Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

bboyskinnylegs · Post #301 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:01 pm

could Marshall's wrist injury potentially drop his draft stock into 2nd round territory? It's a fracture on his non-shooting hand.

delaney8 · Post #302 » by **delaney8** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:22 pm

Marshall - I doubt he falls that far - there has been talk lately that he late lotto.

McAdoo is going to stay probably. He may be the man on NC next year if everyone leaves. I guess you could make the argument that he may leave cause he doesn't want to fend by himself but UNC usually has enought talent that they are never really that bad talent wise.

dagger · Post #303 » by **dagger** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:41 pm

delaney8 wrote:Marshall - I doubt he falls that far - there has been talk lately that he late lotto.

McAdoo is going to stay probably. He may be the man on NC next year if everyone leaves. I guess you could make the argument that he may leave cause he doesn't want to fend by himself but UNC usually has enought talent that they are never really that bad talent wise.

Or he could do a Marvin Williams and go while the going is good.

JamesNaismith · Post #304 » by **JamesNaismith** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:49 pm

I'll be shocked if McAdoo declares himself in this draft when he'll be the man in UNC next year.

Kevin Willis · Post #305 » by **Kevin Willis** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:24 pm

Looking at a whack of games this weekend, I thought that the dissapointment is not with the freshmen that didn't perform as much as the higher classes that didn't perform. Perry Jones wasn't very good. Sullinger was ok. Barnes was ok but I can see him being a solid pro for sure. You can see his tools... Robinson was ok.

The non-NCAA performances are more impressive. Ross in the NIT and Lilliard in the CIT. Ross went nuts against Northwestern and I think Washington is a favourite to win the tourney. I also think players that don't have post-season ball will benefit because they won't have mediocre tourney performance. Players like Harkless and Leonard.

With respect to MKG, TJ always shows up in blowouts but I look for MKG to show up when the games are closer and his nerves are most calm. Right now Barnes looks to be more of a 'closer' than MKG is.

sunny · Post #306 » by **sunny** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:29 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Looking at a whack of games this weekend, I thought that the dissapointment is not with the freshmen that didn't perform as much as the higher classes that didn't perform. Perry Jones wasn't very good. Sullinger was ok. Barnes was ok but I can see him being a solid pro for sure. You can see his tools... Robinson was ok.

The non-NCAA performances are more impressive. Ross in the NIT and Lilliard in the CIT. Ross went nuts against Northwestern and I think Washington is a favourite to win the tourney. I also think players that don't have post-season ball will benefit because they won't have mediocre tourney performance. Players like Harkless and Leonard.

With respect to MKG, TJ always shows up in blowouts but I look for MKG to show up when the games are closer and his nerves are most calm. Right now Barnes looks to be more of a 'closer' than MKG is.

sullinger and robinson furthered their case with scouts this weekend, the other two you mentioned did not. Moreover, nobody cares about performance in the NIT and CIT; they are treated as pretty insignificant games by scouts and are on a completely different level. Players who aren't in the tournament definitely do not benefit. The reason for that is that all these other risers will surpass them in the rankings and as a result, take them down a notch. Despite the fact that they didn't diminish their draft stock, there becomes an inflation in the draft evaluations.

I don't know what planet Barnes is anything remotely near being considered a closer.

Kevin Willis · Post #307 » by **Kevin Willis** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:51 pm

I saw the Sullinger game. Besides finding out he has one leg longer than the other, he didn't show anything more than last year. He didn't dominate. Granted Sacre is a big guy, he still should've dominated him. Robinson was good but not top 5 good. When I say ok, I mean ok for their projections which for Robinson is top-5.

I disagree about NIT and CIT; if they had bad performances in this tournament then that's a big red flag. For instance, Wroten isn't playing that good. But I agree if you play decent - good in the tourney your stock will rise because you play when the pressure is really on. ie. Jae C, Royce White and the PG who was DPOY in his conference this year and Kenneth Faried last year are using the tournament to greatly increase their stock. But that can be a mistake since they will leap over better players on the fact they're in the tourney.

