Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread Part 9

[TheDunc]

Chris Singleton and Tristan Thompson will be very solid nba players. They both tested out great athletically. There might not be much room for our canadian boy here but we should really take a look a Chris Singleton. Hes a great defender, i think he could be a great role player for us.

[phailing101]

Canadian heritage aside, I actually think Thompson is one of the best prospects after Irving, Williams, Kanter, and Knight. Yes, he is essentially a poor man's Ed Davis, but if Amir can be moved I would take Thompson and proceed with Davis/Thompson at the 4.

I have absolutely no faith in Valanciunas being able to develop into an NBA center. His entire game is premised on his energy/hustle around the rim. Putting on the requisite weight necessary for him to play the 5 is simply going to transform him into an absolute **** sloth (see Bargs post weight gain). And if he is not willing to come over immediately, there is no chance Colangelo will take him.

Vesely is a freak show, not an NBA player.

Kemba Walker is **** (a recipe for a horrendous team on both ends of the floor)

Leonard is incredibly overrated and is actually a poor man's James Johnson.

Biyombo belongs in the D-League.

Definitely where I can see him ending up lol.

[TheDunc]

You guys make absolutley no sense. Saying biyombi belongs D- league. He was playing for a pretty good proffesional team overseas. Putting up impressive numbers in limited minutes. Biyombo has one thing that will translate to the NBA and thats his athletism. He can be a defensive force and he aint not stiff on offense neither.

[ty123]

Valanciunas would make frequent poster material. Our defense is a joke already, why do this?

I'll take Biyombo before I even consider Valanciunas.

[tdotrep2]

Valanciunas would make frequent poster material. Our defense is a joke already, why do this?

I'll take Biyombo before I even consider Valanciunas.

Ever since cle said they liked him better the board started to like him better.

[fredericklove]

You guys make absolutley no sense. Saying biyombi belongs D- league. He was playing for a pretty good proffesional team overseas. Putting up impressive numbers in limited minutes. Biyombo has one thing that will translate to the NBA and thats his athletism. He can be a defensive force and he aint not stiff on offense neither.

Who says Bismack is a D-League material?

Btw change ur sig man, TJ is long gone! And I can't stop staring at Rachel Bilson especially how she kept swinging those tight sexy hip and oily thighs, mmmMMMmmm yummy

[Woodface]

Canadian heritage aside, I actually think Thompson is one of the best prospects after Irving, Williams, Kanter, and Knight. Yes, he is essentially a poor man's Ed Davis, but if Amir can be moved I would take Thompson and proceed with Davis/Thompson at the 4.

I have absolutely no faith in Valanciunas being able to develop into an NBA center. His entire game is premised on his energy/hustle around the rim. Putting on the requisite weight necessary for him to play the 5 is simply going to transform him into an absolute **** sloth (see Bargs post weight gain). And if he is not willing to come over immediately, there is no chance Colangelo will take him.

Vesely is a freak show, not an NBA player.

Kemba Walker is **** (a recipe for a horrendous team on both ends of the floor)

Leonard is incredibly overrated and is actually a poor man's James Johnson.

Biyombo belongs in the D-League.

I would agree that both Leonard and Vesely are over-hyped, but I'm not sure about the rest. I think Walker will be a solid player in the NBA. And I find it curious that you are high on Thompson, but think Biyombo belongs in the D-League. They are both undersized big men with long arms (although Biyombo has a longer wingspan), good athletes who will make their impact by playing tenacious defense, rebounding, and shot-blocking. Neither of them have much of an offensive game (Thompson shot 46% from the free throw line .... 46%) and he is essentially the same size as James Johnson. Ithink both of them have potential,but neither is a lock, and should not be in the conversation where the Raptors pick at #5.

After the top 2 are off the board, the next 3 in my opinion are Kanter / Knight / Walker, and Toronto's pick should be from that short list.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Valanciunas would make frequent poster material. Our defense is a joke already, why do this?

I'll take Biyombo before I even consider Valanciunas.

You know, I though GSW were idiots to take Udoh over Monroe last year at #6, and I'd feel the same-ish about this pick as BB vs. Val/Kanter. Udoh was the defense-only player, Monroe the opposite. GSW taking Udoh over Monroe was a huge mistake, they'd have to give up Curry to get him now because you can't get Greg Monroes.

I think the draft is the only way to get young, skilled bigs. You can find 6'9 hustle bigs later in the draft or outside of it... their careers hinge on actual intangibles, you know, things you can't see, measured by NBA team success. You can't project it, and you can't count on it. There is no league like the NBA.

I don't hate BB as a prospect, I love D, but I think he's an 11-15 pick in a typical draft or 8-12 this year. Past the likely starters and into the unknown... much like Larry Sanders last year, who I'd have wanted if Ed were not there. Val's size/skill ratio puts him into the top-half of the lotto in a typical year, top-5 this year, and I think the same of Kanter though he's just big enough IMO.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Valanciunas would make frequent poster material. Our defense is a joke already, why do this?

I'll take Biyombo before I even consider Valanciunas.

You know, I though GSW were idiots to take Udoh over Monroe last year at #6, and I'd feel the same-ish about this pick as BB vs. Val/Kanter. Udoh was the defense-only player, Monroe the opposite. GSW taking Udoh over Monroe was a huge mistake, they'd have to give up Curry to get him now because you can't get Greg Monroes.

I think the draft is the only way to get young, skilled bigs. You can find 6'9 hustle bigs later in the draft or outside of it... their careers hinge on actual intangibles, you know, things you can't see, measured by NBA team success. You can't project it, and you can't count on it. There is no league like the NBA.

