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Re: RE: Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#301 » by ForeverTFC » Wed May 17, 2017 1:52 am

Jermaine OBosh wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
SalamiNCheez wrote:
Those Bargnani and Ross picks were great


Colangelo's Draft Record:

1995 - Michael Finley (21st)
1996 - Steve Nash (15th)
1997 - Stephen Jackson (42nd), No first round pick
1998 - No first round pick pick
1999 - Shawn Marion (9th)
2000 - Jake Tsakalidis (25th)
2001 - No first round pick
2002 - Amar'e Stoudemire (9th)
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa (17th)
2004 - Luol Deng (7th)
2005 - Nate Robinson (21st), Gorat in the 2nd round
2006 - Andrea Bargnani (1st)
2007 - No pick
2008 - JO Trade (Turned out to be Roy Hibbert)
2009 - Demar DeRozan (9th)
2010 - Ed Davis (13th)
2011 - Jonas Valanciunas (5th)
2012 - Terrence Ross (8th)

Say what you will about him, but he has a pretty damn good track record at the draft.

There was no can't miss talent in the 2006 draft. Colangelo himself said Roy would win ROY but the team was worried about his health, and we already had Bosh, so LMA was kind of redundant. The Ross pick is widely attributed to Casey. Colagenlo wanted Barnes but we missed it due to Casey, Stankface, Ben Uzoh and the subsequent coin flip.


If you are tanking, then you should make your coach aware of it and tell him you are not going to loose your job.


It was Casey's first year, before the Lowry drama. His job was very safe.
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Re: RE: Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#302 » by MavCarter » Wed May 17, 2017 1:53 am

SalamiNCheez wrote:
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Those Bargnani and Ross picks were great


Yes just ignore the other really good players he's taken in the lottery lol. No one bats 1.000 with draft picks


You mean the picks daddy made for him while he was with the Suns? We haven't seen him do anything great on his own.


Funny that this is coming from a dude with a demar avi :lol:
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#303 » by RaptorsLife » Wed May 17, 2017 1:53 am

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Re: RE: Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#304 » by Spicy P » Wed May 17, 2017 1:56 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
SalamiNCheez wrote:
McGregFan wrote:
BC is actually decent at drafting in the lottery


Those Bargnani and Ross picks were great


Colangelo's Draft Record:

1995 - Michael Finley (21st)
1996 - Steve Nash (15th)
1997 - Stephen Jackson (42nd), No first round pick
1998 - No first round pick pick
1999 - Shawn Marion (9th)
2000 - Jake Tsakalidis (25th)
2001 - No first round pick
2002 - Amar'e Stoudemire (9th)
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa (17th)
2004 - Luol Deng (7th)
2005 - Nate Robinson (21st), Gorat in the 2nd round
2006 - Andrea Bargnani (1st)
2007 - No pick
2008 - JO Trade (Turned out to be Roy Hibbert)
2009 - Demar DeRozan (9th)
2010 - Ed Davis (13th)
2011 - Jonas Valanciunas (5th)
2012 - Terrence Ross (8th)

Say what you will about him, but he has a pretty damn good track record at the draft.

There was no can't miss talent in the 2006 draft. Colangelo himself said Roy would win ROY but the team was worried about his health, and we already had Bosh, so LMA was kind of redundant. The Ross pick is widely attributed to Casey. Colagenlo wanted Barnes but we missed it due to Casey, Stankface, Ben Uzoh and the subsequent coin flip.


He ditched Finley, Nash and Jackson almost as fast as he drafted them. Deng, Robinson, Gortat and Hibbert aren't his picks. He drafted those guys for the Bulls, Knicks, Magic and Pacers when he traded those picks on draft night.
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#305 » by iqbalpanchod » Wed May 17, 2017 1:56 am

It's not written picks can still bust. We need to compete now before the sixers and Celtics boom however. Trade for top end talent and go into the tax. We need to lessen the future and be more top heavy. Trading for Anthony and Howard is the easiest option. Add more dynamic game changing talent and draft for role players in the second round and develop them into great role players. Get playoff experience and use that against inexperienced teams. Continuity is the best chance at a championship. Ownership can afford the tax.

