Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[SharoneWright]

For picking Val, Ross, Lowry, and Casey? All good decisions.

Bad contract to Fields is bad - but was intended to secure Nash.

He'll dump it anyway.

It's a little premature calling the Ross pick a "good decision" when the general consensus has been it was a reach for a player with limited upside

I don't blame BC for being at a bad spot in the draft/lotto - a couple extra losses or a coin flip would make that pick much more of a sure thing. I think Ross was the right decision there.

[UN-Owen]

For picking Val, Ross, Lowry, and Casey? All good decisions.

Bad contract to Fields is bad - but was intended to secure Nash.

He'll dump it anyway.

It's a little premature calling the Ross pick a "good decision" when the general consensus has been it was a reach for a player with limited upside

I don't blame BC for being at a bad spot in the draft/lotto - a couple extra losses or a coin flip would make that pick much more of a sure thing. I think Ross was the right decision there.

The "right" decision would've been to trade down, acquire an additional asset and then take Ross a little closer to his projected draft slot

Taking Ross at #8 wasn't maximizing the value of the pick -- which another poster articulated earlier in the thread

[sanity]

Lowry did not come here without any cost. It was a protected lotto pick. As far as that being a good move its still debatable considering where this franchise is in terms of being competitive.

If we fail to make the playoffs he might be considered a stop-gap piece to make this team barely watchable and not an actual long-term solution.

[SDM]

Coleangelo knows more about basketball than anyone on this board. As much as that will pain the negative folks around here.

On paper he does. On paper he also puts together losing teams that many posters here have accurately predicted would be poor performing. I don't think there's anything in the last 7 years that indicates he's more effective than some posters here would be.

Wait. Many, MANY posters have inaccurately predicted they would perform well - more so than those who thought they would perform poorly by a mile.

The smart posters have put those posters on ignore.

I get your point, it's valid, but I think "perform well" to most was squeaking into the playoffs. Few have said this team has deep playoff long term potential. That's not performing well in my books when we have an existing talent void.

[Too Late Crew]

For picking Val, Ross, Lowry, and Casey? All good decisions.

Bad contract to Fields is bad - but was intended to secure Nash.

He'll dump it anyway.

And securing Nash was a GOOD idea?

What would the team D (which has been terrible) look like with Nash as the starting PG?

Nash was a terrible revenue producing, job saving non basketball idea.

[garbagnani]

Sure fields has looked terrible, Toronto has always had a difficult time getting good FA's. Good FA signings have been few and far between in the history of our franchise.

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So we should just excuse BC getting Fields because other Raptor Free agent signings have also been garbage? Uhhmmm who made those other Garbage FA signings like Hedo , Klieza or Kappono? BC!

I know Brian the electrician caused the kitchen to catch fire..but hey rooms in your house have been catching fire for years so he' deserves another chance could happen to anyone. . First the living room then the basement a the attic.

"well who was the electrician in those rooms"

"Uhhmm it was Brian ...."

lol. I am only saying that signing FA's to Toronto isn't easy, we will always overpay for FA's.

[garbagnani]

The only mistake BC made in signing Fields into that 19mil contract was he forgot to put a dot in between 1 and 9.

haha. this is true!

[garbagnani]

BC has a history of overpaying for mediocre players. He inked Q-Rich to an offer sheet of 48 million over 6 years

That was immediately following a season in which Q shot .398% from the field


Not surprisingly the Clips chose not to match the offer sheet

the only way to get an RFA from current team is to pay more than current team willing to match.

[garbagnani]

I dont get it. BC gets us Lowry, who by all accounts looks like a total stud, by far BC's best move in ages and you want to fire him now?
jonas looks like a allstar in the making.
THe derozan signing isnt bad at all, if he averages 18ppg he will be very tradeable with that contract.
Sure fields has looked terrible, Toronto has always had a difficult time getting good FA's. Good FA signings have been few and far between in the history of our franchise.

This is just the same old raptors realgm PANAC mode. lose some games lets over react.

I'm assuming you became a Raptors fan once Bargnani joined the team..

what in the world would make you ASSuME that?

I have been a hardcore raps fan since 1998.

[KnickerBonkerz]

Franchise has been on a treadmill his entire tenure, whenever it seems like they're starting to rebuild the right way... here comes the fast track with a horrible contract for a mediocre player, or trading draft picks for a stop-gap.

Very little talk from management about contending for a championship, but no shortage of talk about hopefully, maybe, making the playoffs.

