Training Camp Thread / Media Day

[DreamTeam09]

Scottie and Vlady, are on the same level of stardom. You might not believe me, but that's what I see.

Lol stop.

Vladdy is a guy who has a legit chance at putting up an MVP season.

Barnes is not that kind of guy.

a yr ago they weren't saying that about vladdy

[Tofubeque]

Scottie and Vlady, are on the same level of stardom. You might not believe me, but that's what I see.

Lol stop.

Vladdy is a guy who has a legit chance at putting up an MVP season.

Barnes is not that kind of guy.

a yr ago they weren't saying that about vladdy

Maybe if Scottie had a dad who was a pro player and he grew up in NBA gyms honing his scoring skills, became a highly touted prospect and was now 25-26 years old.

Anyway, the Vladdy comp on the Raptors is actually RJ Barrett.

[Brinbe]

I don't think IQ is worth the money we gave him. What's the expectation for him? Is he supposed to be an elite 3+D? We don't really give him much creation opportunity.

I think they'd ideally be hoping to get some semblence of this guy but they're not exactly putting him in that same position to push as a scoring guard.

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[YogurtProducer]

Anyway, the Vladdy comp on the Raptors is actually RJ Barrett.

Nah - Lowry

[YogurtProducer]

I don't think IQ is worth the money we gave him. What's the expectation for him? Is he supposed to be an elite 3+D? We don't really give him much creation opportunity.

I think they'd ideally be hoping to get some semblence of this guy but they're not exactly putting him in that same position to push as a scoring guard.

He has played 71 total games over 2 years in tanking seasons.

Lets see how he looks on a serious team this year

[Brinbe]

I don't think IQ is worth the money we gave him. What's the expectation for him? Is he supposed to be an elite 3+D? We don't really give him much creation opportunity.

I think they'd ideally be hoping to get some semblence of this guy but they're not exactly putting him in that same position to push as a scoring guard.

He has played 71 total games over 2 years in tanking seasons.

Lets see how he looks on a serious team this year

that's reductive and lazy, c'mon. it's not about play, it's about role and how he's utilised as a point guard vs as a scoring guard which is what he was doing at his best as a knick.

[NotMyKawhi]

I do feel IQ and maybe Scottie might be the worst 2 contracts in the NBA

[Thaddy]

I think they'd ideally be hoping to get some semblence of this guy but they're not exactly putting him in that same position to push as a scoring guard.

He has played 71 total games over 2 years in tanking seasons.

Lets see how he looks on a serious team this year

that's reductive and lazy, c'mon. it's not about play, it's about role and how he's utilised as a point guard vs as a scoring guard which is what he was doing at his best as a knick.

13 points, 6 assists, bad defense and a few rebounds on career average percentages. Are you okay with that? Is that worth 30M?

[Tripod]

I do feel IQ and maybe Scottie might be the worst 2 contracts in the NBA

Then you need to watch more bball.

[YogurtProducer]

I think they'd ideally be hoping to get some semblence of this guy but they're not exactly putting him in that same position to push as a scoring guard.

He has played 71 total games over 2 years in tanking seasons.

Lets see how he looks on a serious team this year

that's reductive and lazy, c'mon. it's not about play, it's about role and how he's utilised as a point guard vs as a scoring guard which is what he was doing at his best as a knick.

It really isn't lazy.

It's simply pointing out his entire tenure as a Raptor has been being traded to a team who was in disarray and tanked (to end 2024), and then he was perpetually injured and we never even really saw him at all in 2025 due to how often he got weird injuries.

He averaged 19ppg per 36 as a Knick. He averages 21ppg per 36 as a Raptor.

13 points, 6 assists, bad defense and a few rebounds on career average percentages. Are you okay with that? Is that worth 30M?

Now THIS is reductive and lazy.

Averaged 18/6 as a Raptor (in only 30mpg), is FAR from a bad defender, and amongst PG"s is not "average" percentages in any way.

