Can we please talk about what Adrian griffin ex has excused of him

[Denisaur9]

Unfortunately we live in a society in North America that women can and will say anything true or not and courts will give them the benefit of the doubt, very rarely do police charge women for false accusations even though complete slander has occured.

Ruins alot of of lives for the sake of "winning" custody or additional child support or alimony.

Saddest part is for every women that cries wolf it only hurts the next person who may actually be abused.

I'm not saying this didn't happen, it's highly rare that a person who suffered from abuse or was victimized is this vocal and blatantly trying to ruin someone's big moment.

Please don't always believe what you hear there is always 2 sides to every storey and you don't know people's motives.

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[Raps in 4]

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Yikes..."support the process as he and his former partner settle these matters" Did they miss the part of the allegation about banging teenage ball girls and choking people?

That's just a bizarre PR choice from an org that is usually really savvy. All they needed to say was that they are investigating the claims...etc.

They aren't investigating the claims though because they aren't the police. If the ex-wife filed criminal charges, they'd likely suspend or fire Griffin. But since there isn't an active criminal case against him, the Raptors won't do anything.

[OGLife]

Is she suing him for spousal abuse or is this just a family court matter?

Y'all saying civil but family law isn't civil.

[DG88]

Expected response from Griffin and the Raptors. This is a civil matter between Adrian Griffin and his ex-wife. Clearly there is animosity brewing as this case has gone for 5 years now. Anyone saying that the Raptors need to either suspend or fire Griffin, needs to read up on workplace investigations. The organization has no right to investigate a personal matter as it would be discriminatory. Unless his wife was an employee of the Raptors and it was brought to HR/People and Culture, then they would have every right to do an investigation.

Based on the current evidence out there right now (twitter) the only thing we can say is that Mr and Mrs. Griffin filed for divorce 5 years ago. Child support and alimony have been discussed in the civil suit. She has gone on twitter to vent about Mr. Griffin as a narcissists, abuser and not providing child support.

Imo she's making this public to speed up the process of the divorce. No one can say whether what she's saying is true, only Mr. and Mrs. Griffin can in a court of law.

Nothing "speeds up" any legal proceedings only laws that requires things to be conducted on certain timelines.

Sure but that's not always the case. People can wait to send documents for quite some time until further action can be made in the proceedings. Unless they get their lawyers involved. By using twitter and tagging all Toronto media and the Raptors she's trying to put Mr. Griffin on the hot seat. Look what it's done on this forum. We have a 13 page thread on this already!

[DG88]

Is she suing him for spousal abuse or is this just a family court matter?

Y'all saying civil but family law isn't civil.

First it's to complete the divorce filing, now she's making allegations that would warrant a civil suit.

[OGLife]

Expected response from Griffin and the Raptors. This is a civil matter between Adrian Griffin and his ex-wife. Clearly there is animosity brewing as this case has gone for 5 years now. Anyone saying that the Raptors need to either suspend or fire Griffin, needs to read up on workplace investigations. The organization has no right to investigate a personal matter as it would be discriminatory. Unless his wife was an employee of the Raptors and it was brought to HR/People and Culture, then they would have every right to do an investigation.

Based on the current evidence out there right now (twitter) the only thing we can say is that Mr and Mrs. Griffin filed for divorce 5 years ago. Child support and alimony have been discussed in the civil suit. She has gone on twitter to vent about Mr. Griffin as a narcissists, abuser and not providing child support.

Imo she's making this public to speed up the process of the divorce. No one can say whether what she's saying is true, only Mr. and Mrs. Griffin can in a court of law.

Nothing "speeds up" any legal proceedings only laws that requires things to be conducted on certain timelines.

Sure but that's not always the case. People can wait to send documents for quite some time until further action can be made in the proceedings. Unless they get their lawyers involved. By using twitter and tagging all Toronto media and the Raptors she's trying to put Mr. Griffin on the hot seat. Look what it's done on this forum. We have a 13 page thread on this already!

