Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green

[ash_k]

And now you're underestimating his shooting ability?

How about a Jrue holiday, he's an excellent guard that any team would welcome and he's without elite athletic abilitiy or elite 3pt shooting. And suggs is more athletic than Jrue.

You definitely have some blinders on for some reason. I'd prefer Green as well but you're sleeping on Suggs big time and your whole player evaluation is off.

Why aren't you mentioning defense and ball iq, too places Suggs has green beat by leaps n bounds right now

let's say with that 6'5 Wingspan he can somehow defend like Jrue...one-time All Star Jrue. It is not what people are selling here. selling "Franchise changing" player. there are selling "multiple All-Stars" appearances. Even one compared him to Dwayne Wade. We might as well trade the pick for a big, if the expectation is one-time All Star Jrue and I like my elite defender like Jrue very much. Suggs played on stacked NCAA team with the best Shooter in the nation next to him and only managed .337 3P% . #tradethepick

You have no idea what you're talking about.

From NBC Sports


Player comparison: Chauncey Billips

Spoiler:

5 things to know:
-Jalen Suggs is the best true point guard in the class. He's a past-first PG that has a perfect blend of unselfishness and the killer instinct to take over games when needed. At Gonzaga, he was the best player on one of the two best teams for the entire season. A great basketball IQ and vision have him a full tier ahead of several of the other point guards being drafted this season. Both are on display in essentially every offensive and defensive possession.

-If you haven't heard it by now, he played quarterback - a nugget used on essentially every broadcast. But, he wasn't just a passer in high school. ESPN rated him a four-star, dual-threat quarterback that could have played on a Power 5 program. Clearly the skillset of a QB and a point guard are similar and are advantageous to Suggs as he continues his career.

-Suggs was the feature of one of the best NCAA Tournament games of all-time - Gonzaga vs. UCLA. On top of several highlight-reel plays made throughout the game, there are two that are going to stick throughout his career. First was his block and needle-threading bounce pass in the midst of the back-and-forth contest.



Fit in the NBA:
As an elite floor general, Suggs will look to continue playing point guard at the next level. He's probably more prepared for the NBA than many other prospects this year and in years past and would not need a veteran or an adjustment period before a team sees dividends.

It's tough to say if he can be the guy on a rebuilding team, as he has never been in a position like that before. The signs to him being able to succeed are all there, but with Gonzaga, there were so many versatile scorers that even a point guard of lesser skill could have put up numbers. There are some games where he disappeared from the score sheet throughout the season, which could cause concerns. But again, Gonzaga was one of the most dominant NCAA teams in quite a while. Suggs didn't need to pour on the stats. He did, however, when it was called upon.

Whoever drafts him will want the ball in his hands. Whether as a starter or off the bench, it is hard to have his vision and IQ be in a secondary role.

There will need to be some competent wings that can knock down the three ball. It is still an element of Suggs' game that could see a considerable improvement. Either way, he projects to be able to contribute to any offense.

For any of the top five teams in the lottery except perhaps the Cavaliers, he could contribute and/or be a potential upgrade. An ideal fit, even though they have John Wall, is the Rockets who have a ton of scorers and run an offense that will allow him to attack the rim.



Physical Comps
PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT WINGSPAN
Jalen Suggs 6-4 205 6-5½
Gary Harris 6-4½ 205 6-6¾
Jrue Holiday 6-4¼ 199 6-7
Donte DiVincenzo 6-4½ 201 6-6

Watch on YouTube

Sure and the "experts" from NBCsports know what they are talking about
https://www.nbcsports.com/2020-nba-mock-draft
4.Obi Toppin
5.Tyrese Maxey
Cool.

Anyway so now we are going to Billups. All this hype in the last 4 months, all this TWO to then draft a Chauncey Billups. Cool
Certainly sounds more realistic than the Dwayne Wade comparisons from some

[OAKLEY_2]

Anyone who comes on here and says don't pick Suggs because of wingspan is a village idiot.