Howard/Poeltl
Anthony/Siakim
Ojeleye/Bruno
DeRozan/Powell
Lowry/Wright

Four borderline stars in lesser roles sharing the ball. Add in our talent we've been developing. Bebe, poeltl, Bruno, Siakim, Wright, and Powell off the bench. You get depth, top heavy talent, and the only downside is tax. It's not our money so screw it. One last stand before tanking. This is absolutely the time to compete. The east is stacking up a lot of talent for the future. Get stars on the cheap now!

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Re: RE: Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#306 » by Jermaine OBosh » Wed May 17, 2017 1:56 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
Jermaine OBosh wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
Colangelo's Draft Record:

1995 - Michael Finley (21st)
1996 - Steve Nash (15th)
1997 - Stephen Jackson (42nd), No first round pick
1998 - No first round pick pick
1999 - Shawn Marion (9th)
2000 - Jake Tsakalidis (25th)
2001 - No first round pick
2002 - Amar'e Stoudemire (9th)
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa (17th)
2004 - Luol Deng (7th)
2005 - Nate Robinson (21st), Gorat in the 2nd round
2006 - Andrea Bargnani (1st)
2007 - No pick
2008 - JO Trade (Turned out to be Roy Hibbert)
2009 - Demar DeRozan (9th)
2010 - Ed Davis (13th)
2011 - Jonas Valanciunas (5th)
2012 - Terrence Ross (8th)

Say what you will about him, but he has a pretty damn good track record at the draft.

There was no can't miss talent in the 2006 draft. Colangelo himself said Roy would win ROY but the team was worried about his health, and we already had Bosh, so LMA was kind of redundant. The Ross pick is widely attributed to Casey. Colagenlo wanted Barnes but we missed it due to Casey, Stankface, Ben Uzoh and the subsequent coin flip.


If you are tanking, then you should make your coach aware of it and tell him you are not going to loose your job.


It was Casey's first year, before the Lowry drama. His job was very safe.


“Admittedly, I will say I tried to tank a couple of years ago,” Colangelo said as part of a panel discussing the NBA’s flawed draft lottery system

“I didn’t come out and say, ‘Coach you have to lose games.’ I wanted him to establish a winning tradition and culture, but I wanted him to do it in the framework of playing and developing young players.”

Colangelo was referring to the lockout-shortened 2011-12 campaign, Dwane Casey’s first as head coach. That year, Toronto fielded the least talented roster of Colangelo’s tenure and five of the eight leaders in minutes played were 24 years of age or younger (DeMar DeRozan led the team in minutes as a 22-year-old).


http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/28/former-gm-colangelo-admits-to-trying-to-tank-with-raptors
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#307 » by RaptorsLife » Wed May 17, 2017 3:12 am

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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#308 » by Dr Positivity » Wed May 17, 2017 3:17 am

Ford has us taking Bam. Doesn't feel like a Masai pick to me
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Post#309 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 17, 2017 3:28 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Ford has us taking Bam. Doesn't feel like a Masai pick to me

Isn't he baby Dwight Howard wouldn't be a bad pick
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#310 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed May 17, 2017 3:32 am

RaptorsLife wrote:25 year old lol
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Post#311 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Wed May 17, 2017 3:39 am

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RaptorsLife wrote:25 year old lol
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I feel like we've wasted a lot of time on useless workouts over the past couple of years.


Is Jim Kelly still running workouts or something?
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#312 » by raptorstime » Wed May 17, 2017 3:45 am

this **** is so rigged
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#313 » by bboyskinnylegs » Wed May 17, 2017 4:11 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:25 year old lol
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I feel like we've wasted a lot of time on useless workouts over the past couple of years.


Is Jim Kelly still running workouts or something?

I think Jim was part of the initial purge (or was it the second one?) after Masai took over
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#314 » by CoachJReturns » Wed May 17, 2017 4:12 am

raptorstime wrote:this **** is so rigged

Honestly the Celtics deserved the number 1 pick. Ainge pulled off a masterful trade to bring in this pick. He made exactly the right decision trading guys who are hall of famers for future draft picks and it worked out. Also, the Celtics missed out on Tim Duncan by one friggin pick. They deserve a little good luck after that. And nobody should say the championship was there luck. That was just fantastic management taking advantage of an opportunity.
With all the times the Cavs won the first pick, I'm totally fine with Ainge getting one.

