Damian Lillard Trade Request Part 3

[Raptorfan2012]

Well get ready to put your disappointment boots on.

Get ready to be mad all season watching us win games with Dame.

2nd round exit here we come!

Never understood this Championship or nothing attitude. Out of 30 teams, only 1 team wins a championship every season, 2 teams make it to the finals. You try to make the playoffs, then win the 1st round, then the 2nd round, then Conference Finals etc. Its not really that bad to lose in the 2nd round (especially if its a good series). If all teams go with Championship or nothing, then over half the teams in the league can just quit before the season even starts.

[Tor_Raps]

2nd round exit here we come!

You're assuming Masai won't make follow up moves come the trade deadline like he did with Marc Gasol. I think the Lillard trade puts us in championship contention even if its at the bottom of that list at the moment.

As long as we're not sending out a bunch if draft capital, we can always tank later but at least we gave it a shot when it was possible.

In all honesty, I am against the trade unless we absolutely fleece them. But if it's anything like OG+Gradey+multiple unprotected first rounders, I am vehemently against it. I understand that he would get us closer to being contenders, but I don't believe that we will have enough valuable assets to make another move that will make us true contenders, barring Giannis asking out and us putting Scottie Barnes on the table.

I am totally against giving up more than one 1st rounder as part of the OG/Dick package as well. OG/Dick/Boucher/Thad/One 1st Rounder is my max offer simply because Dame will be useless for any of the picks that would be sent out afterwards.

[TheRaptor!]

The alternative is to keep doing nothing and stick around the .500 mark or lower. Not sure why anybody would be against a Lillard trade.

For real, some people acting like we're trading a Wemby like prospect for Dame where we're we'd be screwed if the trade doesn't workout. If it does, you trade Dame for a slightly less package probably. Just gotta ensure you don't trade too many future picks.

FR, its just a 13th pick rookie and a OG on his last year about to resign for 35m

im good with a 33 yr old Dame who dropped 71 in 2023.

[dafan590]

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[blastttOFF]

Get ready to be mad all season watching us win games with Dame.

2nd round exit here we come!

Never understood this Championship or nothing attitude. Out of 30 teams, only 1 team wins a championship every season, 2 teams make it to the finals. You try to make the playoffs, then win the 1st round, then the 2nd round, then Conference Finals etc. Its not really that bad to lose in the 2nd round (especially if its a good series). If all teams go with Championship or nothing, then over half the teams in the league can just quit before the season even starts.

There’s the in-season tournament fam. We gunning for that banner

[Reeko]

Get ready to be mad all season watching us win games with Dame.

2nd round exit here we come!

Never understood this Championship or nothing attitude. Out of 30 teams, only 1 team wins a championship every season, 2 teams make it to the finals. You try to make the playoffs, then win the 1st round, then the 2nd round, then Conference Finals etc. Its not really that bad to lose in the 2nd round (especially if its a good series). If all teams go with Championship or nothing, then over half the teams in the league can just quit before the season even starts.

If you are going to give up many valuable assets in order to acquire a player, they better be able to get you into serious contention. If we're developing and building towards a championship, then a second round exit or heck an exit at any point is ok because you're building. The second we trade multiple assets of value for Dame the clock begins ticking on getting to at the very least the Finals.

[sbsat]

2nd round exit here we come!

Never understood this Championship or nothing attitude. Out of 30 teams, only 1 team wins a championship every season, 2 teams make it to the finals. You try to make the playoffs, then win the 1st round, then the 2nd round, then Conference Finals etc. Its not really that bad to lose in the 2nd round (especially if its a good series). If all teams go with Championship or nothing, then over half the teams in the league can just quit before the season even starts.

If you are going to give up many valuable assets in order to acquire a player, they better be able to get you into serious contention. If we're developing and building towards a championship, then a second round exit or heck an exit at any point is ok because you're building. The second we trade multiple assets of value for Dame the clock begins ticking on getting to at the very least the Finals.

Since the bubble year the raptors have not been seriously trying to win the title. Instead of rebuilding or tanking they choose to develop and monetize assets to turn into a contender. I love this way of managing the team as it has already proven successful and we all know tanking doesnt work and rebuild take a long, long time

[Madvillainy2004]

Well get ready to put your disappointment boots on.

Get ready to be mad all season watching us win games with Dame.

2nd round exit here we come!

Oh no a good basketball team the horror

[JB7]

this guy usually shoots down phx rumours

lets see if phx comes in

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Honestly the 3 way just makes too much sense from all the rumours that have been floated. Just comes down to where OG goes and if it's to Portland, what does Phoenix get in addition to Nurkic. Raptors can't afford to trade all 3 of OG/Trent/Dick while trying to put out a winning product.

From Toronto’s perspective, Pascal for Dame makes the most sense, because it puts Scottie in a better position surrounding him with a number of shooters, and moving out one large salary for another.

But if not Pascal, then OG and GTJ being the pieces moved makes sense, as players with long term salary need to be moved (presuming they would be resigned) and the team has potential fill in options for both: Precious for OG, and Dick for GTJ.

