Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4)

[JJ From Deep]

Need Milwaukee to hand Philly another L today.

[Kevin Willis]

I'm a Chriss fan because I saw him and my first thought was a less polished Aaron Gordon with shot blocking ability but I wonder if Masai might be gunshy of a 6'9-ish freak athlete jump shooting big after just witnessing Bennett's struggles firsthand.

Hear me out on this. Even if you grant that Chriss is the superior athlete to Bennett (and he is) AB was no slouch and was blessed with freakishly long arms. More importantly, Bennett dominated UNLV with a nice mix of inside and out play and despite tremendous opportunities in 3 different situations hasn't been able to even carve out a reliable bench role yet.

There's so far only been one Blake Griffin-type that's made that size and athleticism and shooting skill work at the level everyone hoped and that's Blake Griffin himself. Derrick Williams couldn't do it either. Aaron Gordon might be the most promising of these types and is one of the best athletes ever seen of these types but it's even difficult to see the path toward him becoming a top 15 2-way PF at the moment to me, barring some extremely rare growth. Not too long ago we had Ed Davis. He had NBA pedigree. Came from UNC. Was well-coached there and won. Had tremendous NBA athleticism and motor but he's still basically been an energy big off the bench in his career. Hump was built like a linebacker and had some impressive finesse skill for such a bruiser. The NBA PF position is loaded with enough talented and still reasonably young 2-way vets that it's becoming increasingly hard for raw PFs without one or two NBA-ready elite skills and high bball IQ on the defensive end to make their mark. You can get guys like Hansbrough or Hump for cheap year after year. It makes me less excited about the path for guys like Chriss that need a lot of work if they also don't have a length advantage in addition to the athleticism.

I have faith in Masai though. If he picked Chriss I'd feel good about the path they imagine for him but after the failed Bennett experiment I can't help but wonder if he might be a little gunshy when looking at a kid like this in an open gym who looks even less refined than Bennett did with similar (or worse) length. Chriss is probably 2 years away from being two years away from truly challenging vet PFs in this league for a starting spot and that's IF all goes well for him.

I like what you did in terms of grouping the type of players and comment on it.

I think that Masai should draft a power forward with the lotto pick and a stash and dash with the second pick. There are some good wing players in this draft but we don't need more. We also don't need more PGs that will reduce playing time for Wright.

DD (start)
Carroll (start)
Powell
TRoss
Caboclo
Cujo ( 2G lineup)
Wright ( 2G lineup)

Any wing player will get no minutes unless they play in Europe until there is an opening. Saying that I think there are a couple of groups for PF:

Blake Griffin type uber-athletic, shooting PF with some skill
Chriss
Siakram

Chris Bosh/Ed Davis long, slim, skilled PF with some range and can rebound
Skal
Rabb
Cornelie
Brice Johnson

Kevin Love / Frye stretch 4 who could rebound a little
Ellenson

Traditional power big with an old man's game
Sabonis

Amir / Tristan Thompson blue collar dirty work type
Diallo
Okuako

Not sure where to put Bender or Bentil. But looking at the groups I think a good fit on this team is the Blake Griffin type, Chris Bosh type and maybe a Kevin Love type. The others won't work as well next to either JV and the rest of our line-up. For our stash and dash whomever the best foreign player is left on the board for the pick without considering position.

[Morse Code]

Im switching up, I want OG Anunoby. He could be amazing down the road. I was hoping to avoid another project, but I have confidence in Masai to find good stop gaps while OG develops in the 905.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Im switching up, I want OG Anunoby. He could be amazing down the road. I was hoping to avoid another project, but I have confidence in Masai to find good stop gaps while OG develops in the 905.

We just need him to declare! Thomas Bryant going back has me scared that OG will return too.

[Mark_83]

Some comments. You can't see it here, but Prince scares me. His shooting has got worse each and every year in college.

Brown actually hurts his team on O. He may be built like a mini-LeBron, but that is the opposite of LeBron.

Not only does Brice Johnson rebound at an all-star level, his ORtg - DRtg differential is amazing!

If Masai decides to go PF with the first pick, Davis might just have the most upside. Best D already, great blocker, good rebounder, and a nice mid range jumper. Rabb isn't bad either. Good across the board.

Murray, excellent numbers for a player his age. Will he be better than Valentine at 22? Who knows. He does have a slight headstart though.