[disoblige]

I honestly don’t see how a guy with that high of a motor, willingness to win and talent level can bust. Also his passing is special being a star QB as well. He’s our guy

Kwame Brown had all this according to the experts. This is hilarious.

You comparing Kwame Brown to a guard who dominated NCAA at both end of the court.

He didnt dominate NCAA. He is arguably 3rd best on his team behind Timme and Kispert.

[nowayguy]

let's say with that 6'5 Wingspan he can somehow defend like Jrue...one-time All Star Jrue. It is not what people are selling here. selling "Franchise changing" player. there are selling "multiple All-Stars" appearances. Even one compared him to Dwayne Wade. We might as well trade the pick for a big, if the expectation is one-time All Star Jrue and I like my elite defender like Jrue very much. Suggs played on stacked NCAA team with the best Shooter in the nation next to him and only managed .337 3P% . #tradethepick

You have no idea what you're talking about.

From NBC Sports


Player comparison: Chauncey Billips

Spoiler:

5 things to know:
-Jalen Suggs is the best true point guard in the class. He's a past-first PG that has a perfect blend of unselfishness and the killer instinct to take over games when needed. At Gonzaga, he was the best player on one of the two best teams for the entire season. A great basketball IQ and vision have him a full tier ahead of several of the other point guards being drafted this season. Both are on display in essentially every offensive and defensive possession.

-If you haven't heard it by now, he played quarterback - a nugget used on essentially every broadcast. But, he wasn't just a passer in high school. ESPN rated him a four-star, dual-threat quarterback that could have played on a Power 5 program. Clearly the skillset of a QB and a point guard are similar and are advantageous to Suggs as he continues his career.

-Suggs was the feature of one of the best NCAA Tournament games of all-time - Gonzaga vs. UCLA. On top of several highlight-reel plays made throughout the game, there are two that are going to stick throughout his career. First was his block and needle-threading bounce pass in the midst of the back-and-forth contest.



Fit in the NBA:
As an elite floor general, Suggs will look to continue playing point guard at the next level. He's probably more prepared for the NBA than many other prospects this year and in years past and would not need a veteran or an adjustment period before a team sees dividends.

It's tough to say if he can be the guy on a rebuilding team, as he has never been in a position like that before. The signs to him being able to succeed are all there, but with Gonzaga, there were so many versatile scorers that even a point guard of lesser skill could have put up numbers. There are some games where he disappeared from the score sheet throughout the season, which could cause concerns. But again, Gonzaga was one of the most dominant NCAA teams in quite a while. Suggs didn't need to pour on the stats. He did, however, when it was called upon.

Whoever drafts him will want the ball in his hands. Whether as a starter or off the bench, it is hard to have his vision and IQ be in a secondary role.

There will need to be some competent wings that can knock down the three ball. It is still an element of Suggs' game that could see a considerable improvement. Either way, he projects to be able to contribute to any offense.

For any of the top five teams in the lottery except perhaps the Cavaliers, he could contribute and/or be a potential upgrade. An ideal fit, even though they have John Wall, is the Rockets who have a ton of scorers and run an offense that will allow him to attack the rim.



Physical Comps
PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT WINGSPAN
Jalen Suggs 6-4 205 6-5½
Gary Harris 6-4½ 205 6-6¾
Jrue Holiday 6-4¼ 199 6-7
Donte DiVincenzo 6-4½ 201 6-6

Watch on YouTube

Sure and the "experts" from NBCsports know what they are talking about
https://www.nbcsports.com/2020-nba-mock-draft
4.Obi Toppin
5.Tyrese Maxey
Cool.

Anyway so now we are going to Billups. All this hype in the last 4 months, all this TWO to then draft a Chauncey Billups. Cool
Certainly sounds more realistic than the Dwayne Wade comparisons from some

Chauncey Billups is a borderline HOFer and an NBA Finals MVP. He probably gets in the HOF before Lowry... stop it

Kwame Brown had all this according to the experts. This is hilarious.

