2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[C_Money]

Denver has the 28th pick. Is that enough to cancel all your workouts?

[Zeno]

Denver has the 28th pick. Is that enough to cancel all your workouts?

Maybe but I think it is the suns. He’s from Arizona. They don’t scout extensively. They need to go to any lengths to get a player with this pick. They can leak it is Denver and teams that are interested might not move up high enough to get him since they are at 22.

[alpngso]

"Sources told ESPN Holmes recently canceled several workouts, raising strong suspicions that he has secured a guarantee in the back part of the first round. Coming off a productive career at Dayton in which he made strides as a shooter (38% from 3 last season), Holmes appears to have helped himself in the pre-draft process, moving himself into the first-round picture."

Givony and Woo didn't say he cancelled all the workouts in the ESPN piece unless Givony tweeted anything new. Evan Sidery is aggregating the report.

[Rapsfan07]

I guess it all depends on who he's worked out for so far but I wouldn't worry about Denver or Phoenix. Barring some massive, unforeseen move, he'll be on the board for us at #19.

Right now, I have him and Ware as my main candidates for #19, barring someone like Carter falling.

With Sallis pulling out of the draft, I think we have to go with Simpson. If Simpson's gone then we go with Tyson. Ajay Mitchell is interesting as well.

[grant101]

Denver has the 28th pick. Is that enough to cancel all your workouts?

I have a feeling it's a lottery promise. There are a few teams towards the end of the lottery looking to compete next year, and I think Holmes gives you production day one.

[TimeForChange]

you don't cancel workouts with a promise to go at the end of the first round.

if he has a promise, it is definitely from a team in the lottery.

[DreamTeam09]

I'm hoping Tyler Smith slips to 31, that'd be cool for us. Preferably I wanna leave this draft with a wing at 19 NBA big at 31

[WuTang_CMB]

Denver has the 28th pick. Is that enough to cancel all your workouts?

I have a feeling it's a lottery promise. There are a few teams towards the end of the lottery looking to compete next year, and I think Holmes gives you production day one.

Ha

You're not wrong. Def a possibility. The draft smoke has officially started.

He's also not even listed in any workouts for teams on hoopshype which means a team was sold on him long ago

[OAKLEY_2]

Players of interest second round..
Jay Bilas was raving about PG Tristan Newton. Made him sound like round 1 talent. Enrique Freeman is a cool kid and he says he's a power forward. Everyone is raving about DaRon Holmes so Holmes at 19? I realyl like PJ Hall as interior presence player at the 4. KJ Simpson will be found in round 2.

Ware is a solid prospect as 19 pick Would love the Edey experiment but....he could be late lotto.

I have to believe one of Walter, McCain or Collier will fall to us and if so any of those will work. Then I like Enrique Freeman, PJ Hall or Bobi Klintman round 2.

[disoblige]

Denver has the 28th pick. Is that enough to cancel all your workouts?

In recent years, Toronto has held the policy of not publicizing their pre-draft workouts.

“Just the more you think about it, it’s just another advantage of not letting the teams around us know who we have coming through here. Just to be totally honest with you, just trying to keep a little bit of privacy in terms of what we’re doing with that,” Raptors assistant general manager Dan Tolzman said in a 2023 media availability.

We could have promised him and hid the workout. I think he is the type Masai wants. He was defensive player of the year finalist.

See our history of defensive player:
Barnes, Kawhi, Gasol, Ibaka, Green, OG, Siakam

I wouldn't be surprised if that promise also came with being our starting PF next season.

[ItsDanger]

Don't think you cancel workouts to go 28th. Must be significantly higher than that.

[nivisi9]

I really wish we hadn't traded one of our picks for Abaji..

Why in hell is the front office trading picks? have they not learned their lesson yet?

The "depth" of this draft is becoming really intriguing and underrated.

The point is to have multiple shots at a player, this could've been a really fun scenario in which we came in with a group of first round picks (bench mob style)

A combination of say...