Chriss. Poor rebounding, poor D, Meh on O, but he can hit the 3. Someone will regret making him a lottery pick.

And on to the point guards, Dunn, Valentine and Jackson. Hmmm, which one spent the season guarding SFs and still smokes the other two on D? Which one rebounds better than half of the PFs on this list? Which one smokes the other two in the assist department? Which one has the highest BPM of ALL of the potential picks listed? Which one is the second best 3 point shooter on the whole list? Which one has an absolutely massive 33 point ORtg-DRtg differential? Which one was the AP College player of the year? Yup, this guy. The guy we should be picking if we are going BPA with the Nugget's pick.

While stats are good at identifying some elements of where a player's development has gone so far, it is dangerous to extrapolate too much from college stats. I would say ORTG and DRTG are particularly dependent on the system and teammates.

Freshmen in particular are difficult to extrapolate with only one year of data and strong reliance on how they are used in their system. For a lot of these guys like Brown and Chriss, stats can help us identify their current weaknesses and from there we can determine how much that can be improved upon and how difficult that road might be. A lot of that is about coachability, work ethic and BBIQ.

Brown's deficiencies I see as much more fixable and he has the IQ to make that transition in comparison to Chriss.

And then there are guys like Brice and Valentine who are seniors and we need to see how much of their success will translate to the NBA. It is always dangerous to overrate the numbers with seniors who are often just physically and mentally more mature than their competition in college. So it is important to see how they are putting up those numbers and whether the skills they take advantage of in college will translate in the NBA.

As you know I like both of them and I think both of them will translate. I don't think Valentine's defense will translate to the same level because of his below average athleticism and Brice's offense will also not translate because of his lack of advanced moves and range. However I think both will be ok enough at their weaknesses not to be liabilities.

However, Valentine's vast offensive skills are not strongly dependent on athleticism but more on his above average IQ and he will be able to use a lot of his skills to win in the NBA as well. Brice's athleticism will make him a very useful defender in the NBA and his defensive numbers should translate and may even become elite, although he still has a long way to go to get there.

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Have to second this. Nice work by deeps6x but anyone that watched Michigan State play this year can tell you that Valentine was a poor defensive player on an excellent defensive team. They had to hide him a lot. He particularly had problems guarding quicker backcourt players - where he'll likely be matching up in the NBA.

I gotta agree. The reports don't do justice to just how bad his defense is. Just from this small Montage it's borderline Calderonesque. There's no way he's seeing minutes under Casey as a rookie. Maybe a vet like Scola can get away with being a subpar defender under him, but I doubt he tolerates it from a rookie enough for him to show his positive qualities.

[YouTube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HTZgn3NddhI[/YouTube]

[deeps6x]

Some comments. You can't see it here, but Prince scares me. His shooting has got worse each and every year in college.

Brown actually hurts his team on O. He may be built like a mini-LeBron, but that is the opposite of LeBron.

Not only does Brice Johnson rebound at an all-star level, his ORtg - DRtg differential is amazing!

If Masai decides to go PF with the first pick, Davis might just have the most upside. Best D already, great blocker, good rebounder, and a nice mid range jumper. Rabb isn't bad either. Good across the board.

Murray, excellent numbers for a player his age. Will he be better than Valentine at 22? Who knows. He does have a slight headstart though.

Chriss. Poor rebounding, poor D, Meh on O, but he can hit the 3. Someone will regret making him a lottery pick.

And on to the point guards, Dunn, Valentine and Jackson. Hmmm, which one spent the season guarding SFs and still smokes the other two on D? Which one rebounds better than half of the PFs on this list? Which one smokes the other two in the assist department? Which one has the highest BPM of ALL of the potential picks listed? Which one is the second best 3 point shooter on the whole list? Which one has an absolutely massive 33 point ORtg-DRtg differential? Which one was the AP College player of the year? Yup, this guy. The guy we should be picking if we are going BPA with the Nugget's pick.

While stats are good at identifying some elements of where a player's development has gone so far, it is dangerous to extrapolate too much from college stats. I would say ORTG and DRTG are particularly dependent on the system and teammates. Which is why I threw in BPM. It treats them all fairly.

Freshmen in particular are difficult to extrapolate with only one year of data and strong reliance on how they are used in their system. For a lot of these guys like Brown and Chriss, stats can help us identify their current weaknesses and from there we can determine how much that can be improved upon and how difficult that road might be. A lot of that is about coachability, work ethic and BBIQ. Agreed.

