm (much like the Hornets are trying to do with Paul now), are the lux tax savings enough for them to swap these two?

[pspot]

^^ Regarding this trade, I wonder if the lux tax savings are enough for the Jazz to mess with their chemistry? Peja is putting up a slightly better PER and would probably be a better scoring option, but is only logging 15 mpg vs Andrei, who is logging 34 mpg and contributes more in other ways on the court (defense, rebounding, assists, steals, blocks).

One of the goals of this Jazz team is to be competitive so they can convince Deron to stay longterm (much like the Hornets are trying to do with Paul now), are the lux tax savings enough for them to swap these two?

Peja would be a pretty sick weapon for Deron driving. In reality they'd probably be giving up as much or more on the d that they would gain on offense....Deron would probably be happy with the increase in assists and scoring

[SDM]

If anything, I think the Jazz would have interest in Evans/Barbosa. They need offense off the bench and they're a poor rebounding team. Problem solved.

Would anyone throw in Miami's pick to get out from under Barbosa's deal a year early?

[bboyskinnylegs]

If anything, I think the Jazz would have interest in Evans/Barbosa. They need offense off the bench and they're a poor rebounding team. Problem solved.

Would anyone throw in Miami's pick to get out from under Barbosa's deal a year early?

I wouldn't give up the Miami pick unless we're getting a prospect in the deal (ideally I'd like to work something out for a young C like Thabeet, or maybe DeAndre Jordan or Jason Thompson).

Evans+Barbosa isn't enough salary to trade for Kirilenko. Adding Wright works though (Evans+Wright+Barbosa is the same as Peja salary-wise)

Bargs/Alabi
Amir/Davis/Dorsey
Kirilenko/Kleiza/Peja
DeMar/Weems
Jose/Bayless

The young kids are going to get lots of minutes, we have three picks (ours, and Miami's/Memphis' assuming they both make the playoffs), and open up an additional 7.6 million in capspace going into the summer. Unless Ed and/or Bayless turn out to be really good, this year will probably be a throwaway.

[crosswalkryan]

Barbosa is making 7.1m this year...in basketball terms its not excessive...and considering he has just next year as a player option its not a terrible weighing down contract.

Kirlenko is not very effective anymore - has problems scoring and his defense isn't what it used to be. I wouldn't trade evans + barbosa for him. If we're going to make a trade we should be adding talent not subtracting.

Anyone else think that we should not handicap ourselves going into a new CBA?
Look at it this way:
- MLSE will spend up to whatever the new salary cap/luxury tax is
- we have $45m comitted next year without Sonny & Reggie signed
- new CBA might actually be drastically different with a lower cap
- in this situation cap space is key, we should not waste it on maybes and crap talent

Core of the team is all 21-25, we should be adding draft picks and young talent

[bboyskinnylegs]

Barbosa's contract itself isn't that big, but having him off the books now vs next year could be important. Right now I think we have roughly 8 million in capspace going into this summer. Freeing up the 7.6 million Barbosa would make next year means we could now really put out a solid contract offer for a big man like Gasol/Perkins. Or maybe a wing like Jeff Green/Thaddeus Young. Bringing in Kirlenko serves little purpose other than having his expiring contract instead of Barbosa's extra year.

[Joe Buddy]

Peja + Miami 1st for Kaman.

[crosswalkryan]

Barbosa's contract itself isn't that big, but having him off the books now vs next year could be important. Right now I think we have roughly 8 million in capspace going into this summer. Freeing up the 7.6 million Barbosa would make next year means we could now really put out a solid contract offer for a big man like Gasol/Perkins. Or maybe a wing like Jeff Green/Thaddeus Young. Bringing in Kirlenko serves little purpose other than having his expiring contract instead of Barbosa's extra year.

Fair enough, its pretty clear that we need a low post player who can defend, rebound AND score. Reggie can do 2 of those and Amir can do 3 of them badly-to-average. I could see Bargs and Gasol/Perkins playing well together. Not so sure about Jeff Green...i feel he is more of a jump shooting PF with spotty defense, which we don't really need. Admittedly, I haven't seen enough Sixers games to comment on Young.
But there are a ton of athletic wing players in the NBA, not so many big C's who play good D, block shots and aren't a liability on the O.
Free Gasol from Memphis