2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[RedVanVleet]

I posted this in another thread so I'm sorry for posting it again here. But IF we draft cade, there is no reason to have both Lowry and FVV. Hard to imagine Cade off the bench and you cannot have $20 million off the bench. So the two options are to attempt to s&t Lowry (otherwise let him walk), or trade FVV for a non guard. Seems like overkill on guards especially with GTJ and Flynn...

What option is best? Assuming there isn't much on the sign and trade front, would you rather resign Kyle and look to trade FVV to maximize overall return? I think this will be an important question if we do indeed get lucky with Cade. It might even become a question if we draft Suggs as well.

For example I think the Bulls could be interested in listening to offers including Pat Williams. Maybe im crazy but if they are disparate to get into playoffs / resign Lavine they might like a FVV Lavine backcourt. I think Williams was rushed into the starting lineup and would benefit from being behind OG and Siakam for at least a season. Lets get the last push with Kyle for a couple more years and eventually when Lowry either moves to the bench or moves on you can go huge by substituting in Williams and have OG at the 2... Imagine the shortest guy being 6'7 haha. Also don't come at me with the P William trade it is not the point of the post it's just an example of a young Forward we can target with a FVV trade.

The next couple years with a group of

Lowry / flynn
Cunningham / gtj
Og / Williams
Siakam
Birch

Assuming the Raps end up with Cade, would you be open to the idea of trading him for a win-now star? For instance:

Jaylen Brown for Cade + Hood (salary filler)

I mean, the Raps already got a core of battle-hardened players in Lowry, FVV, OG, Siakam, Trent. All these guys but Lowry would share the same time window with Brown. Could you see Ujiri opting for the quick rebuild?

Dream bigger my friend. If the raps are going to be in the promise land anytime soon the finals mvp will almost certainly have to be cade. Its a lot of pressure but you ride and die with him otherwise its probably not happening

[RedVanVleet]

I’m sure some will hate this idea but after seeing the Warriors get eliminated, I wonder if they feel more enticed to making a big move. 2 straight non playoff years during Curry’s prime is pretty tough to deal with

I don’t think the Warriors can afford to waste anymore years of Curry’s Mvp level basketball. I think they’ll be trying to make a big move to go all in next year and they don’t really have all the time in the world to develop Wiseman and whoever they get with the Wolves pick

Wiggins + Minny pick for Siakam? Probably would need some tweaking to get both sides to agree but I’d be open to something like this.

It would allow us to build around the OG/Trent/2 lotto picks timeline instead of the Siakam/Fred timeline

There’s some good convo here on the warriors Reddit page. There’s one post there that opened the discussion surrounding Siakam for Wiggins + pick and most fans seem to be open to it and maybe even include their own pick too
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/niaufz/3_moves_fo_should_make_this_offseason/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Can you imagine the warriors go back to back with Curry, Klay, Pascal as a big 3? Because I can. If all the raps get in return to make that come true is the #6 overall pick that is a historically bad trade. If we are going to gift wrap the warriors another chip or 2 they will have to start with minny pick, their own pick plus Wiseman... If its too much who cares they can kick rocks the raps do not in any way have to move on from Pascal.

[Bruin]

I’m sure some will hate this idea but after seeing the Warriors get eliminated, I wonder if they feel more enticed to making a big move. 2 straight non playoff years during Curry’s prime is pretty tough to deal with

I don’t think the Warriors can afford to waste anymore years of Curry’s Mvp level basketball. I think they’ll be trying to make a big move to go all in next year and they don’t really have all the time in the world to develop Wiseman and whoever they get with the Wolves pick

Wiggins + Minny pick for Siakam? Probably would need some tweaking to get both sides to agree but I’d be open to something like this.

It would allow us to build around the OG/Trent/2 lotto picks timeline instead of the Siakam/Fred timeline

There’s some good convo here on the warriors Reddit page. There’s one post there that opened the discussion surrounding Siakam for Wiggins + pick and most fans seem to be open to it and maybe even include their own pick too
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/niaufz/3_moves_fo_should_make_this_offseason/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Can you imagine the warriors go back to back with Curry, Klay, Pascal as a big 3? Because I can. If all the raps get in return to make that come true is the #6 overall pick that is a historically bad trade. If we are going to gift wrap the warriors another chip or 2 they will have to start with minny pick, their own pick plus Wiseman... If its too much who cares they can kick rocks the raps do not in any way have to move on from Pascal.