Brown's deficiencies I see as much more fixable and he has the IQ to make that transition in comparison to Chriss. I haven't watched as much of Brown and Chriss as some of the other posters. I have noticed Chriss being immature, but I've also noticed Brown making some really dumb plays. That said, I was still shocked at how poor his ORtg rating was. You can't blame the system or the coach, as Rabb, his team mate has no issues here, and they are the same age. My guess is just that Brown has a super low BBIQ.

And then there are guys like Brice and Valentine who are seniors and we need to see how much of their success will translate to the NBA. It is always dangerous to overrate the numbers with seniors who are often just physically and mentally more mature than their competition in college. So it is important to see how they are putting up those numbers and whether the skills they take advantage of in college will translate in the NBA. Yes, seniors. Boys vs Men. I get it. But this post with the stats was more of a response to all of the Jackson pumping and Valentine bashing in the past few pages. I threw in Dunn because I think he drops. I threw in the rest because these are the players we are considering with the NYK/DEN pick. These three PGs that will be available in the 5-15 range are all 22 yrs old, give or take 6 months. They should be compared to each other. Perhaps not so much to the 19 year old kids though. Murray, who might become a PG, had better stats than Valentine or Dunn or Jackson or Hield had when all of these guys were in their first year of college. It is a promising start, but some guys, like Jackson, take 1 step higher in their college careers, others like Dunn take two steps higher, and the rare few take 3 steps higher, like Valentine. The players that can make leap after leap after leap are the ones that really have the best chance of becoming NBA stars.

As you know I like both of them and I think both of them will translate. I don't think Valentine's defense will translate to the same level because of his below average athleticism and Brice's offense will also not translate because of his lack of advanced moves and range. However I think both will be ok enough at their weaknesses not to be liabilities. Once again, I think lots of us are missing the big picture about Valentine's defense. He was guarding SFs all season while the other 2 PGs I'm comparing him to merely had to guard opposing PGs. A vast difference in difficulty. And Valentine still looked better statistically at it. You are right however, his D won't translate as well, but he will likely only have to guard PGs in the NBA, not SFs any more. Valentine might not be able to jump as high, he might not have the biggest hands or highest reach or wingspan, but he definitely has the highest BBIQ to be able to pull off all that he is accomplishing on both sides of the court. Plus, DX has him listed as 6'6" tall. That is big for a PG. It is decent for a SG. He can play both and guard PGs, SGs and SFs. Maybe not SFs so much in the NBA, but that won't be his roll there anyway.

However, Valentine's vast offensive skills are not strongly dependent on athleticism but more on his above average IQ and he will be able to use a lot of his skills to win in the NBA as well. Brice's athleticism will make him a very useful defender in the NBA and his defensive numbers should translate and may even become elite, although he still has a long way to go to get there. Brice, well considering that his team made it to the March Madness finals, I will concede that some of his ORtg-DRtg differential would be due to the winning system and surrounding players. But I think because of the differential, I also have to give him more credit than I was previously for having a high BBIQ. He still seems immature, but he gets the job done. And he does have that massive TRB number. His ability there can't be denied. That said, I have no idea if he gets picked at 14 or 28. He would be top 3 on my list for the Raptor's own pick.

[Mark_83]

I'm a Chriss fan because I saw him and my first thought was a less polished Aaron Gordon with shot blocking ability but I wonder if Masai might be gunshy of a 6'9-ish freak athlete jump shooting big after just witnessing Bennett's struggles firsthand.

Hear me out on this. Even if you grant that Chriss is the superior athlete to Bennett (and he is) AB was no slouch and was blessed with freakishly long arms. More importantly, Bennett dominated UNLV with a nice mix of inside and out play and despite tremendous opportunities in 3 different situations hasn't been able to even carve out a reliable bench role yet.

There's so far only been one Blake Griffin-type that's made that size and athleticism and shooting skill work at the level everyone hoped and that's Blake Griffin himself. Derrick Williams couldn't do it either. Aaron Gordon might be the most promising of these types and is one of the best athletes ever seen of these types but it's even difficult to see the path toward him becoming a top 15 2-way PF at the moment to me, barring some extremely rare growth. Not too long ago we had Ed Davis. He had NBA pedigree. Came from UNC. Was well-coached there and won. Had tremendous NBA athleticism and motor but he's still basically been an energy big off the bench in his career. Hump was built like a linebacker and had some impressive finesse skill for such a bruiser. The NBA PF position is loaded with enough talented and still reasonably young 2-way vets that it's becoming increasingly hard for raw PFs without one or two NBA-ready elite skills and high bball IQ on the defensive end to make their mark. You can get guys like Hansbrough or Hump for cheap year after year. It makes me less excited about the path for guys like Chriss that need a lot of work if they also don't have a length advantage in addition to the athleticism.