As for our beloved Raptors...The treadmill will continue until Masai is gone. So like a decade more basically.
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#315 » by Childs » Wed May 17, 2017 4:22 am

iqbalpanchod wrote:It's not written picks can still bust. We need to compete now before the sixers and Celtics boom however. Trade for top end talent and go into the tax. We need to lessen the future and be more top heavy. Trading for Anthony and Howard is the easiest option. Add more dynamic game changing talent and draft for role players in the second round and develop them into great role players. Get playoff experience and use that against inexperienced teams. Continuity is the best chance at a championship. Ownership can afford the tax.

Howard/Poeltl
Anthony/Siakim
Ojeleye/Bruno
DeRozan/Powell
Lowry/Wright

Four borderline stars in lesser roles sharing the ball. Add in our talent we've been developing. Bebe, poeltl, Bruno, Siakim, Wright, and Powell off the bench. You get depth, top heavy talent, and the only downside is tax. It's not our money so screw it. One last stand before tanking. This is absolutely the time to compete. The east is stacking up a lot of talent for the future. Get stars on the cheap now!

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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#316 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed May 17, 2017 4:37 am

CoachJReturns wrote:
raptorstime wrote:this **** is so rigged

Honestly the Celtics deserved the number 1 pick. Ainge pulled off a masterful trade to bring in this pick. He made exactly the right decision trading guys who are hall of famers for future draft picks and it worked out. Also, the Celtics missed out on Tim Duncan by one friggin pick. They deserve a little good luck after that. And nobody should say the championship was there luck. That was just fantastic management taking advantage of an opportunity.
With all the times the Cavs won the first pick, I'm totally fine with Ainge getting one.

As for our beloved Raptors...The treadmill will continue until Masai is gone. So like a decade more basically.


Who are you hiring to replace Masai?
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#317 » by Asif16 » Wed May 17, 2017 5:12 am

I dont think we gonna keep the pick tbh. My gut says Masai gonna pull a significant trade either before or on draft day and pick will be involved.

If not, then i like this Tyler Lydon kid. Can Shoot, has Athletism and Mobile. These are the guys we need to be targeting.
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Post#318 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 17, 2017 5:17 am

Asif16 wrote:I dont think we gonna keep the pick tbh. My gut says Masai gonna pull a significant trade either before or on draft day and pick will be involved.

If not, then i like this Tyler Lydon kid. Can Shoot, has Athletism and Mobile. These are the guys we need to be targeting.

I'm the opposite, I feel like he's a bust waiting to happen. Has no focus. Feels like Bargs 2.0 to me.
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Post#319 » by Asif16 » Wed May 17, 2017 5:30 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Asif16 wrote:I dont think we gonna keep the pick tbh. My gut says Masai gonna pull a significant trade either before or on draft day and pick will be involved.

If not, then i like this Tyler Lydon kid. Can Shoot, has Athletism and Mobile. These are the guys we need to be targeting.

I'm the opposite, I feel like he's a bust waiting to happen. Has no focus. Feels like Bargs 2.0 to me.


You could be right. After the cleveland sweep, I've just grown the desire to acquire shooters and more shooters. I feel like the way the NBA is headed right now, picking players who hustle, rebound and defend just wont get it done unless they can shoot.

I guess as a big man its fine, but choosing a guard who can't shoot or is average shooting is a huge no-go for me now a days.
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Re: Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23) 

Post#320 » by navyblue » Wed May 17, 2017 5:36 am

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RaptorsLife wrote:25 year old lol
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I feel like we've wasted a lot of time on useless workouts over the past couple of years.

Sometimes they are just fillers to match up in a 3 on 3 /2on2 workouts.

Other times it's a favor for an agent to keep a players name in the news. Or that they come in a package, go to workouts in a group.

There is always more than just a team is interested in a player and thus working them out.

Now with g league, 2 way contracts, teams will be looking at more players to fill up rosters.

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