Well yea I’d probably do it only if the pick ends up in 4th as it would guarantee one of Green, Mobley, or Suggs

Maybe the Warriors own pick or Wiseman too. No way we’d get both

Wiggins + 4 + 14 I’d definitely do. Would use the 14th to get Giddey, Sengun, or Mann

[flaco]

I posted this in another thread so I'm sorry for posting it again here. But IF we draft cade, there is no reason to have both Lowry and FVV. Hard to imagine Cade off the bench and you cannot have $20 million off the bench. So the two options are to attempt to s&t Lowry (otherwise let him walk), or trade FVV for a non guard. Seems like overkill on guards especially with GTJ and Flynn...

What option is best? Assuming there isn't much on the sign and trade front, would you rather resign Kyle and look to trade FVV to maximize overall return? I think this will be an important question if we do indeed get lucky with Cade. It might even become a question if we draft Suggs as well.

For example I think the Bulls could be interested in listening to offers including Pat Williams. Maybe im crazy but if they are disparate to get into playoffs / resign Lavine they might like a FVV Lavine backcourt. I think Williams was rushed into the starting lineup and would benefit from being behind OG and Siakam for at least a season. Lets get the last push with Kyle for a couple more years and eventually when Lowry either moves to the bench or moves on you can go huge by substituting in Williams and have OG at the 2... Imagine the shortest guy being 6'7 haha. Also don't come at me with the P William trade it is not the point of the post it's just an example of a young Forward we can target with a FVV trade.

The next couple years with a group of

Lowry / flynn
Cunningham / gtj
Og / Williams
Siakam
Birch

Assuming the Raps end up with Cade, would you be open to the idea of trading him for a win-now star? For instance:

Jaylen Brown for Cade + Hood (salary filler)

I mean, the Raps already got a core of battle-hardened players in Lowry, FVV, OG, Siakam, Trent. All these guys but Lowry would share the same time window with Brown. Could you see Ujiri opting for the quick rebuild?

Dream bigger my friend. If the raps are going to be in the promise land anytime soon the finals mvp will almost certainly have to be cade. Its a lot of pressure but you ride and die with him otherwise its probably not happening

Agreed, but I'm not a Raps fan. I dream big for the Celtics.

Wouldn't do the trade from the Raps point of view either. I'd much rather have Cade over Brown. Was just curious whether you guys would be possibly interested in a quick rebuild.

[RedVanVleet]

I’m sure some will hate this idea but after seeing the Warriors get eliminated, I wonder if they feel more enticed to making a big move. 2 straight non playoff years during Curry’s prime is pretty tough to deal with

I don’t think the Warriors can afford to waste anymore years of Curry’s Mvp level basketball. I think they’ll be trying to make a big move to go all in next year and they don’t really have all the time in the world to develop Wiseman and whoever they get with the Wolves pick

Wiggins + Minny pick for Siakam? Probably would need some tweaking to get both sides to agree but I’d be open to something like this.

It would allow us to build around the OG/Trent/2 lotto picks timeline instead of the Siakam/Fred timeline

There’s some good convo here on the warriors Reddit page. There’s one post there that opened the discussion surrounding Siakam for Wiggins + pick and most fans seem to be open to it and maybe even include their own pick too
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/niaufz/3_moves_fo_should_make_this_offseason/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Can you imagine the warriors go back to back with Curry, Klay, Pascal as a big 3? Because I can. If all the raps get in return to make that come true is the #6 overall pick that is a historically bad trade. If we are going to gift wrap the warriors another chip or 2 they will have to start with minny pick, their own pick plus Wiseman... If its too much who cares they can kick rocks the raps do not in any way have to move on from Pascal.

Well yea I’d probably do it only if the pick ends up in 4th as it would guarantee one of Green, Mobley, or Suggs

Maybe the Warriors own pick or Wiseman too. No way we’d get both

Wiggins + 4 + 14 I’d definitely do. Would use the 14th to get Giddey, Sengun, or Mann

Yea fair enough.