Barnes has show in his two years that he can, or will try, to close out games. Moreso than MKG. I would draft MKG over Barnes but I'm not going to deny what he's done.

sunny · Post #308 » by **sunny** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:56 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:I saw the Sullinger game. Besides finding out he has one leg longer than the other, he didn't show anything more than last year. He didn't dominate. Granted Sacre is a big guy, he still should've dominated him. Robinson was good but not top 5 good. When I say ok, I mean ok for their projections which for Robinson is top-5.

I disagree about NIT and CIT; if they had bad performances in this tournament then that's a big red flag. For instance, Wroten isn't playing that good. But I agree if you play decent - good in the tourney your stock will rise because you play when the pressure is really on. ie. Jae C, Royce White and the PG who was DPOY in his conference this year and Kenneth Faried last year are using the tournament to greatly increase their stock. But that can be a mistake since they will leap over better players on the fact they're in the tourney.

Barnes has show in his two years that he can, or will try, to close out games. Moreso than MKG. I would draft MKG over Barnes but I'm not going to deny what he's done.

sullinger has been hurt all year and is very banged up now, so given that, he performed admirably. Robinson's shots werent falling but he played a great game in all other aspects, something I think scouts value a lot and love to see.

Barnes is more of a closer than MKG because MKG isn't a closer. In the end of game situations for UNC, I think Barnes doesn't want to be anywhere near the ball. Maybe he's an option for the last shot but in the last 3 minutes of games, hes nowhere to be found.

Post #309 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:58 pm

Yeah, Sullinger looked uncomfortable most of that game against Sacre, the taller player everyone is worried about for him, and Robinson looked kind of blah to me when he needs to go crazy. They won with great teams but didn't answer any questions of their games or dominate. If Pangos could buy a bucket OSU goes home and Kansas barely scraped one out last night, if they lose those games Sullinger and TR are panned.

Post #310 » by **Undefeated** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:04 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:However, I think he will still struggle defensively in the NBA. I'm not a fan purely athletes wither to be honest..I'm much prefer skill. But I don't think he's got what it takes defensively. He's just not that quick on his feet. I think/hope is bigger body and strength helps but at this point his lateral quicks aren't that good. Neither is his offense but he's definitely picked it up. I think he will be a good offensive player and has shown an improvement in his shooting stroke. But again, I think like Calderon he'll struggle getting into the paint and become a perimeter oriented PG. Not a bad thing, not a great thing.

I think Kendall Marshall's lack of explosiveness is magnified way too much. He'll have his shares of struggles getting into the paint, by no means is he a Jose Calderon who needs a million picks on a single possession to get his feet in the paint. He's got a deceptive first step to blow-by defenders when they're running out at him, and an excellent change of direction and gears to get past and around his man. He does play below the rim which I hate barely getting his hand at the rim on a lay-up drive. But he at least can play around with his handles and sprinkles of maneuvers being a euro-stepper keeping the defense on their heels.

I just checked Chad Ford's Big Board, and he has James McAdoo projected at 7th

. Over Jeremy Lamb? That **** cray.

DreamTeam09 · Post #311 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:09 pm

I saw a highlight of yesterdays game where Marshall got to the rim from really far really fast with 1 dribble for a lay up. Dudes quick.

PowerPhil15 · Post #312 » by **PowerPhil15** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:14 pm

It would be great if we could move our two seconds for a first if Marshall drops. Comming out with barnes/marshall would be unreal.

Bayless/Marshal
Derozen/Forbes
Barnes/JJ
Bargs/Ed
Val/Amir

DreamTeam09 · Post #313 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:18 pm

^^ I've been calling for the 2 UNC boys the whole yr but no1 been hearing me...

PowerPhil15 · Post #314 » by **PowerPhil15** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:27 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:^^ I've been calling for the 2 UNC boys the whole yr but no1 been hearing me...

