Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[tsherkin]

We haven't had a guard with Harper's ability to change speed in our history, and while I've seen less of Edgecombe, the stats (and
If we get the 5th pick I will be sad.

It would be a very "Toronto luck" result, though.

Are you implying that it seems Toronto seems to have outside forces that affect our “luck” and “lottery odds” in specific years that seem very suspicious?

I mean, we were ourselves the problem at the start of the franchise, making that ridiculous agreement. And then we won the #1 overall in a year where we had no good choices and made the worst one, lol. I think we have been our own enemy.

[Dennis 37]

He will free up so much in the offence.

Barnes not having to face the other team's best defender/ double teams.

RJ doesnt have to score 20+ and can excerpt more energy on D

Quickly can do his thing, etc

+ our lottery pick this year. Next year will be the funnest season to watch in a long time.

Plus good fun.

[Thaddy]

You're on crack if you think IQ and Ingram are championship level pieces.

Bro are you ok? Im worried about you...Yesterday your tune was totally different, talking about how the trade was good and Ingram fills holes on this team, Now you just flip like a coin.

Everything good?

I noticed that as well.

Not to mention, we haven't even seen the two suit up or play a damn game together, so how can someone just jump to conclusions already?

I stopped drinking the kool aid maybe you should too.

BI, IQ, RJ, etc have been in the league for 5+ years now we know what they are and what they'll provide. It'll get the Raptors play in revenue best case scenario, but most likely we're a fringe play in team.

How can you be happy about that? Going for the play-in is a losing mentality.

[MiamiSPX]

Call me ungrateful but I'm not happy overpaying everyone - If that's the case, just pack up the franchise and move it to the south.

Nah...I'm cool with it. It's not my money after all.

Masai just showed we can win a title in 2019... was 'casual_fan' too casual to notice?

Do you think the Steph Warriors got a discount on the Jimmy Butler extension that he left Miami over? Do you think OG gave Knicks a discount? What about Siakam to the Pacers? This crap is happening all over the league and you're just crying about having to overpay Ingram by a few mill per season potentially lol.

I would say that for 90% of the 9-figure contracts handed out the last 1-2 years, the general consensus on this site and online is always "LOL, what an overpay" and then most of them end up fine. I have no doubt BI's contract will elicit the same reaction (I'm sure some posters even have a draft of their post ready lol). I think our perceptions just need to change. Your top guys are going to get theirs, it's the bench and younger guys where you need to hit on contract value IMO.

[canada_dry]

Bro are you ok? Im worried about you...Yesterday your tune was totally different, talking about how the trade was good and Ingram fills holes on this team, Now you just flip like a coin.

Everything good?

I noticed that as well.

Not to mention, we haven't even seen the two suit up or play a damn game together, so how can someone just jump to conclusions already?

I stopped drinking the kool aid maybe you should too.

BI, IQ, RJ, etc have been in the league for 5+ years now we know what they are and what they'll provide. It'll get the Raptors play in revenue best case scenario, but most likely we're a fringe play in team.

How can you be happy about that? Going for the play-in is a losing mentality.

That's called bipolar, brother.

[Thaddy]

I noticed that as well.

Not to mention, we haven't even seen the two suit up or play a damn game together, so how can someone just jump to conclusions already?

I stopped drinking the kool aid maybe you should too.

BI, IQ, RJ, etc have been in the league for 5+ years now we know what they are and what they'll provide. It'll get the Raptors play in revenue best case scenario, but most likely we're a fringe play in team.

How can you be happy about that? Going for the play-in is a losing mentality.

That's called bipolar, brother.

It's not bipolar, it's called doing an analysis and shifting your opinion. Maybe instead of echoing the rosy sentiment on the board you should drive your own opinion by looking at facts and numbers.

[LoveMyRaps]

Bro are you ok? Im worried about you...Yesterday your tune was totally different, talking about how the trade was good and Ingram fills holes on this team, Now you just flip like a coin.

Everything good?

I noticed that as well.

Not to mention, we haven't even seen the two suit up or play a damn game together, so how can someone just jump to conclusions already?

I stopped drinking the kool aid maybe you should too.

BI, IQ, RJ, etc have been in the league for 5+ years now we know what they are and what they'll provide. It'll get the Raptors play in revenue best case scenario, but most likely we're a fringe play in team.

How can you be happy about that? Going for the play-in is a losing mentality.

No we do not know what they'll provide as a unit. They've yet to step on the court together.
How can you be so foolish? Different skillsets excel in different situations & different environments.