You comparing Kwame Brown to a guard who dominated NCAA at both end of the court.

He didnt dominate NCAA. He is arguably 3rd best on his team behind Timme and Kispert.

I don't think he dominated either but it's probably more fair to say that they took turns being the best player. Timme was the their best tournament player. Kispert was the best player in the regular season. Suggs had his moments in both.

One thing working for Suggs is that many of his best games came against stronger teams (Iowa, Kansas, BYU, USC). He also had a bad game against Baylor and still dropped 22 points. Point is that some of the most talented teams couldn't stop him when he decided to be assertive.

[OakleyDokely]

Watch Masai take Kuminga at 4, everyone freaks the hell out, and then he turns into Kawhi

Exactly. Everyone is now watching highlights, listening to what the "experts" are saying. Most people didn't know who these players were a year ago. If Ujiri goes a different route, he'd be called "an idiot", even though nobody on this board will get the chance to see these guys work out in person like Ujiri, or even conduct their interview/background check. I trust whatever route he goes.

Ask most why they like Suggs or Green, they'll repeat something they heard from an "expert" from ESPN, or point to their highlights. Most here don't know anything including myself.

I'm in agreement. I trust that the Raps will make the best pick possible. They have a very good track record of drafting and developing talent and the deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[ash_k]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

From NBC Sports


Player comparison: Chauncey Billips

Spoiler:

5 things to know:
-Jalen Suggs is the best true point guard in the class. He's a past-first PG that has a perfect blend of unselfishness and the killer instinct to take over games when needed. At Gonzaga, he was the best player on one of the two best teams for the entire season. A great basketball IQ and vision have him a full tier ahead of several of the other point guards being drafted this season. Both are on display in essentially every offensive and defensive possession.

-If you haven't heard it by now, he played quarterback - a nugget used on essentially every broadcast. But, he wasn't just a passer in high school. ESPN rated him a four-star, dual-threat quarterback that could have played on a Power 5 program. Clearly the skillset of a QB and a point guard are similar and are advantageous to Suggs as he continues his career.

-Suggs was the feature of one of the best NCAA Tournament games of all-time - Gonzaga vs. UCLA. On top of several highlight-reel plays made throughout the game, there are two that are going to stick throughout his career. First was his block and needle-threading bounce pass in the midst of the back-and-forth contest.



Fit in the NBA:
As an elite floor general, Suggs will look to continue playing point guard at the next level. He's probably more prepared for the NBA than many other prospects this year and in years past and would not need a veteran or an adjustment period before a team sees dividends.

It's tough to say if he can be the guy on a rebuilding team, as he has never been in a position like that before. The signs to him being able to succeed are all there, but with Gonzaga, there were so many versatile scorers that even a point guard of lesser skill could have put up numbers. There are some games where he disappeared from the score sheet throughout the season, which could cause concerns. But again, Gonzaga was one of the most dominant NCAA teams in quite a while. Suggs didn't need to pour on the stats. He did, however, when it was called upon.

Whoever drafts him will want the ball in his hands. Whether as a starter or off the bench, it is hard to have his vision and IQ be in a secondary role.

There will need to be some competent wings that can knock down the three ball. It is still an element of Suggs' game that could see a considerable improvement. Either way, he projects to be able to contribute to any offense.

For any of the top five teams in the lottery except perhaps the Cavaliers, he could contribute and/or be a potential upgrade. An ideal fit, even though they have John Wall, is the Rockets who have a ton of scorers and run an offense that will allow him to attack the rim.



Physical Comps
PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT WINGSPAN
Jalen Suggs 6-4 205 6-5½
Gary Harris 6-4½ 205 6-6¾
Jrue Holiday 6-4¼ 199 6-7
Donte DiVincenzo 6-4½ 201 6-6

Watch on YouTube

Sure and the "experts" from NBCsports know what they are talking about
https://www.nbcsports.com/2020-nba-mock-draft
4.Obi Toppin
5.Tyrese Maxey
Cool.