I have faith in Masai though. If he picked Chriss I'd feel good about the path they imagine for him but after the failed Bennett experiment I can't help but wonder if he might be a little gunshy when looking at a kid like this in an open gym who looks even less refined than Bennett did with similar (or worse) length. Chriss is probably 2 years away from being two years away from truly challenging vet PFs in this league for a starting spot and that's IF all goes well for him.

I like what you did in terms of grouping the type of players and comment on it.

I think that Masai should draft a power forward with the lotto pick and a stash and dash with the second pick. There are some good wing players in this draft but we don't need more. We also don't need more PGs that will reduce playing time for Wright.

DD (start)
Carroll (start)
Powell
TRoss
Caboclo
Cujo ( 2G lineup)
Wright ( 2G lineup)

Any wing player will get no minutes unless they play in Europe until there is an opening. Saying that I think there are a couple of groups for PF:

Blake Griffin type uber-athletic, shooting PF with some skill
Chriss
Siakram

Chris Bosh/Ed Davis long, slim, skilled PF with some range and can rebound
Skal
Rabb
Cornelie
Brice Johnson

Kevin Love / Frye stretch 4 who could rebound a little
Ellenson

Traditional power big with an old man's game
Sabonis

Amir / Tristan Thompson blue collar dirty work type
Diallo
Okuako

Not sure where to put Bender or Bentil. But looking at the groups I think a good fit on this team is the Blake Griffin type, Chris Bosh type and maybe a Kevin Love type. The others won't work as well next to either JV and the rest of our line-up. For our stash and dash whomever the best foreign player is left on the board for the pick without considering position.

No Deyonta Davis? I think he belongs in the Amir type with better upside.

[deeps6x]

Furkan Korkmaz ended his season in Euroleague, so lets look how he did :

2.7 points per game, 0.9 rebounds per game, 0.5 assists per game, 8:49 minutes per game.

Per 36 minutes :

11.4 points, 3.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.8 blocks

percentages :

39.1 FG%, 42.3 3PT%, 57.1 FT%, 52 TS%

Advanced stats :

7.9 PER, 1.1 PPS, 16.1 USG%, 6.5 TRB%, ORtg 103.6, DRtg 113.4.

accumulated stats :

+/- +36 (6th highest on team), 27 PIR

This is why Korkmaz is NOT on my list. You are trying to extrapolate something out of 2.7 ppg. 3pt% looks good. Too bad he can't hit one per game.

[mademan]

Furkan Korkmaz ended his season in Euroleague, so lets look how he did :

2.7 points per game, 0.9 rebounds per game, 0.5 assists per game, 8:49 minutes per game.

Per 36 minutes :

11.4 points, 3.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.8 blocks

percentages :

39.1 FG%, 42.3 3PT%, 57.1 FT%, 52 TS%

Advanced stats :

7.9 PER, 1.1 PPS, 16.1 USG%, 6.5 TRB%, ORtg 103.6, DRtg 113.4.

accumulated stats :

+/- +36 (6th highest on team), 27 PIR

This is why Korkmaz is NOT on my list. You are trying to extrapolate something out of 2.7 ppg. 3pt% looks good. Too bad he can't hit one per game.

He played 8 mpg. We're not drafting him because of his stats, everyone knows he's a deadeye shooter. We'd be drafting him because of his skillset, and id be on board with it. He's got a lot of Ginobili to his game

[deeps6x]

I'm a Chriss fan because I saw him and my first thought was a less polished Aaron Gordon with shot blocking ability but I wonder if Masai might be gunshy of a 6'9-ish freak athlete jump shooting big after just witnessing Bennett's struggles firsthand.

Hear me out on this. Even if you grant that Chriss is the superior athlete to Bennett (and he is) AB was no slouch and was blessed with freakishly long arms. More importantly, Bennett dominated UNLV with a nice mix of inside and out play and despite tremendous opportunities in 3 different situations hasn't been able to even carve out a reliable bench role yet.