For example: Ingram is statistically an elite mid-range shot maker even though he's in the 0th percentile for shot quality. Him playing alongside Poeltl (statistically one of the best screen setters) will create way more wide open looks for him.

Spoiler:

Again, different variables product different results. Let's wait and see how this unit does before jumping to any conclusions.

Average age of Barnes + Barrett + Quickley + Ingram = 24.5

Let's take a look at the top teams in the East and the average age of their top 4 guys:

Knicks (Brunson + Bridges + OG + KAT = 28)
Celtics (Tatum + Brown + Holiday + Porzingis = 29.25)
Cavs (Mitchell + Mobley + Allen + Garland = 26)

Now name me a single team that went from being a bottom feeder to a championship team. It's just not possible. You gotta climb back up the ranks. Cavs went from play-ins, to first round exit, to second round exit, and now are considered a legitimate contender. Same thing with the Knicks.

If we go by usage and mpg, we have one of the youngest squads in the league. If we can make the playoffs next year, that's considered a success. We gotta establish that winning culture again and build on it.

It's different from when we kept trying to make a play-in push w/ Fred, Siakam, Poeltl, OG (which was a significantly older core), as we already knew what they were capable of after years of watching them all play together. The average age of that unit was ~28.

Making the playoffs also raises the value of our players, which can help us land a star via trade OR make us an attractive destination in free agency.

Your issue is that you think we have to tank every year until we're suddenly a contender, that's now things works and isn't realistic whatsoever.

[Thaddy]

I noticed that as well.

Not to mention, we haven't even seen the two suit up or play a damn game together, so how can someone just jump to conclusions already?

I stopped drinking the kool aid maybe you should too.

BI, IQ, RJ, etc have been in the league for 5+ years now we know what they are and what they'll provide. It'll get the Raptors play in revenue best case scenario, but most likely we're a fringe play in team.

How can you be happy about that? Going for the play-in is a losing mentality.

No we do not know what they'll provide as a unit. They've yet to step on the court together.
How can you be so foolish? Different skillsets excel in different situations & different environments.

For example: Ingram is statistically an elite mid-range shot maker even though he's in the 0th percentile for shot quality. Him playing alongside Poeltl (statistically one of the best screen setters) will create way more wide open looks for him.

Spoiler:

Again, different variables product different results. Let's wait and see how this unit does before jumping to any conclusions.

Average age of Barnes + Barrett + Quickley + Ingram = 24.5

Let's take a look at the top teams in the East and the average age of their top 4 guys:

Knicks (Brunson + Bridges + OG + KAT = 28)
Celtics (Tatum + Brown + Holiday + Porzingis = 29.25)
Cavs (Mitchell + Mobley + Allen + Garland = 26)

Now name me a single team that went from being a bottom feeder to a championship team. It's just not possible. You gotta climb back up the ranks. Cavs went from play-ins, to first round exit, to second round exit, and now are considered a legitimate contender. Same thing with the Knicks.

If we go by usage and mpg, we have one of the youngest squads in the league. If we can make the playoffs next year, that's considered a success. We gotta establish that winning culture again and build on it.

It's different from when we kept trying to make a play-in push w/ Fred, Siakam, Poeltl, OG (which was a significantly older core), as we already knew what they were capable of after years of watching them all play together. The average age of that unit was ~28.

Making the playoffs also raises the value of our players, which can help us land a star via trade OR make us an attractive destination in free agency.

Your issue is that you think we have to tank every year until we're suddenly a contender, that's now things works and isn't realistic whatsoever.

Tanking this year and next year isn't EVERY year.

We would also have a lot of cap room if we let contracts expire and traded Poeltl and Barrett for picks and expirings. That means we would have the means to sign a good FA similar to how the Rockets got FVV. Once the lotto picks extensions kick in the FA signing would expire.

That's effective cap management and building internally. Instead we are overpaying players who other teams have given up on. Ingram is a mid range scorer, that's the least effective shot in basketball. We're one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league and we added someone else who operates in the same space occupied by Barnes and Poeltl, how is that a good idea?

[Tripod]

I stopped drinking the kool aid maybe you should too.

BI, IQ, RJ, etc have been in the league for 5+ years now we know what they are and what they'll provide. It'll get the Raptors play in revenue best case scenario, but most likely we're a fringe play in team.

How can you be happy about that? Going for the play-in is a losing mentality.

That's called bipolar, brother.