Anyway so now we are going to Billups. All this hype in the last 4 months, all this TWO to then draft a Chauncey Billups. Cool
Certainly sounds more realistic than the Dwayne Wade comparisons from some

Chauncey Billups is a borderline HOFer and an NBA Finals MVP. He probably gets in the HOF before Lowry... stop it

Cool so all the hype, all the prayers to lose from TWO, to basically draft potentially a KYLE LOWRY. all right!
Reading all the hype, I just thought the ceiling would be "slightly" higher.
for some unknown reason if Morey falls asleep at the wheel and proposes a Ben Simmons for the 4th pick (okay salary won't work). You take it and run! #tradethepick!

[nobay]

Speak for yourself. I've watched many full games of all the prospects. I think most of the Green stans are only watching highlights because of his Lavine-level athleticism and NBA range. Check the efficiency. I like different things about the top 5, but if winning is you care about I think Suggs helps you the most. Only Mobley and Suggs gives you high level defense out of the top 5. Cade and Kuminga are average, and Green is terrible. At this point, I think we should all be happy we're getting a top 4 pick in a ridiculously stacked draft and be happy our talent level will definitely go up from last season. I'm ready for next season whoever we get after the debacle known as Tampa.

Watch Masai take Kuminga at 4, everyone freaks the hell out, and then he turns into Kawhi

Exactly. Everyone is now watching highlights, listening to what the "experts" are saying. Most people didn't know who these players were a year ago. If Ujiri goes a different route, he'd be called "an idiot", even though nobody on this board will get the chance to see these guys work out in person like Ujiri, or even conduct their interview/background check. I trust whatever route he goes.

Ask most why they like Suggs or Green, they'll repeat something they heard from an "expert" from ESPN, or point to their highlights. Most here don't know anything including myself.

[Marty_Budda]

Sure and the "experts" from NBCsports know what they are talking about
https://www.nbcsports.com/2020-nba-mock-draft
4.Obi Toppin
5.Tyrese Maxey
Cool.

Anyway so now we are going to Billups. All this hype in the last 4 months, all this TWO to then draft a Chauncey Billups. Cool
Certainly sounds more realistic than the Dwayne Wade comparisons from some

Chauncey Billups is a borderline HOFer and an NBA Finals MVP. He probably gets in the HOF before Lowry... stop it

Cool so all the hype, all the prayers to lose from TWO, to basically draft potentially a KYLE LOWRY. all right!
Reading all the hype, I just thought the ceiling would be "slightly" higher.
for some unknown reason if Morey falls asleep at the wheel and proposes a Ben Simmons for the 4th pick (okay salary won't work). You take it and run! #tradethepick!

You’d be mad if we select a GROAT level player like Kyle Lowry from this draft? Really?! Also Suggs’ ceiling is higher than Lowry. He’s 4 inches taller and more athletic.

And then you propose a Ben Simmons trade for the 4th pick when his value right now is CJ McCollum at best…my god. This has to be a troll

[ash_k]

Chauncey Billups is a borderline HOFer and an NBA Finals MVP. He probably gets in the HOF before Lowry... stop it

Cool so all the hype, all the prayers to lose from TWO, to basically draft potentially a KYLE LOWRY. all right!
Reading all the hype, I just thought the ceiling would be "slightly" higher.
for some unknown reason if Morey falls asleep at the wheel and proposes a Ben Simmons for the 4th pick (okay salary won't work). You take it and run! #tradethepick!

You’d be mad if we select a GROAT level player like Kyle Lowry from this draft? Really?! Also Suggs’ ceiling is higher than Lowry. He’s 4 inches taller and more athletic.

