Officiating in the NBA

[Dr Comeback]

So what did donaghy actually say?

I just wanted to log in to ask, did anybody listen to the Tim Donaghy section? And can anybody provide a recap please? Thank you.

usuall horse ****.

1. The league subtly influence who should win the series by sending a league representative down and making you watch tape of one team more than another.

2. The refs for the toronto series are home crowd refs who don't want to go against a loud boisterous crowd.


3. Tim says the Raptor crowd isn't loud enough to influence them (ahahahahahahahahahah)

[Prokorov]

This. I'm saying other refs were definitely involved, but I'm just looking at what's more plausible. What's more plausible is that he probably had help, or at least there were other refs that knew and turned a blind eye to what he was doing.

It was also in the NBA's best interest to keep it as contained as possible. There was no way they were going to implicate more referees, unless higher up (the government, law enforcement) went over the NBA's heads.

Have you read the book? if not i would suggest reading it, as it talks about all that stuff.

Also, there is a misconception that they were fixing games. that really wasnt the case, it was more influencing the betting lines and informing gamblers of the refrees tendancies. they already knew how the games were going to be officiated based on the crews, donoghy more or less just made the knowledge available to people who could win money off of it.

Also, like 99% of the gambling and intentionally poor officiating they did had nothing to do with the teams, it was just a way for them to gamble and have fun with it. He said before the games they would all put in 100$ and the last one of them to call a foul would get it... so they would just let every call possible go to try and win the money. he said sometimes he would call like a travel isntead of an offensive foul to stay in the running for the money.

either way, its 100% clear the NBA was more concerned about the perception and less concerned about cleaning it up. They also got a HUGE gift in that after this news came out, a few days later michael vick was indicted on charges of illegal dog fighting, which really took the heat off the NBA

either way, if they REALLY wanted to clean it up, they would have just dumped every single referee, had a 3rd party come in and impliment checks and balances, and higher a completely new crew. none of which happened...

the timing of the vick thing was really unfortunate, had that not come out at that time, this is a much bigger story, much more in the spot light and the NBA's hand forced alot more

[Patman]

This. I'm saying other refs were definitely involved, but I'm just looking at what's more plausible. What's more plausible is that he probably had help, or at least there were other refs that knew and turned a blind eye to what he was doing.

It was also in the NBA's best interest to keep it as contained as possible. There was no way they were going to implicate more referees, unless higher up (the government, law enforcement) went over the NBA's heads.

Have you read the book? if not i would suggest reading it, as it talks about all that stuff.

I have no intentions of putting money into Tim Donaghy's pockets lol. But I have read excerpts here and there when stumbled upon.

But yes, the NBA did the equivalent of removing the moldy slice of bread and proceeding to serve the rest of the loaf.

[Rhettmatic]

For those asking for a recap, many of his comments are quoted in this Sportsnet story:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/ ... -referees/

“What (the league does) is they actually send in a representative from the league office to sit down with the referees at an 11 o’clock meeting in the morning where they go over game film,” Donaghy said. “They will show the referees what they want called, what they want them to concentrate on, what they feel needs to be called or let go in a series to avoid any problems. With that, you would leave the room and say to yourself one team is put at an advantage or disadvantage.

“In this situation, Brooklyn would be put at an advantage. A Brooklyn-Miami matchup would bring great ratings and that’s what this is all about for the NBA and the league offices – bringing in as many dollars as they can.”

Entering game two, Donaghy doesn’t expect the Raptors to see much of an improvement from the officials.

“When I look at refs for tonight’s game for example… if you’re putting Gary Zielinski and David Jones in an arena like Portland where the fans are very boisterous and come down on you at every call, then that home team will have an advantage. They’re what we consider to be in the referee world kind of like homer refs. They don’t like to go against the tough crowd.

“This isn’t a knock on Toronto or their fans, but they don’t have that type of crowd. If they did, I would say Toronto would be in good shape tonight.”

More garbage at the link.

[Dr Comeback]

This. I'm saying other refs were definitely involved, but I'm just looking at what's more plausible. What's more plausible is that he probably had help, or at least there were other refs that knew and turned a blind eye to what he was doing.

It was also in the NBA's best interest to keep it as contained as possible. There was no way they were going to implicate more referees, unless higher up (the government, law enforcement) went over the NBA's heads.

Have you read the book? if not i would suggest reading it, as it talks about all that stuff.

Also, there is a misconception that they were fixing games. that really wasnt the case, it was more influencing the betting lines and informing gamblers of the refrees tendancies. they already knew how the games were going to be officiated based on the crews, donoghy more or less just made the knowledge available to people who could win money off of it.