There's so far only been one Blake Griffin-type that's made that size and athleticism and shooting skill work at the level everyone hoped and that's Blake Griffin himself. Derrick Williams couldn't do it either. Aaron Gordon might be the most promising of these types and is one of the best athletes ever seen of these types but it's even difficult to see the path toward him becoming a top 15 2-way PF at the moment to me, barring some extremely rare growth. Not too long ago we had Ed Davis. He had NBA pedigree. Came from UNC. Was well-coached there and won. Had tremendous NBA athleticism and motor but he's still basically been an energy big off the bench in his career. Hump was built like a linebacker and had some impressive finesse skill for such a bruiser. The NBA PF position is loaded with enough talented and still reasonably young 2-way vets that it's becoming increasingly hard for raw PFs without one or two NBA-ready elite skills and high bball IQ on the defensive end to make their mark. You can get guys like Hansbrough or Hump for cheap year after year. It makes me less excited about the path for guys like Chriss that need a lot of work if they also don't have a length advantage in addition to the athleticism.

I have faith in Masai though. If he picked Chriss I'd feel good about the path they imagine for him but after the failed Bennett experiment I can't help but wonder if he might be a little gunshy when looking at a kid like this in an open gym who looks even less refined than Bennett did with similar (or worse) length. Chriss is probably 2 years away from being two years away from truly challenging vet PFs in this league for a starting spot and that's IF all goes well for him.

I agree. Chriss has some intriguing abilities, and even more, you nailed it on Blake Griffin. It is amazingly hard for a big man to have skill in so many areas of the game AND have to motor to use them all game long. When I look at Chriss, I definitely see the motor, but I don't see any category where he has top level skills. Even Skal can at least claim to have all-star level blocking ability (1 top notch skill). Chriss? Maybe his 1 skill will be the ability to shoot the 3. All of the rest will have to be developed by whatever team selects him. Can they turn him into the next Griffin? Possibly. Statistically unlikely though. Blake was born gifted. College and the NBA just refined those skills.

I'd honestly feel better about Deyonta Davis as our pick if we used the DEN pick on a PF. Davis can already claim to have all-star level blocking ability AND all-star level D. His mid range jumper looks at least as good as Skal's. His frame is perfect for adding muscle. And to top it off, he is already 6'10".

And all that said, if Valentine is still there when we pick (for some crazy reason) then Masai would be a fool not to pick him. He is already better than Ross and Joseph. He could be Lowry's replacement in short order as well. While Davis/Chriss/Johnson/Skal/Rabb/Ellenson/Sabonis (take your pick) will at best be our backup PF next season (and more likely third string PF if we bring back Thompson cheap), and they definitely won't be better than 2Pat is now, even in their second season. Yes, PF is a position of need, but as lots of people have pointed out, it is a saturated position in the league. The dozen or so PFs that will be selected in this draft will be displacing some other established PFs. It should be easy to keep picking up cheap but decent PFs for a few years to come. Realistically, that is probably the way to go, as shooting talent is what gets you to the finals these days. We shouldn't pass on any shooting talent for a PF. I'd take Buddy Hield as well over any PF outside of the top 3 in the draft as well.

But I'm sure every other GM sees it this way as well, so I do actually expect that our first pick will be a PF. I'll leave it up to Masai to decide which is the best or holds the most promise, but in my book, I'd rank them like this:

Davis
Sabonis Rabb (tied)
Chriss
Johnson
Skal
Ellenson

Maybe others (Masai included) will see it differently, but I'd really have to see Hield, Valentine, and Murray gone before I'd be thinking that a PF or Luawau should be our first pick. And even then, I'd like Davis, Rabb or Sabonis more than Luwawu. Currently there are fewer flaws in the three PFs than in Luwawu.

Just no to Brown, Thon and Skal. Consider those guys at 27.

[Risk101]

I remember when Damien Inglis was all the rage in this thread a couple of years back. He's been extremely underwhelming. OG sort of reminds me of him but if Masai feels he's worth it who am I to critize. He's been spot on with his drafts.

[S.W.A.N]

I'm a Chriss fan because I saw him and my first thought was a less polished Aaron Gordon with shot blocking ability but I wonder if Masai might be gunshy of a 6'9-ish freak athlete jump shooting big after just witnessing Bennett's struggles firsthand.