Actually, no.

If this is a civil suit. A Plaintiff's lawyer would want to make this known to the public in order to get the media to create a basis for potential jury members. It's a tactic to manipulate the jury. A defence lawyer can make a motion to the court to make it a publication ban.

If this is solely a family law matter then this has no matter to the issues at hand (child support and alimony). These 2 things are typically based on earnings. We need to first understand if he has never made any payments or if he's missed payments when and why.

[RalphWiggum]

If these accusations are even remotely accurate he has to go.

[Dennis 37]

Unfortunately we live in a society in North America that women can and will say anything true or not and courts will give them the benefit of the doubt, very rarely do police charge women for false accusations even though complete slander has occured.

Ruins alot of of lives for the sake of "winning" custody or additional child support or alimony.

Saddest part is for every women that cries wolf it only hurts the next person who may actually be abused.

I'm not saying this didn't happen, it's highly rare that a person who suffered from abuse or was victimized is this vocal and blatantly trying to ruin someone's big moment.

Please don't always believe what you hear there is always 2 sides to every storey and you don't know people's motives.

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The problem is the most sincere looking person can be the one who is lying, and the most messed up illogical one, who mixes up facts and gets her dates and locations wrong, could be very well telling the truth.

I look at motive and history.

Does the victim have motive that exceeds just bringing someone to justice or protecting herself? Is there money in it for her? (not including child support which her children would get regardless)

Then I would look at history. Does the victim have a history of bringing false accusations against others? Has she committed fraud? Did she cheat on university exams? Did she falsify a resume? Does she lie?

If it cannot be proven that there is a motive for fabricating the story, and the victim has no history of lying, the odds are she is telling the truth.

[DG88]

Nothing "speeds up" any legal proceedings only laws that requires things to be conducted on certain timelines.

Sure but that's not always the case. People can wait to send documents for quite some time until further action can be made in the proceedings. Unless they get their lawyers involved. By using twitter and tagging all Toronto media and the Raptors she's trying to put Mr. Griffin on the hot seat. Look what it's done on this forum. We have a 13 page thread on this already!

Actually, no.

If this is a civil suit. A Plaintiff's lawyer would want to make this known to the public in order to get the media to create a basis for potential jury members. It's a tactic to manipulate the jury. A defence lawyer can make a motion to the court to make it a publication ban.

If this is solely a family law matter then this has no matter to the issues at hand (child support and alimony). These 2 things are typically based on earnings. We need to first understand if he has never made any payments or if he's missed payments when and why.

Let me add some clarification. I'm looking at it from the divorce filing. Her bring out the accusation is to start a civil suit is to put pressure on AG to move forward with whatever he isn't doing.

[OGLife]

Sure but that's not always the case. People can wait to send documents for quite some time until further action can be made in the proceedings. Unless they get their lawyers involved. By using twitter and tagging all Toronto media and the Raptors she's trying to put Mr. Griffin on the hot seat. Look what it's done on this forum. We have a 13 page thread on this already!

Actually, no.

If this is a civil suit. A Plaintiff's lawyer would want to make this known to the public in order to get the media to create a basis for potential jury members. It's a tactic to manipulate the jury. A defence lawyer can make a motion to the court to make it a publication ban.

If this is solely a family law matter then this has no matter to the issues at hand (child support and alimony). These 2 things are typically based on earnings. We need to first understand if he has never made any payments or if he's missed payments when and why.

Let me add some clarification. I'm looking at it from the divorce filing. Her bring out the accusation is to start a civil suit is to put pressure on AG to move forward with whatever he isn't doing.

But I question if he can legally sue him. She had this family law matter start 5 years ago.

She would have 2 years to sue him. 2 years from the incident being reported(police, doctors, etc.) or if she's lucky, 2 years she was aware of a potential suit could be made. It will be very difficult claiming she was only made aware now that she can pursue a civil case against him.