Having another Ed Davis/Val draft situation would be great. both times we drafted a player that had a particular problem during the year, ended up being a very good draft pick for us. Marshalls injury might be that player. Also Qmiller might now be a late first rounder, Pjones/Terrance are lower than they should be IMO. There will be a lot of upsets in the draft this year, its really difficult to make the draft decision for the top 10, let alone the players after

DA_SCOUT · Post #315 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:32 pm

Tough Tony D wrote:
fredericklove wrote:That other poster posted this on his thread, I'm definitely going to watch this on my phone tonight. Can't wait to see MKG's personality on this clip.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZGQJV8iHjk[/youtube]

Just finished watching. Hope struggling in big games isnt a pattern for MKG (if you consider HS ball really that important). Sad about his dad and uncle. I knew it before that, but its crazy that the camera crew was following them all the while. Definetly still want him, and wish him success, seems like a great, great kid.

Although his performance hasn't been amazing of late, this documentary made me a MKG fan.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #316 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:40 pm

Gonna be pissed if we pass on MKG.

PowerPhil15 · Post #317 » by **PowerPhil15** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:45 pm

Yeah its kind of like a bledsoe situation with MKG as well. He is the third/fourth option with Davis, Jones, Lamb on the roster. If he joins the raptors, he could solidify a second option spot. The good thing about MKG though is the fact that he can be extremely effective, even as a fourth option (Great rebounder, defender, passer). He is such a valuable asset.

DreamTeam09 · Post #318 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:47 pm

^^If MKG projected as a 20+ scorer I would be all for taking him, but he doesn't. Hes more in the 15ppg range which is not what we need. MKG on the raps would be doing the samething JJ does for us. As a raptor draft board Lamb + maybe Beal should be ahead of MKG.

JN · Post #319 » by JN » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:52 pm

I don't really think Royce White or Jae Crowder's stock is rising all that much. Fans notice them now, scouts notice them in January and February.

Rapsfan07 · Post #320 » by **Rapsfan07** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:02 pm

TheClutchTrey wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:However, I think he will still struggle defensively in the NBA. I'm not a fan purely athletes wither to be honest..I'm much prefer skill. But I don't think he's got what it takes defensively. He's just not that quick on his feet. I think/hope is bigger body and strength helps but at this point his lateral quicks aren't that good. Neither is his offense but he's definitely picked it up. I think he will be a good offensive player and has shown an improvement in his shooting stroke. But again, I think like Calderon he'll struggle getting into the paint and become a perimeter oriented PG. Not a bad thing, not a great thing.

I think Kendall Marshall's lack of explosiveness is magnified way too much. He'll have his shares of struggles getting into the paint, by no means is he a Jose Calderon who needs a million picks on a single possession to get his feet in the paint. He's got a deceptive first step to blow-by defenders when they're running out at him, and an excellent change of direction and gears to get past and around his man. He does play below the rim which I hate barely getting his hand at the rim on a lay-up drive. But he at least can play around with his handles and sprinkles of maneuvers being a euro-stepper keeping the defense on their heels.

I just checked Chad Ford's Big Board, and he has James McAdoo projected at 7th . Over Jeremy Lamb? That **** cray.

I hear all that. But with the way the NBA is turning to the fast guards, I can't help but feel that he'll be a liability on defense. Oh well. I guess only time will tell.

But yeah that is some crazy sh*t. Ford does some really crazy things sometimes. I personally wouldn't even look at McAdoo this year. He'd be much better served coming back next year.

PowerPhil15 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:^^ I've been calling for the 2 UNC boys the whole yr but no1 been hearing me...

Having another Ed Davis/Val draft situation would be great. both times we drafted a player that had a particular problem during the year, ended up being a very good draft pick for us. Marshalls injury might be that player. Also Qmiller might now be a late first rounder, Pjones/Terrance are lower than they should be IMO. There will be a lot of upsets in the draft this year, its really difficult to make the draft decision for the top 10, let alone the players after

Both Ford and DX have Quincy Miller in the late lottery. I highly doubt he'd go THAT late. But if he and his circle feel like it's possible that he'd slip that far, it'd be better for him to just work on his game in the summer and go back to Baylor for his second year. I have faith in the guy and I think he'll be a hell of a player. He needs to work on his D and what not but I think if he was healthy, he's the best SF in the draft. He needs either a solid tourney showing if he's coming out this year or just come back next year when he's feeling better and not a 3rd banana to Jackson or PJ3.

I like MKG's intangibles and how he can affect the game in different areas but to be honest I'm really not that high on him. I wish him well though.

Who do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?