Also, like 99% of the gambling and intentionally poor officiating they did had nothing to do with the teams, it was just a way for them to gamble and have fun with it. He said before the games they would all put in 100$ and the last one of them to call a foul would get it... so they would just let every call possible go to try and win the money. he said sometimes he would call like a travel isntead of an offensive foul to stay in the running for the money.

NO they were fixing games dude.

all of the refere tenedacy stuff has been debunked multiple times, by true hoop, by horalabous, by just using basic reason, he was paid 5000 per play, he;s reffing the game, it would make no sense to take that much risk and not try to influence the game.

He bet on the games that he reffed, and made marginal calls over the course of that game to influence the result.

Anything he says can't be believed, especially that book you have to take it as complete fiction.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Donaghy is a criminal, but where would the justice system be if the words of criminals were automatically discounted as total lies.

As well, wouldn't it be also true that NBA has been proven to employ refs who fix games, and were unable to notice the activity when it was right under their nose, nor was there any sign, prior to if coming out publicly that his performance as a ref was in question? Makes you wonder, are they even looking?

[Prokorov]

This. I'm saying other refs were definitely involved, but I'm just looking at what's more plausible. What's more plausible is that he probably had help, or at least there were other refs that knew and turned a blind eye to what he was doing.

It was also in the NBA's best interest to keep it as contained as possible. There was no way they were going to implicate more referees, unless higher up (the government, law enforcement) went over the NBA's heads.

Have you read the book? if not i would suggest reading it, as it talks about all that stuff.

I have no intentions of putting money into Tim Donaghy's pockets lol. But I have read excerpts here and there when stumbled upon.

But yes, the NBA did the equivalent of removing the moldy slice of bread and proceeding to serve the rest of the loaf.

i can understand that.... maybe check out at your library then if you dont want to put money in his pockets... either way, its a really itneresting read. and one where he doesnt look to paint himself in a good light

[Truthrising]

This. I'm saying other refs were definitely involved, but I'm just looking at what's more plausible. What's more plausible is that he probably had help, or at least there were other refs that knew and turned a blind eye to what he was doing.

It was also in the NBA's best interest to keep it as contained as possible. There was no way they were going to implicate more referees, unless higher up (the government, law enforcement) went over the NBA's heads.

Have you read the book? if not i would suggest reading it, as it talks about all that stuff.

Also, there is a misconception that they were fixing games. that really wasnt the case, it was more influencing the betting lines and informing gamblers of the refrees tendancies. they already knew how the games were going to be officiated based on the crews, donoghy more or less just made the knowledge available to people who could win money off of it.

Also, like 99% of the gambling and intentionally poor officiating they did had nothing to do with the teams, it was just a way for them to gamble and have fun with it. He said before the games they would all put in 100$ and the last one of them to call a foul would get it... so they would just let every call possible go to try and win the money. he said sometimes he would call like a travel isntead of an offensive foul to stay in the running for the money.

NO they were fixing games dude.

all of the refere tenedacy stuff has been debunked multiple times, by true hoop, by horalabous, by just using basic reason, he was paid 5000 per play, he;s reffing the game, it would make no sense to take that much risk and not try to influence the game.

He bet on the games that he reffed, and made marginal calls over the course of that game to influence the result.

Anything he says can't be believed, especially that book you have to take it as complete fiction.

WOW...this ballboy's mad ..ok ok the reffing is legit in the NBA

[Dr Comeback]

Donaghy is a criminal, but where would the justice system be if the words of criminals were automatically discounted as total lies.

As well, wouldn't it be also true that NBA has been proven to employ refs who fix games, and were unable to notice the activity when it was right under their nose, nor was there any sign, prior to if coming out publicly that his performance as a ref was in question? Makes you wonder, are they even looking?

so why not fix it in favor of the under dog?

the raptors are the under dog in the series right? if the NBA does have a betting problem it would go against the superstar get all the calls narrative and big markets always win.


bad officiating =/= fixed officiating.

[Chamilitary Man]

Recap?

These have been the best officiated playoffs I've ever seen to be honest.

So this is your first season watching the NBA? In the first 2 days the NBA issued two apologies for missed calls. The reffing in like 70% of the games has been horrible for both sides. I guess you could call it even in that sense.

[Steelo Green]

Recap?

These have been the best officiated playoffs I've ever seen to be honest.

So this is your first season watching the NBA? In the first 2 days the NBA issued two apologies for missed calls. The reffing in like 70% of the games has been horrible for both sides. I guess you could call it even in that sense.