Plenty of posters here have said it before, this team has never rebuilt properly, which means going through 2 or 3 horrible seasons and loading up on lottery picks. But every year it seems like there's this pressure to make all these short term moves that sacrifice the future just so they can fill seats.

[garbagnani]

The "right" decision would've been to trade down, acquire an additional asset and then take Ross a little closer to his projected draft slot

Taking Ross at #8 wasn't maximizing the value of the pick -- which another poster articulated earlier in the thread

How do you know that taking Ross wasn't Maximizing value for the pick? He could end up the best player available at 8. Had we traded down he might not of been available. you are talking about projected draft slots based on Draftexpress etc. You have no idea where actual GM's projected Ross to be drafted.

[garbagnani]

Franchise has been on a treadmill his entire tenure, whenever it seems like they're starting to rebuild the right way... here comes the fast track with a horrible contract for a mediocre player, or trading draft picks for a stop-gap.

Very little talk from management about contending for a championship, but no shortage of talk about hopefully, maybe, making the playoffs.

Plenty of posters here have said it before, this team has never rebuilt properly, which means going through 2 or 3 horrible seasons and loading up on lottery picks. But every year it seems like there's this pressure to make all these short term moves that sacrifice the future just so they can fill seats.

Franchise has been on the treadmill since its existence.

[lucky777s]

BC spends more time dumping his bad acquisitions than he does, you know, actually building a winner.

I don't need to pay someone $4 million per year to write things down and erase them for the past seven years.

BC is the Etch-A-Sketch GM. Like an 8 year old with ADD and an EtchASketch more accurately.

[Too Late Crew]

lol. I am only saying that signing FA's to Toronto isn't easy, we will always overpay for FA's.

Yes but there is overpaying like Giving Richard Jefferson 10 M bucks who once put up 22 and 7 and then there is OVERPAYING like giving guy who averaged 9 and 4 on 25 % 3 point shooting and 58% FT shooting 19 M.

One is paying a guy who's useful more money than he's worth. Yeah you spent too much but you still get good useful production.
The other is spending too much and getting a guy who doesn't help you win.

[UN-Owen]

BC has a history of overpaying for mediocre players. He inked Q-Rich to an offer sheet of 48 million over 6 years

That was immediately following a season in which Q shot .398% from the field


Not surprisingly the Clips chose not to match the offer sheet

the only way to get an RFA from current team is to pay more than current team willing to match.

Sure, but that doesn't mean you pay far above market value -- which BC has done repeatedly

It's just not good business to buy a nickel for 10 cents

So maybe RFA isn't the way to add valuable assets to our roster

[Death Knight]

If he doesn't make a major move sometime this season, sure. A GM who only makes minor moves and expects major improvements. Doesn't work like that.

[Throwback24]

If he doesn't make a major move sometime this season, sure. A GM who only makes minor moves and expects major improvements. Doesn't work like that.

Why wait for BC to further cripple the franchise? He's already cut off our arms, do you really want to be handicap?

He needs to be stopped. Period.

[UN-Owen]

The "right" decision would've been to trade down, acquire an additional asset and then take Ross a little closer to his projected draft slot

Taking Ross at #8 wasn't maximizing the value of the pick -- which another poster articulated earlier in the thread

How do you know that taking Ross wasn't Maximizing value for the pick? He could end up the best player available at 8. Had we traded down he might not of been available. you are talking about projected draft slots based on Draftexpress etc. You have no idea where actual GM's projected Ross to be drafted.

In theory, any player that was available at #8 could wind up being the best player in the draft

Does that mean you would defend BC had he drafted Andrew Nicholson?

[garbagnani]

BC has a history of overpaying for mediocre players. He inked Q-Rich to an offer sheet of 48 million over 6 years

That was immediately following a season in which Q shot .398% from the field


Not surprisingly the Clips chose not to match the offer sheet

the only way to get an RFA from current team is to pay more than current team willing to match.

Sure, but that doesn't mean you pay far above market value -- which BC has done repeatedly

It's just not good business to buy a nickel for 10 cents

So maybe RFA isn't the way to add valuable assets to our roster

WE have to overpay for UFA's to even consider coming here, only way to get one is to pay more than everyone else. Just like RFA's. We are basically screwed in FA period.

[Shaazzam]

That's all well and good, but we always seem to overpay **** players.

Why can't we overpay some good players?

Or keep the capspace open so we can trade for someone else's overpaid good player.