Imagine being part of the warriors organization in any way? The owner, management, kerr, and curry already have such an amazing legacy. Doing what they did is crazy. Imagine they win again or even two more... That would be 4 or 5 in under a decade in the salary cap era. That's actually wild and probably will never happen again. That's why I think they might try and go crazy to make it happen. If you have the chance at having the greatest dynasty ever wouldn't you do everything you can? This is why in this scenario I would be asking a crazy return. There can't realistically be a much better offer from anyone else than pascal is there...

[Saul Goodman]

Step 1: win Cade. (or get top 5)

Step 2: Trade Chris Boucher. I love Chris and his story but he is just like Norman Powell as a prime piece about to get paid. Time to sell high.


To New York
Chris Boucher
GSW 2nd


To Toronto:
#19
#21


get Masai two more late 1sts to work his magic.



Step 3: Sign and Trade Kyle



to LAC:
Kyle Lowry 3 years 60 mill


to Toronto:
Pat Beverley (buyout)
Ivicia Zubac
rights to player picked #25
top 5 protected 2028 1st





opening day


Fred/Cade/OG/Pascal/Zubac

Flynn/Trent/#19/#21/#25/Gillespie/Jalen Harris



alot of youth to work with. Plop the later picks in the 905 and let them marinate.

[C-R-E-A-M-]

If we draft Cade or Suggs, trade FVV for Turner and resign Kyle to mentor

Pacers: FVV-Brogdan-Levert-Warren-Sabonis

Raptors: Lowry-Cade-OG-Siakam-Turner
Bench: Flynn-Trent Jr-Yuta-Boucher-Birch

[Bruin]

Step 1: win Cade. (or get top 5)

Step 2: Trade Chris Boucher. I love Chris and his story but he is just like Norman Powell as a prime piece about to get paid. Time to sell high.


To New York
Chris Boucher
GSW 2nd


To Toronto:
#19
#21


get Masai two more late 1sts to work his magic.



Step 3: Sign and Trade Kyle



to LAC:
Kyle Lowry 3 years 60 mill


to Toronto:
Pat Beverley (buyout)
Ivicia Zubac
rights to player picked #25
top 5 protected 2028 1st





opening day


Fred/Cade/OG/Pascal/Zubac

Flynn/Trent/#19/#21/#25/Gillespie/Jalen Harris



alot of youth to work with. Plop the later picks in the 905 and let them marinate.

If NY would do that deal I’d jump on that. I’d even add in the Grizzlies 2nd rounder too

[Zan Tabacco]

OG + Fred for Ingram

Who says no?

I just threw up in mouth. Wouldn't trade OG for Ingram straight up. Ingram will never lead a team anywhere.

[Zan Tabacco]

I posted this in another thread so I'm sorry for posting it again here. But IF we draft cade, there is no reason to have both Lowry and FVV. Hard to imagine Cade off the bench and you cannot have $20 million off the bench. So the two options are to attempt to s&t Lowry (otherwise let him walk), or trade FVV for a non guard. Seems like overkill on guards especially with GTJ and Flynn...

What option is best? Assuming there isn't much on the sign and trade front, would you rather resign Kyle and look to trade FVV to maximize overall return? I think this will be an important question if we do indeed get lucky with Cade. It might even become a question if we draft Suggs as well.

For example I think the Bulls could be interested in listening to offers including Pat Williams. Maybe im crazy but if they are disparate to get into playoffs / resign Lavine they might like a FVV Lavine backcourt. I think Williams was rushed into the starting lineup and would benefit from being behind OG and Siakam for at least a season. Lets get the last push with Kyle for a couple more years and eventually when Lowry either moves to the bench or moves on you can go huge by substituting in Williams and have OG at the 2... Imagine the shortest guy being 6'7 haha. Also don't come at me with the P William trade it is not the point of the post it's just an example of a young Forward we can target with a FVV trade.

The next couple years with a group of

Lowry / flynn
Cunningham / gtj
Og / Williams
Siakam
Birch

Assuming the Raps end up with Cade, would you be open to the idea of trading him for a win-now star? For instance:

Jaylen Brown for Cade + Hood (salary filler)

I mean, the Raps already got a core of battle-hardened players in Lowry, FVV, OG, Siakam, Trent. All these guys but Lowry would share the same time window with Brown. Could you see Ujiri opting for the quick rebuild?