Carrington/Dadiet/K.George/Holmes

Could've been super excited, all 4 of those guys are all underrated and exciting prospects.

I feel strongly atleast one of those guys hits hard and wouldn't be surprised if more then one of them does.

Hopefully Masai can package Brown for another pick to make up for losing 7th and trading one already..

Such brutal asset management. Enough treadmill moves.

[Indeed]

I really wish we hadn't traded one of our picks for Abaji..

Why in hell is the front office trading picks? have they not learned their lesson yet?

The "depth" of this draft is becoming really intriguing and underrated.

The point is to have multiple shots at a player, this could've been a really fun scenario in which we came in with a group of first round picks (bench mob style)

A combination of say...

Carrington/Dadiet/K.George/Holmes

Could've been super excited, all 4 of those guys are all underrated and exciting prospects.

I feel strongly atleast one of those guys hits hard and wouldn't be surprised if more then one of them does.

Hopefully Masai can package Brown for another pick to make up for losing 7th and trading one already..

Such brutal asset management. Enough treadmill moves.

Anyone we draft after lottery is hardly better than Abaji.
You can say the same that we hope our pick didn't convey, but it is best we convey with this weak draft.

All 4 looks like bench players / role players to me.

We should rather acquire better picks next year, particularly packaging Brown. Definitely not this year, pretty bad draft. Next year looks pretty good.

[nivisi9]

I really wish we hadn't traded one of our picks for Abaji..

Why in hell is the front office trading picks? have they not learned their lesson yet?

The "depth" of this draft is becoming really intriguing and underrated.

The point is to have multiple shots at a player, this could've been a really fun scenario in which we came in with a group of first round picks (bench mob style)

A combination of say...

Carrington/Dadiet/K.George/Holmes

Could've been super excited, all 4 of those guys are all underrated and exciting prospects.

I feel strongly atleast one of those guys hits hard and wouldn't be surprised if more then one of them does.

Hopefully Masai can package Brown for another pick to make up for losing 7th and trading one already..

Such brutal asset management. Enough treadmill moves.

Anyone we draft after lottery is hardly better than Abaji.
You can say the same that we hope our pick didn't convey, but it is best we convey with this weak draft.

All 4 looks like bench players / role players to me.

We should rather acquire better picks next year, particularly packaging Brown. Definitely not this year, pretty bad draft. Next year looks pretty good.

I think the "weak draft" is overblown and has more to do with the star power at the top.

Abaji looked pretty bad, is older, and wasn't getting minutes on a middling team.

would rather take the first round pick and select our own guy in a rebuild.

[S.W.A.N]

I really wish we hadn't traded one of our picks for Abaji..

Why in hell is the front office trading picks? have they not learned their lesson yet?

The "depth" of this draft is becoming really intriguing and underrated.

The point is to have multiple shots at a player, this could've been a really fun scenario in which we came in with a group of first round picks (bench mob style)

A combination of say...

Carrington/Dadiet/K.George/Holmes

Could've been super excited, all 4 of those guys are all underrated and exciting prospects.

I feel strongly atleast one of those guys hits hard and wouldn't be surprised if more then one of them does.

Hopefully Masai can package Brown for another pick to make up for losing 7th and trading one already..

Such brutal asset management. Enough treadmill moves.

Anyone we draft after lottery is hardly better than Abaji.
You can say the same that we hope our pick didn't convey, but it is best we convey with this weak draft.

All 4 looks like bench players / role players to me.

We should rather acquire better picks next year, particularly packaging Brown. Definitely not this year, pretty bad draft. Next year looks pretty good.

I think the "weak draft" is overblown and has more to do with the star power at the top.

Abaji looked pretty bad, is older, and wasn't getting minutes on a middling team.

would rather take the first round pick and select our own guy in a rebuild.

For the most part I agree. This draft is solid in the back end.

As for the pick... I would want it over Abaji, but for Abaji and Kelly I think it a good deal.

Kelly is a rotation big man. That alone is worth a late first. Abaji is a bonus. If he turns into something the trade is a win. If he doesn't then the trade is still a net positive, just not a "Wow, good trade."