I don't hate BB as a prospect, I love D, but I think he's an 11-15 pick in a typical draft or 8-12 this year. Past the likely starters and into the unknown... much like Larry Sanders last year, who I'd have wanted if Ed were not there. Val's size/skill ratio puts him into the top-half of the lotto in a typical year, top-5 this year, and I think the same of Kanter though he's just big enough IMO.

Oh man IT'S ONE year and you already have **** the bed of Ekpe Udoh.. He had major surgery in july 2010 that forced him to miss months. Biyombo is by far the longer player. ACB>ncaa

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ There's a huge difference between Udoh and Biyombo though. Udoh was always more PF-sized--despite his long wingspan (7'4.5") his standing reach is just at 8'10.5" ... that's not very big for a C at all (it's just an inch higher than our own James Johnson), and he doesn't have the kind of crazy athleticism needed to overcome that (the way a guy like Noah does). Biyombo's crazy length, coupled with the kind of elite quickness and athleticism he possesses (which neither Kanter/Val have) and his defensive instincts (plus his production in the ACB) make him an equal, albeit different type of prospect, imo.

[5DOM]

Udoh's also 5 years older

[Indeed]

Valanciunas would make frequent poster material. Our defense is a joke already, why do this?

I'll take Biyombo before I even consider Valanciunas.

You know, I though GSW were idiots to take Udoh over Monroe last year at #6, and I'd feel the same-ish about this pick as BB vs. Val/Kanter. Udoh was the defense-only player, Monroe the opposite. GSW taking Udoh over Monroe was a huge mistake, they'd have to give up Curry to get him now because you can't get Greg Monroes.

I think the draft is the only way to get young, skilled bigs. You can find 6'9 hustle bigs later in the draft or outside of it... their careers hinge on actual intangibles, you know, things you can't see, measured by NBA team success. You can't project it, and you can't count on it. There is no league like the NBA.

I don't hate BB as a prospect, I love D, but I think he's an 11-15 pick in a typical draft or 8-12 this year. Past the likely starters and into the unknown... much like Larry Sanders last year, who I'd have wanted if Ed were not there. Val's size/skill ratio puts him into the top-half of the lotto in a typical year, top-5 this year, and I think the same of Kanter though he's just big enough IMO.

Yup, I agree. If we trade down to 8th or 9th, I will pick BB. However, not at 5th.
I might trade Ed Davis for 5th (Knight, Kanter, Walker), but I won't trade Ed Davis for 8th (BB) in this draft.

[DG88]

Valanciunas would make frequent poster material. Our defense is a joke already, why do this?

I'll take Biyombo before I even consider Valanciunas.

Biyombo could be a hit and miss player since he's could be the next Ben Wallace or the next Saer Sene. I wouldn't knock down Valanciunas he's a tough player who reminds me of Omer Asik for the Bulls and he's a good player that anyone on this board would love to have. I'd have no problem if any of these 3 players are picked with our pick in no particular order: Knight, Kemba, Valanciunas.

[wanker]

Udoh's also 5 years older

Ummm, Biyombo is pushing 30.

[gerrit4]

Unless it's just a smokescreen, it's looking like a legit possibility that Kanter drops to us at 5. Although he's got quite a few question marks, I'd love to give him a shot. Guys like that (if he pans out) are really tough to get.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

The main topic: Jonas Valanciunas of Lithuania. He is considered by most teams to be the most intriguing of the bunch. At 6-11, with a reported 7-6 wingspan and a Joakim Noah(notes)-type motor, he's the type of prospect NBA teams have a difficult time getting their hands on outside of the draft.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArzteLRJnTSRWNAk89H7Gqe8vLYF?slug=ycn-8514315

[TheRealDeal]

The main topic: Jonas Valanciunas of Lithuania. He is considered by most teams to be the most intriguing of the bunch. At 6-11, with a reported 7-6 wingspan and a Joakim Noah(notes)-type motor, he's the type of prospect NBA teams have a difficult time getting their hands on outside of the draft.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArzteLRJnTSRWNAk89H7Gqe8vLYF?slug=ycn-8514315

Bigs rise.

It sounds like Val has solidified himself as top 5 pick. The Cavs are reportedly interested in him even if Kanter is still on the board. Once Cleveland sees him in workouts and get measurements it'll be tough for them to pass him up. That means Kanter or Knight would fall to us so we should be paying attention to what Utah is doing.

If Val falls to us and it's Val vs. Knight it'll be an interesting debate.

[Rapsobsessed7]

heres how i think the draft goes in the top 8.

CLE: Irving (clear cut #1)
MIN: Kanter (or trade the pick and the team drafts D.Williams)
UTA: Williams/Kanter (left over of the 2)
CLE: Val/Biyombo/Leonard or Burks (could rise during workouts)
TOR: Knight
WAS: Vesley or Leonard (if CLE doesnt pick him but WAS is high on Vesley)
SAC: Walker
DET: Bioymbo/Val (if CLE doesnt pick him)/Thompson

which means we end up with Knight or maybe im just looking for a way to get him

[TheRealDeal]

Knight seems like the obvious pick atm but I could see Val gaining some momentum leading up to the draft. We likely will (and should) take Knight if he's available @ 5. Passing up on Val could come back to bite us in the ass if he turns into a great center and Knight doesn't live up to his potential. Val is unproven as well so I won't be mad at BC if he thinks Knight has what it takes.

[tdotrep2]

Udoh's also 5 years older

this, bb is also bulkier and probably has a better reach, and more athletic. (correct me if im wrong)