If the team is paying Dame supermax money, and Pascal at least max money, Yak $20M, Precious RFA this upcoming offseason and Barnes the following summer, they cannot afford to let a player on a rookie deal (Dick) go in that trade. Especially one the fills a glaring need on the team.

Ayton, OG and Thad to Portland
Nurkic and GTJ to Suns
Dame to Raps

And probably a pick from the Raps to the Blazers.

[NotMyKawhi]

OG, Dick, Precious, Koloko, Otto, thad picks

You got to keep Precious to help replace OG's defense and minutes to some degree. Can't give up both Precious and Koloko. If you want to compete then trading Otto and Precious is too much for me.

otto has to go for salary purposes

[Spida888]

2nd round exit here we come!

You're assuming Masai won't make follow up moves come the trade deadline like he did with Marc Gasol. I think the Lillard trade puts us in championship contention even if its at the bottom of that list at the moment.

As long as we're not sending out a bunch if draft capital, we can always tank later but at least we gave it a shot when it was possible.

In all honesty, I am against the trade unless we absolutely fleece them. But if it's anything like OG+Gradey+multiple unprotected first rounders, I am vehemently against it. I understand that he would get us closer to being contenders, but I don't believe that we will have enough valuable assets to make another move that will make us true contenders, barring Giannis asking out and us putting Scottie Barnes on the table.

I will be against it too IF it's multiple unprotected firsts, but I don't see Masai doing that. The multiple unprotected firsts are for top 5 ish superstars like Luka/Giannis.

OG + Gradey + 1 FRP would be great. The most I would offer is 2 FRPs where the second FRP is protected.

OG's next contract may be 30M+ and there are multiple teams with cap space next year. He could leave for nothing. We have to trade/extend some of these UFAs and OG is the one most likely to decline his extension with the max value being 140% of his current salary. He would get more in FA.

[canada_dry]

Never understood this Championship or nothing attitude. Out of 30 teams, only 1 team wins a championship every season, 2 teams make it to the finals. You try to make the playoffs, then win the 1st round, then the 2nd round, then Conference Finals etc. Its not really that bad to lose in the 2nd round (especially if its a good series). If all teams go with Championship or nothing, then over half the teams in the league can just quit before the season even starts.

If you are going to give up many valuable assets in order to acquire a player, they better be able to get you into serious contention. If we're developing and building towards a championship, then a second round exit or heck an exit at any point is ok because you're building. The second we trade multiple assets of value for Dame the clock begins ticking on getting to at the very least the Finals.

Since the bubble year the raptors have not been seriously trying to win the title. Instead of rebuilding or tanking they choose to develop and monetize assets to turn into a contender. I love this way of managing the team as it has already proven successful and we all know tanking doesnt work and rebuild take a long, long time

Not only that but management has said many times that's the way they build because its worked before. And the moves are a reflection of that.

The other side ALWAYS said another trade isnt happening with our assets yet this is the second year in a row we are in serious discussions to add the top player on the market... so what gives?

If this trade doesnt happen we will be right in line when the next guy becomes available whether thats donavan or giannis or embiid or Whatever.

Thats how this management runs things.

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[Mak]

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Honestly the 3 way just makes too much sense from all the rumours that have been floated. Just comes down to where OG goes and if it's to Portland, what does Phoenix get in addition to Nurkic. Raptors can't afford to trade all 3 of OG/Trent/Dick while trying to put out a winning product.

From Toronto’s perspective, Pascal for Dame makes the most sense, because it puts Scottie in a better position surrounding him with a number of shooters, and moving out one large salary for another.

But if not Pascal, then OG and GTJ being the pieces moved makes sense, as players with long term salary need to be moved, and the team has potential fill in options for both: Precious for OG, and Dick for GTJ.

If the team is paying Dame supermax money, and Pascal at least max money, Yak $20M, Precious RFA this upcoming offseason and Barnes the following summer, they cannot afford to let a player on a rookie deal (Dick) go in that trade. Especially one the fills a glaring need on the team.

Ayton, OG and Thad to Portland
Nurkic and GTJ to Suns
Dame to Raps

And probably a pick from the Raps to the Blazers.

Trade the only all star and all nba player, easily the best player right now so Dame can play with younger guys? I don’t understand how that makes the most sense. Pairing him with another all nba player makes the most sense.

[ForeverTFC]

2nd round exit here we come!

Never understood this Championship or nothing attitude. Out of 30 teams, only 1 team wins a championship every season, 2 teams make it to the finals. You try to make the playoffs, then win the 1st round, then the 2nd round, then Conference Finals etc. Its not really that bad to lose in the 2nd round (especially if its a good series). If all teams go with Championship or nothing, then over half the teams in the league can just quit before the season even starts.

If you are going to give up many valuable assets in order to acquire a player, they better be able to get you into serious contention. If we're developing and building towards a championship, then a second round exit or heck an exit at any point is ok because you're building. The second we trade multiple assets of value for Dame the clock begins ticking on getting to at the very least the Finals.