I guess you haven't seen the playoffs historically because historically they don't apologize for blatant pathetic reffing, for once they are actually taking responsibility.

Dwayne Wade averaging 25 FTs a game, do people forget?

[Dr Comeback]

Just really think about it for a second.


What right thinking human being would risk a 6 figure a year job, with great job security and 6 month working season.

for 5000 bucks a play.

not to mention the risk of dealing with potential members of organized crime.


only a buffoon or someone addicted to gambling would even consider that.

[RedX]

wow...

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Donaghy is a criminal, but where would the justice system be if the words of criminals were automatically discounted as total lies.

As well, wouldn't it be also true that NBA has been proven to employ refs who fix games, and were unable to notice the activity when it was right under their nose, nor was there any sign, prior to if coming out publicly that his performance as a ref was in question? Makes you wonder, are they even looking?

so why not fix it in favor of the under dog?

the raptors are the under dog in the series right? if the NBA does have a betting problem it would go against the superstar get all the calls narrative and big markets always win.


bad officiating =/= fixed officiating.

It is about money, but also micro fixing and macro fixing. The individual games that TD altered, micro. About money, but money from his betting. The Lakers - Kings series, the fact that LeBron doesn't foul, the NBA's version of Jordan Rules, Superstar Calls Blake Griffin Dunk Contest from jumping over a KIA, sponsored by Kia- that's Macro fixing. And the NBA gets rewarded in TV revenue, not betting lines.

[IntricateOh25]

For those asking for a recap, many of his comments are quoted in this Sportsnet story:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/ ... -referees/

Entering game two, Donaghy doesn’t expect the Raptors to see much of an improvement from the officials.

“When I look at refs for tonight’s game for example… if you’re putting Gary Zielinski and David Jones in an arena like Portland where the fans are very boisterous and come down on you at every call, then that home team will have an advantage. They’re what we consider to be in the referee world kind of like homer refs. They don’t like to go against the tough crowd.

“This isn’t a knock on Toronto or their fans, but they don’t have that type of crowd. If they did, I would say Toronto would be in good shape tonight.”

More garbage at the link.

Based on this logic, Toronto will be in good shape tonight. Our crowd will be ruthless.

[Left Side Drive]

How does Toronto not have a good crowd? It's much better than Miami or Indiana that's for sure. Our crowds only get shown on NBAtv (lol) no wonder no one in the world knows except for people from toronto.

[Dr Comeback]

How does Toronto not have a good crowd? It's much better than Miami or Indiana that's for sure. Our crowds only get shown on NBAtv (lol) no wonder no one in the world knows except for people from toronto.

he's making it up as he goes along.

[silverhill27]

How does Toronto not have a good crowd? It's much better than Miami or Indiana that's for sure. Our crowds only get shown on NBAtv (lol) no wonder no one in the world knows except for people from toronto.

One game doesn't build a reputation. That was the first rowdy crowd people noticed in 7 years since the last playoffs.

[Young_Buc]

How does Toronto not have a good crowd? It's much better than Miami or Indiana that's for sure. Our crowds only get shown on NBAtv (lol) no wonder no one in the world knows except for people from toronto.

he's making it up as he goes along.

Um.. He's making it up. Toronto is known for pretty much being the rowdiest fans. They chanted B-S to calls and everything. LOUDLY.

[Truthrising]

Donaghy is a criminal, but where would the justice system be if the words of criminals were automatically discounted as total lies.

As well, wouldn't it be also true that NBA has been proven to employ refs who fix games, and were unable to notice the activity when it was right under their nose, nor was there any sign, prior to if coming out publicly that his performance as a ref was in question? Makes you wonder, are they even looking?

so why not fix it in favor of the under dog?

the raptors are the under dog in the series right? if the NBA does have a betting problem it would go against the superstar get all the calls narrative and big markets always win.


bad officiating =/= fixed officiating.

It is about money, but also micro fixing and macro fixing. The individual games that TD altered, micro. About money, but money from his betting. The Lakers - Kings series, the fact that LeBron doesn't foul, the NBA's version of Jordan Rules, Superstar Calls Blake Griffin Dunk Contest from jumping over a KIA, sponsored by Kia- that's Macro fixing. And the NBA gets rewarded in TV revenue, not betting lines.

Yep it's about revenue for the NBA, if I was commissioner and i'd want to make sure the league is healthy...would I rather want a Brooklyn Nets vs Miami Heat Playoffs or Raptors vs Heats playoffs...c'mon it's not even close..i'd most definitely want Net's vs Heat playoff and i'm sure that the referees have gotten their orders to keep it so.