I could only see the number one pick traded for SGA and only because he's from here. I love Brown though, maybe for the 3rd pick. Then again Suggs and Green have great upside too.

[Spida888]

Step 1: win Cade. (or get top 5)

Step 2: Trade Chris Boucher. I love Chris and his story but he is just like Norman Powell as a prime piece about to get paid. Time to sell high.


To New York
Chris Boucher
GSW 2nd


To Toronto:
#19
#21


get Masai two more late 1sts to work his magic.



Step 3: Sign and Trade Kyle



to LAC:
Kyle Lowry 3 years 60 mill


to Toronto:
Pat Beverley (buyout)
Ivicia Zubac
rights to player picked #25
top 5 protected 2028 1st





opening day


Fred/Cade/OG/Pascal/Zubac

Flynn/Trent/#19/#21/#25/Gillespie/Jalen Harris



alot of youth to work with. Plop the later picks in the 905 and let them marinate.

If NY would do that deal I’d jump on that. I’d even add in the Grizzlies 2nd rounder too

Yeah I don't think Boucher can net us 2 FRPs especially being an expiring. If he even get us #19 or #21, we should take it.

Obviously, if NY FO is willing to do that then I'd glady accept the offer. I think every time NY see Masai on call display, they probably get Bargnani flashbacks, and just doesn't answer lol.

[RedVanVleet]

If we draft Cade or Suggs, trade FVV for Turner and resign Kyle to mentor

Pacers: FVV-Brogdan-Levert-Warren-Sabonis

Raptors: Lowry-Cade-OG-Siakam-Turner
Bench: Flynn-Trent Jr-Yuta-Boucher-Birch

Yes exactly.

I can't see a scenario where fvv stays if we draft one of them especially cade. That's the same logic why I proposed trying to grab Patrick Williams. Get a cheaper controlled asset (non guard) aka an rfa who adds youth. Obviously easier said than done. The goal is the 2023-24 season imo so get lowry for mentoring until then. I think Fred declines his player option and I also can't imagine signing him to more money if he isn't the primary ball handler. Lets plan the future and get max value for fvv this off-season (if we get cade). Let cade play with lowry while adding another young piece.

Pascal in 3 years will be in his peak and og will be close. Let's assume cade will be able to influence the game close to the way Luke does by his 3rd year plus giving everyone else 2 more years to develop. Plan the parade!

But seriously is p will completely unattainable? Because if its a possibility I have to believe its a good trade for us.

[hyper316]

Wonder if they can trade for Bobby Portis, cheap 1 year left at $3M

[Rodrickle]

Wonder if they can trade for Bobby Portis, cheap 1 year left at $3M

It's a player option. And he will likely decline it

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[hyper316]

Man, would have been nice to have anfernee Simons instead of GTJ

[DreamTeam09]

Man, would have been nice to have anfernee Simons instead of GTJ

GTJ was ballin for them last year in the playoffs too.

Why is everyone so down on him. He'll be alright. He came into a losing situation and was asked to do too much with guys in an out of the lineup.

[Dennis 37]

Man, would have been nice to have anfernee Simons instead of GTJ

GTJ was ballin for them last year in the playoffs too.

Why is everyone so down on him. He'll be alright. He came into a losing situation and was asked to do too much with guys in an out of the lineup.

Then he was sat for over a week and people were surprised he had rust on his shot when he came back.

[agkagk]

Man, would have been nice to have anfernee Simons instead of GTJ

From the way reports have read since they drafted simons, it sounds like they expect him to be a future all star and won’t even discuss him unless it’s for a legit super star.

Also Trent for Powell made so much sense for both teams it’s kind of a boring trade lol

[agkagk]

Assuming Minnesota wants to continue building around russell- Beasley - Edwards - Townes


Wondering if this is the best either team could do:


minny’s pick (1 - 3) Rubio, Ed Davis, filler

For

Siakam and roughly the 6 - 8th pick

Maybe we can get culver out of this too, idk...

[UnbelievablyRAW]

One of the things we need to keep an eye on (and maybe root for) is the Lakers losing early. Makes sending Dennis and KCP out (with THT or their FRP) more palatable for Kyle