[OAKLEY_2]

I really wish we hadn't traded one of our picks for Abaji..

Why in hell is the front office trading picks? have they not learned their lesson yet?

The "depth" of this draft is becoming really intriguing and underrated.

The point is to have multiple shots at a player, this could've been a really fun scenario in which we came in with a group of first round picks (bench mob style)

A combination of say...

Carrington/Dadiet/K.George/Holmes

Could've been super excited, all 4 of those guys are all underrated and exciting prospects.

I feel strongly atleast one of those guys hits hard and wouldn't be surprised if more then one of them does.

Hopefully Masai can package Brown for another pick to make up for losing 7th and trading one already..

Such brutal asset management. Enough treadmill moves.

Anyone we draft after lottery is hardly better than Abaji.
You can say the same that we hope our pick didn't convey, but it is best we convey with this weak draft.

All 4 looks like bench players / role players to me.

We should rather acquire better picks next year, particularly packaging Brown. Definitely not this year, pretty bad draft. Next year looks pretty good.

To criticize the Agbaji trade seems to be the effort of someone who would also say that pick was worthless if that was the end result. I mean they need to just say fire Masai without the clutching of proverbial straws about asset management. Agbaji/Olynyk was actually a good trade. It was a decion about guaranteed money for end of round one value vs. the start of round two with less guarantees. That player X value is likely available in both spots. That they do not fetch two of those where one costs more than the other despite their similar talent value. It added Agbaji, Olynyk to Brown trade chip, #19 and their future first.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

If it's true my guess would be OKC or SAC likes Holmes

[Landomar]

If it's true my guess would be OKC or SAC likes Holmes

OKC often drafts players I like, and I like Holmes a lot. The only real need on their team right now is to add some bigs. Most of the players on OKC can dribble, pass, and shoot. Holmes can dribble, pass, and shoot. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Holmes got a promise from them.

[Indeed]

Anyone we draft after lottery is hardly better than Abaji.
You can say the same that we hope our pick didn't convey, but it is best we convey with this weak draft.

All 4 looks like bench players / role players to me.

We should rather acquire better picks next year, particularly packaging Brown. Definitely not this year, pretty bad draft. Next year looks pretty good.

I think the "weak draft" is overblown and has more to do with the star power at the top.

Abaji looked pretty bad, is older, and wasn't getting minutes on a middling team.

would rather take the first round pick and select our own guy in a rebuild.

For the most part I agree. This draft is solid in the back end.

As for the pick... I would want it over Abaji, but for Abaji and Kelly I think it a good deal.

Kelly is a rotation big man. That alone is worth a late first. Abaji is a bonus. If he turns into something the trade is a win. If he doesn't then the trade is still a net positive, just not a "Wow, good trade."

Abaji looked pretty bad when I looked at him before he was drafted, it is definitely a throw in.
However, this draft is bad even in the back end, most of them measured below other drafts.

[Rapsfan07]

I really wish we hadn't traded one of our picks for Abaji..

Why in hell is the front office trading picks? have they not learned their lesson yet?

The "depth" of this draft is becoming really intriguing and underrated.

The point is to have multiple shots at a player, this could've been a really fun scenario in which we came in with a group of first round picks (bench mob style)

A combination of say...

Carrington/Dadiet/K.George/Holmes

Could've been super excited, all 4 of those guys are all underrated and exciting prospects.

I feel strongly atleast one of those guys hits hard and wouldn't be surprised if more then one of them does.

Hopefully Masai can package Brown for another pick to make up for losing 7th and trading one already..

Such brutal asset management. Enough treadmill moves.

It was a pretty foolish trade, all things considered.

Olynyk resigned for what is essentially the MLE and I'd argue there are better prospects than Agbaji around pick #28 right now.

But this has been the trajectory of the franchise ever since winning the title for reasons that I can't comprehend.

Anyway, we're here now. Gotta try and make the best of it.