Hear me out on this. Even if you grant that Chriss is the superior athlete to Bennett (and he is) AB was no slouch and was blessed with freakishly long arms. More importantly, Bennett dominated UNLV with a nice mix of inside and out play and despite tremendous opportunities in 3 different situations hasn't been able to even carve out a reliable bench role yet.

There's so far only been one Blake Griffin-type that's made that size and athleticism and shooting skill work at the level everyone hoped and that's Blake Griffin himself. Derrick Williams couldn't do it either. Aaron Gordon might be the most promising of these types and is one of the best athletes ever seen of these types but it's even difficult to see the path toward him becoming a top 15 2-way PF at the moment to me, barring some extremely rare growth. Not too long ago we had Ed Davis. He had NBA pedigree. Came from UNC. Was well-coached there and won. Had tremendous NBA athleticism and motor but he's still basically been an energy big off the bench in his career. Hump was built like a linebacker and had some impressive finesse skill for such a bruiser. The NBA PF position is loaded with enough talented and still reasonably young 2-way vets that it's becoming increasingly hard for raw PFs without one or two NBA-ready elite skills and high bball IQ on the defensive end to make their mark. You can get guys like Hansbrough or Hump for cheap year after year. It makes me less excited about the path for guys like Chriss that need a lot of work if they also don't have a length advantage in addition to the athleticism.

I have faith in Masai though. If he picked Chriss I'd feel good about the path they imagine for him but after the failed Bennett experiment I can't help but wonder if he might be a little gunshy when looking at a kid like this in an open gym who looks even less refined than Bennett did with similar (or worse) length. Chriss is probably 2 years away from being two years away from truly challenging vet PFs in this league for a starting spot and that's IF all goes well for him.

I agree. Chriss has some intriguing abilities, and even more, you nailed it on Blake Griffin. It is amazingly hard for a big man to have skill in so many areas of the game AND have to motor to use them all game long. When I look at Chriss, I definitely see the motor, but I don't see any category where he has top level skills. Even Skal can at least claim to have all-star level blocking ability (1 top notch skill). Chriss? Maybe his 1 skill will be the ability to shoot the 3. All of the rest will have to be developed by whatever team selects him. Can they turn him into the next Griffin? Possibly. Statistically unlikely though. Blake was born gifted. College and the NBA just refined those skills.

I'd honestly feel better about Deyonta Davis as our pick if we used the DEN pick on a PF. Davis can already claim to have all-star level blocking ability AND all-star level D. His mid range jumper looks at least as good as Skal's. His frame is perfect for adding muscle. And to top it off, he is already 6'10".

And all that said, if Valentine is still there when we pick (for some crazy reason) then Masai would be a fool not to pick him. He is already better than Ross and Joseph. He could be Lowry's replacement in short order as well.

Just no to Brown, Thon and Skal. Consider those guys at 27.

Crazy talk.
Over hyping guys like this is silly. Better than Ross or Joseph, zero chance. Maybe higher upside, because of his passing but right now both guys in question can defend at the nba level. Something we can only guess about Valentine.

[notsla refar]

I'd honestly feel better about Deyonta Davis as our pick if we used the DEN pick on a PF. Davis can already claim to have all-star level blocking ability AND all-star level D. His mid range jumper looks at least as good as Skal's. His frame is perfect for adding muscle. And to top it off, he is already 6'10".

Yep, I think Deyonta Davis has the tools to be exactly what we need at PF, especially if we lose Biz this offseason. I like him the most for us out of all the PF prospects, actually.

[UnderdogRaptors]

Draft sabonis

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Bucks winning

[CunningLinguist]

Draft sabonis

Two pages ago it was Thon Maker or bust? What happened in the last 24 hours?

[UnderdogRaptors]

Draft sabonis

Two pages ago it was Thon Maker or bust? What happened in the last 24 hours?

[Morse Code]

I remember when Damien Inglis was all the rage in this thread a couple of years back. He's been extremely underwhelming. OG sort of reminds me of him but if Masai feels he's worth it who am I to critize. He's been spot on with his drafts.

Except Inglis (who I'll admit I was really high on) had much less exposure, and OG is a straight up lock down defender. I know ppl say that too often, but OG has as much potential to be a stopper as anyone in the league right now.

[vaff87]

To me, Marquese Chriss seems like the most talented guy that should be available when we pick.

[DG88]

Bucks winning and Nuggets losing. Beat Knicks for the THANK trifecta.