It's not bipolar, it's called doing an analysis and shifting your opinion. Maybe instead of echoing the rosy sentiment on the board you should drive your own opinion by looking at facts and numbers.

Lol....analysis using facts and numbers.

You don't even know what the contract is yet.



And you are just echoing fellow tankers who would have never won in 2019...because you would have tore it down.

And sign a good UFA....because those people just LINE UP for Toronto.

[LoveMyRaps]

Sure sounds like Ingram requested a trade (and Raps were one of very few teams on the short list):

Watch on YouTube

[Thaddy]

That's called bipolar, brother.

It's not bipolar, it's called doing an analysis and shifting your opinion. Maybe instead of echoing the rosy sentiment on the board you should drive your own opinion by looking at facts and numbers.

Lol....analysis using facts and numbers.

You don't even know what the contract is yet.



And you are just echoing fellow tankers who would have never won in 2019...because you would have tore it down.

And sign a good UFA....because those people just LINE UP for Toronto.

Yeah I do it'll be 40M on average per a year. He only wanted to come here because Masai has a history of overpaying for crap.

[LoveMyRaps]

It's not bipolar, it's called doing an analysis and shifting your opinion. Maybe instead of echoing the rosy sentiment on the board you should drive your own opinion by looking at facts and numbers.

Lol....analysis using facts and numbers.

You don't even know what the contract is yet.



And you are just echoing fellow tankers who would have never won in 2019...because you would have tore it down.

And sign a good UFA....because those people just LINE UP for Toronto.

Yeah I do it'll be 40M on average per a year. He only wanted to come here because Masai has a history of overpaying for crap.

40mil AAV is not an overpay lol. You're just making it seem as if it is so you can criticize Masai when the deal is announced.

[Thaddy]

Lol....analysis using facts and numbers.

You don't even know what the contract is yet.



And you are just echoing fellow tankers who would have never won in 2019...because you would have tore it down.

And sign a good UFA....because those people just LINE UP for Toronto.

Yeah I do it'll be 40M on average per a year. He only wanted to come here because Masai has a history of overpaying for crap.

40mil AAV is not an overpay lol. You're just making it seem as if it is so you can criticize Masai when the deal is announced.

It is. No one else wanted to pay him that and he wouldn't get it in the open market.

[Tripod]

It's not bipolar, it's called doing an analysis and shifting your opinion. Maybe instead of echoing the rosy sentiment on the board you should drive your own opinion by looking at facts and numbers.

Lol....analysis using facts and numbers.

You don't even know what the contract is yet.



And you are just echoing fellow tankers who would have never won in 2019...because you would have tore it down.

And sign a good UFA....because those people just LINE UP for Toronto.

Yeah I do it'll be 40M on average per a year. He only wanted to come here because Masai has a history of overpaying for crap.

You have lost your marbles. Not for real I hope.

That 40 million would put him 28th in cap hit. That's not overpaid for a 22+pt scorer

And that's if it's a flat 40. If it's 37, 40, 43...that 37 next year puts him at 42nd...just ahead of Desmond Bane...lol

[Boogie!]

When is this guy playing? Are we just benching him for the year

[LoveMyRaps]

When is this guy playing? Are we just benching him for the year

Slated to return after all-star break.

[WuTang_CMB]

Sure sounds like Ingram requested a trade (and Raps were one of very few teams on the short list):

Watch on YouTube

Paul jones confirmed this on his podcast. Said just this. brandon rebuffed teams who were interested in trading him. It was down to ATL and Tor

[WuTang_CMB]

Read on Twitter

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[mtcan]

Sure sounds like Ingram requested a trade (and Raps were one of very few teams on the short list):

Watch on YouTube

BI left Zion to play with Jakob Poeltl. I'm pretty sure BI has been more complementary of Jakob than he has of Zion all these years.

[Los_29]

Bro are you ok? Im worried about you...Yesterday your tune was totally different, talking about how the trade was good and Ingram fills holes on this team, Now you just flip like a coin.

Everything good?

I noticed that as well.

Not to mention, we haven't even seen the two suit up or play a damn game together, so how can someone just jump to conclusions already?

I stopped drinking the kool aid maybe you should too.

BI, IQ, RJ, etc have been in the league for 5+ years now we know what they are and what they'll provide. It'll get the Raptors play in revenue best case scenario, but most likely we're a fringe play in team.

How can you be happy about that? Going for the play-in is a losing mentality.

Your flip flopping and wild hot takes have been thoroughly enjoyable to read the past few days. Keep up the good work!