And then you propose a Ben Simmons trade for the 4th pick when his value right now is CJ McCollum at best…my god. This has to be a troll

you are caught up by the outrage generated by media and Doc protecting his rep via Stephen A and Ben 'being charged for murder' by Sixers fans after those Free throws . You would be mad to turn down a Generational talent ala Ben Simmons at 24 years old for just a 4th pick.
Kyle's gift is his mental approach to the game, so intense; It is difficult to project that on a college player. I dont see that intensity in Suggs' game but again it is difficult to project.
It is good that your tempering the expectation with Suggs because let's not pretend that the hype on this board has been Suggs = next Kyle Lowry. There are still plenty talking about Wade and others "accredited" players. If he can perform like Colin Sexton that would be nice, certainly not Ja Morant's nice but still very nice.

[Marty_Budda]

Cool so all the hype, all the prayers to lose from TWO, to basically draft potentially a KYLE LOWRY. all right!
Reading all the hype, I just thought the ceiling would be "slightly" higher.
for some unknown reason if Morey falls asleep at the wheel and proposes a Ben Simmons for the 4th pick (okay salary won't work). You take it and run! #tradethepick!

You’d be mad if we select a GROAT level player like Kyle Lowry from this draft? Really?! Also Suggs’ ceiling is higher than Lowry. He’s 4 inches taller and more athletic.

And then you propose a Ben Simmons trade for the 4th pick when his value right now is CJ McCollum at best…my god. This has to be a troll

you are caught up by the outrage generated by media and Doc protecting his rep via Stephen A and Ben 'being charged for murder' by Sixers fans after those Free throws . You would be mad to turn down a Generational talent ala Ben Simmons at 24 years old for just a 4th pick.
Kyle's gift is his mental approach to the game, so intense; It is difficult to project that on a college player. I dont see that intensity in Suggs' game but again it is difficult to project.
It is good that your tempering the expectation with Suggs because let's not pretend that the hype on this board has been Suggs = next Kyle Lowry. There are still plenty talking about Wade and others "accredited" players. If he can perform like Colin Sexton that would be nice, certainly not Ja Morant's nice but still very nice.

Ben Simmons shot 30% from the FT line in the playoffs. He took a combined 3 shots in 7 games in the 4th vs Atlanta. He passed out of a wide open dunk. Simmons’ tools may be generational, but what’s between his ears is not. You credited Kyles mental approach to the game, Simmons is the polar opposite of that.

Although I agree it’s hard to project a college players mental approach I guarantee you Suggs’s mentality will be better than that of Ben Simmons (doesn’t take much). You can keep this receipt for future use if you’d like.

[ash_k]

You’d be mad if we select a GROAT level player like Kyle Lowry from this draft? Really?! Also Suggs’ ceiling is higher than Lowry. He’s 4 inches taller and more athletic.

And then you propose a Ben Simmons trade for the 4th pick when his value right now is CJ McCollum at best…my god. This has to be a troll

you are caught up by the outrage generated by media and Doc protecting his rep via Stephen A and Ben 'being charged for murder' by Sixers fans after those Free throws . You would be mad to turn down a Generational talent ala Ben Simmons at 24 years old for just a 4th pick.
Kyle's gift is his mental approach to the game, so intense; It is difficult to project that on a college player. I dont see that intensity in Suggs' game but again it is difficult to project.
It is good that your tempering the expectation with Suggs because let's not pretend that the hype on this board has been Suggs = next Kyle Lowry. There are still plenty talking about Wade and others "accredited" players. If he can perform like Colin Sexton that would be nice, certainly not Ja Morant's nice but still very nice.

Ben Simmons shot 30% from the FT line in the playoffs. He took a combined 3 shots in 7 games in the 4th vs Atlanta. He passed out of a wide open dunk. Simmons’ tools may be generational, but what’s between his ears is not. You credited Kyles mental approach to the game, Simmons is the polar opposite of that.

Although I agree it’s hard to project a college players mental approach I guarantee you Suggs’s mentality will be better than that of Ben Simmons (doesn’t take much). You can keep this receipt for future use if you’d like.