Neither of those apply to her.

[TheRealDeal]

Thread title should be "Can we please not talk about what Adrian griffin ex has excused of him until there's an investigation with actual facts and evidence"

[simmons21]

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Yikes..."support the process as he and his former partner settle these matters" Did they miss the part of the allegation about banging teenage ball girls and choking people?

That's just a bizarre PR choice from an org that is usually really savvy. All they needed to say was that they are investigating the claims...etc.

They aren't investigating the claims though because they aren't the police. If the ex-wife filed criminal charges, they'd likely suspend or fire Griffin. But since there isn't an active criminal case against him, the Raptors won't do anything.

OK fine don't call it an investigation, but when part of the allegations involves "teenage ball girls" maybe slow your roll on calling this merely a domestic issue. Sounds like something the league should be a tiny bit concerned/looking into.

This is an entertainment product, Griff is part of that product and his conduct off the court can negatively influence the organization. They have a right to say "look we are going to take some time on this." They didn't have to/shouldn't have immediately said "oh that's an issue between those two, doesn't involve us (wipes hands)."

Just a bad press release IMO.

[witnessraps]

Divorce is an ugly thing, feel horrible for those children. Hopefully Adrian did not do any of these things...

[yodamaster]

Without full view of facts, anything any of us say will be a mere conjecture.

As far as Adrian Griffin is concerned, he should be filing a restraining order against his ex. Twitter bashing is still very much a form of abuse and harassment that fall under its scope.

[Westside Gunn]

So some woman most likely in her 40s is using twitter to discuss such a serious matter. What a genius.

Call the police instead of clicking on twitter. The problem is calling the police wouldn't bring her THIS much attention to her twitter page, specially after her ex got all the attention after winning the game.

[refshateRaps]

Poor kids man.

[tecumseh18]

Actually, no.

If this is a civil suit. A Plaintiff's lawyer would want to make this known to the public in order to get the media to create a basis for potential jury members. It's a tactic to manipulate the jury. A defence lawyer can make a motion to the court to make it a publication ban.

If this is solely a family law matter then this has no matter to the issues at hand (child support and alimony). These 2 things are typically based on earnings. We need to first understand if he has never made any payments or if he's missed payments when and why.

Let me add some clarification. I'm looking at it from the divorce filing. Her bring out the accusation is to start a civil suit is to put pressure on AG to move forward with whatever he isn't doing.

But I question if he can legally sue him. She had this family law matter start 5 years ago.

She would have 2 years to sue him. 2 years from the incident being reported(police, doctors, etc.) or if she's lucky, 2 years she was aware of a potential suit could be made. It will be very difficult claiming she was only made aware now that she can pursue a civil case against him.

Neither of those apply to her.

Well, two years from becoming aware of a potential claim for damages is the law of Ontario. We don't know the limitation period for whatever jurisdiction she would sue in is. But, yeah it's unlikely that she plans to bring a civil suit That's irrelevant to her family law objective here.

As I suggested on the first page of this thread, she expects AG to secure a lucrative coaching position next season, and will shut up only after he pays whatever alimony she demands. I'm not saying AG is squeaky clean. But when lawyers (and potentially lots of money) are involved, these situations tend to be messy. Any moral judgments by us would be premature.

[GooniesNeverDie]

Some crazy takes on both sides. Let's just hope the truth comes to light quickly and the appropriate action is taken. Always terrible to hear these things.

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[rapsdontlie]

Maybe I'm being insensitive here, but I really hope the Raps organization just wait til the off-season to deal with this.

I mean... Jeez... Right before the playoffs we get this distraction?

I just hope no "outside organization" (who care nothing about basketball) gets a hold of this story and starts to pressure the Raps to make some tough decisions. The playoffs start in a few days, this can certainly wait til the off-season.

[Double Bubble]

I love threads like this