Oh, and he was a 22/5/5 guy as a starter in New York, which is what we should expect to see from him going forward as a guy who is not missing every 2nd game with weird injuries.

But hey - using context is hard.

[Thaddy]

He has played 71 total games over 2 years in tanking seasons.

Lets see how he looks on a serious team this year

that's reductive and lazy, c'mon. it's not about play, it's about role and how he's utilised as a point guard vs as a scoring guard which is what he was doing at his best as a knick.

It really isn't lazy.

It's simply pointing out his entire tenure as a Raptor has been being traded to a team who was in disarray and tanked (to end 2024), and then he was perpetually injured and we never even really saw him at all in 2025 due to how often he got weird injuries.

He averaged 19ppg per 36 as a Knick. He averages 21ppg per 36 as a Raptor.

13 points, 6 assists, bad defense and a few rebounds on career average percentages. Are you okay with that? Is that worth 30M?

Now THIS is reductive and lazy.

Averaged 18/6 as a Raptor (in only 30mpg), is FAR from a bad defender, and amongst PG"s is not "average" percentages in any way.

Oh, and he was a 22/5/5 guy as a starter in New York, which is what we should expect to see from him going forward as a guy who is not missing every 2nd game with weird injuries.

But hey - using context is hard.

I can tell you right now that with Ingram, RJ and Barnes ahead of him he isn't getting near 22 a game.

I hope you're right and we just win but I think his production will be fairly low. I don't think he's better than FVV and I wasn't a big fan of him either.

[mademan]

While I dont mind waiting to see if IQ lives up to his contract, it was obviously an overpay at the time. Guy had not done nearly enough to earn the contract he was given and Masai didnt read the new cap environment correctly. What he ended up getting paid wouldve been the high-end he couldve secured in RFA if he had actually succeeded last year. It was a bad swing and another unforced error

[YogurtProducer]

that's reductive and lazy, c'mon. it's not about play, it's about role and how he's utilised as a point guard vs as a scoring guard which is what he was doing at his best as a knick.

It really isn't lazy.

It's simply pointing out his entire tenure as a Raptor has been being traded to a team who was in disarray and tanked (to end 2024), and then he was perpetually injured and we never even really saw him at all in 2025 due to how often he got weird injuries.

He averaged 19ppg per 36 as a Knick. He averages 21ppg per 36 as a Raptor.

13 points, 6 assists, bad defense and a few rebounds on career average percentages. Are you okay with that? Is that worth 30M?

Now THIS is reductive and lazy.

Averaged 18/6 as a Raptor (in only 30mpg), is FAR from a bad defender, and amongst PG"s is not "average" percentages in any way.

Oh, and he was a 22/5/5 guy as a starter in New York, which is what we should expect to see from him going forward as a guy who is not missing every 2nd game with weird injuries.

But hey - using context is hard.

I can tell you right now that with Ingram, RJ and Barnes ahead of him he isn't getting near 22 a game.

I hope you're right and we just win but I think his production will be fairly low. I don't think he's better than FVV and I wasn't a big fan of him either.

Really nothing suggests Barnes is ahead of him, he is pretty clearly below, and Barrett to is no lock due to his lack of creation.

Reality is after BI, he’s our best on ball threat.

FWIW, he was a 22/5/7 per 36 guy last year. Just minutes were down due to being in and out of the lineup.

[Mark_83]

I think at some point we're going to have to move Scottie. We just need to find the right superstar to become available.

[hyper316]

I think at some point we're going to have to move Scottie. We just need to find the right superstar to become available.

Giannis

[DreamTeam09]

so after crapping on the Raptors since the Bi trade, Jake Fischer out out an article implying how trading for and extending the guy you want is the new norm and praised GS (butler trade) and the Raptors (BI trade) while poo pooing on RFA and how more teams have capspace next year but it might dry up with trades and extensions

[mtcan]

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Jeff Teague's podcast likes the Raptors as a dark horse and think BI is an all star in the East.