Deal.
Let's just not forget that Ben's playoffs debut against Miami 18.2ppg|9.0apg|10.6rpg|2.4steals|49.0FG%|67.0 FT% before Embiid was MVP Embiid, before things started going over to Joel more.
If Suggs can do anything close to that, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

[Fairview4Life]

you are caught up by the outrage generated by media and Doc protecting his rep via Stephen A :lol: and Ben 'being charged for murder' by Sixers fans after those Free throws . You would be mad to turn down a Generational talent ala Ben Simmons at 24 years old for just a 4th pick.
Kyle's gift is his mental approach to the game, so intense; It is difficult to project that on a college player. I dont see that intensity in Suggs' game but again it is difficult to project.
It is good that your tempering the expectation with Suggs because let's not pretend that the hype on this board has been Suggs = next Kyle Lowry. There are still plenty talking about Wade and others "accredited" players. If he can perform like Colin Sexton that would be nice, certainly not Ja Morant's nice but still very nice. :)

Ben Simmons shot 30% from the FT line in the playoffs. He took a combined 3 shots in 7 games in the 4th vs Atlanta. He passed out of a wide open dunk. Simmons’ tools may be generational, but what’s between his ears is not. You credited Kyles mental approach to the game, Simmons is the polar opposite of that.

Although I agree it’s hard to project a college players mental approach I guarantee you Suggs’s mentality will be better than that of Ben Simmons (doesn’t take much). You can keep this receipt for future use if you’d like.

Deal.
Let's just not forget that Ben's playoffs debut against Miami 18.2ppg|9.0apg|10.6rpg|2.4steals|49.0FG%|67.0 FT% before Embiid was MVP Embiid, before things started going over to Joel more.
If Suggs can do anything close to that, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

His playoff debut against Miami was 3 years ago and he has only gotten worse in the playoffs since then.

[Marty_Budda]

you are caught up by the outrage generated by media and Doc protecting his rep via Stephen A and Ben 'being charged for murder' by Sixers fans after those Free throws . You would be mad to turn down a Generational talent ala Ben Simmons at 24 years old for just a 4th pick.
Kyle's gift is his mental approach to the game, so intense; It is difficult to project that on a college player. I dont see that intensity in Suggs' game but again it is difficult to project.
It is good that your tempering the expectation with Suggs because let's not pretend that the hype on this board has been Suggs = next Kyle Lowry. There are still plenty talking about Wade and others "accredited" players. If he can perform like Colin Sexton that would be nice, certainly not Ja Morant's nice but still very nice.

Ben Simmons shot 30% from the FT line in the playoffs. He took a combined 3 shots in 7 games in the 4th vs Atlanta. He passed out of a wide open dunk. Simmons’ tools may be generational, but what’s between his ears is not. You credited Kyles mental approach to the game, Simmons is the polar opposite of that.

Although I agree it’s hard to project a college players mental approach I guarantee you Suggs’s mentality will be better than that of Ben Simmons (doesn’t take much). You can keep this receipt for future use if you’d like.

Deal.
Let's just not forget that Ben's playoffs debut against Miami 18.2ppg|9.0apg|10.6rpg|2.4steals|49.0FG%|67.0 FT% before Embiid was MVP Embiid, before things started going over to Joel more.
If Suggs can do anything close to that, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

Suggs as a first and 2nd year player probably won’t be on Ben Simmons’ level that Ben was during those 2 years. But in terms of years 4,5,6 and so on he’ll have the better career as he’ll continue to improve. Ben is still the same player with slightly improved D.

[ash_k]

Ben Simmons shot 30% from the FT line in the playoffs. He took a combined 3 shots in 7 games in the 4th vs Atlanta. He passed out of a wide open dunk. Simmons’ tools may be generational, but what’s between his ears is not. You credited Kyles mental approach to the game, Simmons is the polar opposite of that.

Although I agree it’s hard to project a college players mental approach I guarantee you Suggs’s mentality will be better than that of Ben Simmons (doesn’t take much). You can keep this receipt for future use if you’d like.