Why is it ok to to exit out of the 2nd round if you rebuilt vs if you traded assets to get there? The outcome is the same, so the method of getting there shouldn't have any influence. And I really don't think most rebuttals can drive your argument any further:

1. If you rebuild, you can ascend and then use your assets to further augment the team to be more than a 2nd round exit --> who's to say we wouldn't be in the exact position as we are now after a rebuild? I'd say coming out of a rebuild with an all-nba caliber player and the ROY 2 years removed is an amazing outcome
2. It's fine to exit out in the 2nd round if you rebuilt to get there because if your team caps out there, you have all your assets and it'll be easier to start again --> sure, which is why most are in favor of this because the price seems fair and not destructive to future flexibility
3. There is a longer pathway with a rebuild as opposed to trading for a 33 year old --> is there? most contention windows outside dynasties are 2-4 years; if you can get it now, why wait to get in 5 years down the line?

Price has to be right, for sure. But it sounds like we're not trading Scottie, we may not trade Gradey, and we may not have to give up more than a pick. Does that really hamper the future of the team?

[Dalek]

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Wow Kendrick Perkins made a good point! Darko is not Nick Nurse so even if we bring Lillard we don't have a coach that we know and what system they can effectively run. This was going to be a grind with Darko and and even rougher grind with Lillard coming in. I do kind of like the whole risk throw caution into the wind, but if we start out weak prepare to be be buried by US media.

[Raptors Realtor]

Never understood this Championship or nothing attitude. Out of 30 teams, only 1 team wins a championship every season, 2 teams make it to the finals. You try to make the playoffs, then win the 1st round, then the 2nd round, then Conference Finals etc. Its not really that bad to lose in the 2nd round (especially if its a good series). If all teams go with Championship or nothing, then over half the teams in the league can just quit before the season even starts.

If you are going to give up many valuable assets in order to acquire a player, they better be able to get you into serious contention. If we're developing and building towards a championship, then a second round exit or heck an exit at any point is ok because you're building. The second we trade multiple assets of value for Dame the clock begins ticking on getting to at the very least the Finals.

Why is it ok to to exit out of the 2nd round if you rebuilt vs if you traded assets to get there? The outcome is the same, so the method of getting there shouldn't have any influence. And I really don't think most rebuttals can drive your argument any further:

1. If you rebuild, you can ascend and then use your assets to further augment the team to be more than a 2nd round exit --> who's to say we wouldn't be in the exact position as we are now after a rebuild? I'd say coming out of a rebuild with an all-nba caliber player and the ROY 2 years removed is an amazing outcome
2. It's fine to exit out in the 2nd round if you rebuilt to get there because if your team caps out there, you have all your assets and it'll be easier to start again --> sure, which is why most are in favor of this because the price seems fair and not destructive to future flexibility
3. There is a longer pathway with a rebuild as opposed to trading for a 33 year old --> is there? most contention windows outside dynasties are 2-4 years; if you can get it now, why wait to get in 5 years down the line?

Price has to be right, for sure. But it sounds like we're not trading Scottie, we may not trade Gradey, and we may not have to give up more than a pick. Does that really hamper the future of the team?

I think it's wishful thinking to believe we won't have to give up Dick or 1st(s), or both.

[dTox]

I'm guessing that exec works for Miami, ridiculous

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[ImaBeatDatAzz]

In NY, they say "Knicks for clicks". What is the Raps equivalent?

It's gotta be "Raps for faps".

first thing that came to my mind too lol

[Tor_Raps]

I'm guessing that exec works for Miami, ridiculous

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Tweet is almost 12 hours old... you know we already laughed at that saying the scout is probably from Miami lol.

[ForeverTFC]

If you are going to give up many valuable assets in order to acquire a player, they better be able to get you into serious contention. If we're developing and building towards a championship, then a second round exit or heck an exit at any point is ok because you're building. The second we trade multiple assets of value for Dame the clock begins ticking on getting to at the very least the Finals.

Why is it ok to to exit out of the 2nd round if you rebuilt vs if you traded assets to get there? The outcome is the same, so the method of getting there shouldn't have any influence. And I really don't think most rebuttals can drive your argument any further:

1. If you rebuild, you can ascend and then use your assets to further augment the team to be more than a 2nd round exit --> who's to say we wouldn't be in the exact position as we are now after a rebuild? I'd say coming out of a rebuild with an all-nba caliber player and the ROY 2 years removed is an amazing outcome
2. It's fine to exit out in the 2nd round if you rebuilt to get there because if your team caps out there, you have all your assets and it'll be easier to start again --> sure, which is why most are in favor of this because the price seems fair and not destructive to future flexibility
3. There is a longer pathway with a rebuild as opposed to trading for a 33 year old --> is there? most contention windows outside dynasties are 2-4 years; if you can get it now, why wait to get in 5 years down the line?

Price has to be right, for sure. But it sounds like we're not trading Scottie, we may not trade Gradey, and we may not have to give up more than a pick. Does that really hamper the future of the team?

I think it's wishful thinking to believe we won't have to give up Dick or 1st(s), or both.

You're more than likely right. But to me, it's either/or; either picks or Dick. OG + Dick + Picks starts to get a little uncomfortable for me given the limited contention window so fingers crossed.