Deal.
Let's just not forget that Ben's playoffs debut against Miami 18.2ppg|9.0apg|10.6rpg|2.4steals|49.0FG%|67.0 FT% before Embiid was MVP Embiid, before things started going over to Joel more.
If Suggs can do anything close to that, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

His playoff debut against Miami was 3 years ago and he has only gotten worse in the playoffs since then.

not to derail the thread, but again it was before Embiid was MVP Embiid then they added Jimmy Butler to stunt Ben's growth (like he stunted KAT's and Wiggins'). #tradethepick

[Faithleader]

I like Suggs, but can someone tell me how Jalen Green not the next Michael Beasley type player with great offensive game during college?

[Fairview4Life]

Deal.
Let's just not forget that Ben's playoffs debut against Miami 18.2ppg|9.0apg|10.6rpg|2.4steals|49.0FG%|67.0 FT% before Embiid was MVP Embiid, before things started going over to Joel more.
If Suggs can do anything close to that, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

His playoff debut against Miami was 3 years ago and he has only gotten worse in the playoffs since then.

not to derail the thread, but again it was before Embiid was MVP Embiid then they added Jimmy Butler to stunt Ben's growth (like he stunted KAT's and Wiggins'). #tradethepick

"Stunted his growth". Give me a break lol. Yes, it's all Jimmy Butler's fault that Ben Simmons got the yips this year.

[ash_k]

His playoff debut against Miami was 3 years ago and he has only gotten worse in the playoffs since then.

not to derail the thread, but again it was before Embiid was MVP Embiid then they added Jimmy Butler to stunt Ben's growth (like he stunted KAT's and Wiggins'). #tradethepick

"Stunted his growth". Give me a break lol. Yes, it's all Jimmy Butler's fault that Ben Simmons got the yips this year.

#tradethepick
Again not to derail , he did though with his ball dominant ways. Ben had to take a backseat with Jimmy.
Not that long ago, it was "who do you rather keep?" Ben or Embiid...obviously, not anymore

[Fairview4Life]

not to derail the thread, but again it was before Embiid was MVP Embiid then they added Jimmy Butler to stunt Ben's growth (like he stunted KAT's and Wiggins'). #tradethepick

"Stunted his growth". Give me a break lol. Yes, it's all Jimmy Butler's fault that Ben Simmons got the yips this year.

#tradethepick
Again not to derail :lol: , he did though with his ball dominant ways. Ben had to take a backseat with Jimmy

Jimmy Butler being better than Ben Simmons 2 years ago isn't a good argument for why Ben Simmons missed 70% of his free throws and refused to shoot this year. It's definitely not a good argument for trading for him, even if Jimmy Butler being better 2 years ago DID explain it.

[maternal85]

Ya right. We now have a bunch of professional scouts on this board. A few youtube highlights, a couple guys on ESPN talking about a few guys, and a decent March madness run, all of a sudden everyone here is a qualified scout. "I've watched him play". 12 months ago you didn't even know who he was. "You'd be an idiot not to pick X". You ask them why. They'll point to a youtube highlight clips, then reference some good games he had during March madness. And if Ujiri doesn't pick the player they've become obsessed with on draft day, which again the knew nothing about 12 months ago, you'll start seeing the "Ujiri is an idiot" thread. Discuss the draft, have fun, but these wannabe NBA scouts need to relax.

[alienchild]

not to derail the thread, but again it was before Embiid was MVP Embiid then they added Jimmy Butler to stunt Ben's growth (like he stunted KAT's and Wiggins'). #tradethepick

"Stunted his growth". Give me a break lol. Yes, it's all Jimmy Butler's fault that Ben Simmons got the yips this year.

#tradethepick
Again not to derail , he did though with his ball dominant ways. Ben had to take a backseat with Jimmy.
Not that long ago, it was "who do you rather keep?" Ben or Embiid...obviously, not anymore

You haven't been this passionate about a player since incessantly pushing Boogie Cousins as the Raptors ticket to the promised land. Facts.