Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[OAKLEY_2]

The reality on the ground is that it is bad for the Raptors (in the long run) if BC tries to hold out on Bosh over a 6th year if Bosh does deceide to leave....especially to a team that can sign him as a FA.

I agree the player and agent have the upper hand. I also think if player and agent in this case Bosh and Thomas try to force a threat of "OK 5 years see ya" and divorce themselves from the machinations of players/picks/locations involved then the agent also burns a major bridge is this relationship as well. The Rashard Lewis signing will not be the precedent here. I am pretty sure for an extra year and maybe 30 million dollars they give the Raptors more options than the Rashard Lewis fiasco. I do not think the folks at MLSEL would think that the Lewis return was in any way protecting their investment. I also think the Raptors are not stupid enough to go past the deadline without some understanding for S+T. Not a chance. If Bosh and Co. were to have gone all cagey on them or pulled a Vince Carter he would have been gone at the deadline or last summer.

[OAKLEY_2]

Remember, if Bosh does choose to leave, he isn't going to want to see him new team gutted.

Extracting Johnson, Asik rights and 2 firsts is hardly gutting the new team.

[panthermark]

I agree the player and agent have the upper hand. I also think if player and agent in this case Bosh and Thomas try to force a threat of "OK 5 years see ya" and divorce themselves from the machinations of players/picks/locations involved then the agent also burns a major bridge is this relationship as well. The Rashard Lewis signing will not be the precedent here. I am pretty sure for an extra year and maybe 30 million dollars they give the Raptors more options than the Rashard Lewis fiasco. I do not think the folks at MLSEL would think that the Lewis return was in any way protecting their investment. I also think the Raptors are not stupid enough to go past the deadline without some understanding for S+T. Not a chance. If Bosh and Co. were to have gone all cagey on them or pulled a Vince Carter he would have been gone at the deadline or last summer.

The threat of Bosh for 5 years is already there. It seems as if people forget that Bosh will be an unrestricted FA this summer...barring some terrible injury that causes him not to opt out. Outside of that, the minute he opts out in late June, he is divorced from the situation. Come 12:01 a.m. on July 1st, the 5 year/$95M dollar offers will be there from 5 or 6 teams....including Chicago, NY, and Miami.

On Rashard Lewis....he was an unrestircted FA that agreed to a 5 year deal with Orlando. He then went back and asked the "Sonics", to S&T him for a 6th year. They obliged....and received a TPE and a conditional 2nd rounder for the extra couple of minutes it took in paperwork. They could have said no, but they would have looked like spiteful clowns. There would have been no good reason for them to say no. It isn't like they were the ones paying the 6th year....and it would have been foolish to pass on the TPE and 2nd rounder.

Same situation with BC. There is no good reason, and multiple bad reasons for BC to NOT S&T Bosh for a TPE if Bosh does choose to leave Toronto.

Extracting Johnson, Asik rights and 2 firsts is hardly gutting the new team.

Again, there is no reason for any of the teams with cap room to trade assets for Bosh if Bosh chooses to sign with them.

[ATLTimekeeper]

To Chicago for Taj Gibson, rights to Omer Asik, James Johnson, Charlotte's future 1st, TPE.

Gives us some more athleticism and defense, and a couple of future interests. We can let the TPE burn for all I care, but it might be a feather to hang onto at the deadline with our expirings.

Bulls fan here...

I have to ask....why would Chicago trade assets for Bosh? Unless Chicago is working on trying to get two major FA's, there is no need to make such a move.

"If" he chooses Chicago, he would be S&T'd for a TPE and a conditional future 2nd rounder. Same as Rashard Lewis. No other assets would be involved.

As far as what is best (and realistic) for the Raptors...I would say OKC has the best mix of assets and cap room. Probably a future first rounder, Nick Collison, and the TPE created. Remember, if Bosh does choose to leave, he isn't going to want to see him new team gutted.

The reality on the ground is that it is bad for the Raptors (in the long run) if BC tries to hold out on Bosh over a 6th year if Bosh does deceide to leave....especially to a team that can sign him as a FA. You don't tick off players, agents, and other GM's like that. The NBA goes beyond July of 2010, and it would be short-sighted to not see that.

You're trying to insinuate that the pressure on BC to make good with Bosh's agent is greater than the pressure on the Bulls to make a big free agent splash. I don't see it, personally. He's not some new GM that's trying to make a name for himself, and he has the reputation of being a class act and a generous spender.

[panthermark]

You're trying to insinuate that the pressure on BC to make good with Bosh's agent is greater than the pressure on the Bulls to make a big free agent splash. I don't see it, personally. He's not some new GM that's trying to make a name for himself, and he has the reputation of being a class act and a generous spender.

Not at all.....because it has nothing to do with any type of pressure on the Bulls FO (that would be NY's FO)....this is all about Bosh.
Let me put it like this. If Bosh chooses to go to Miami, there is no package that Chicago (or Houston, or OKC, or NY) can offer to Toronto to make Bosh change his mind about Miami....because it isn't about what Toronto wants in return, or about what another team can offer to Toronto....it is about what Bosh wants. Toronto could try to extract a pound of flesh from Miami....but there would be no reason for Miami to give up anything....because Bosh has already made up his mind about where he wants to go, and he's an unrestricted FA.

Now, if Bosh wants to go to a team without enough cap room to sign him (like Houston)....then BC has a little bit more leverage in asking for assets back.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

You're trying to insinuate that the pressure on BC to make good with Bosh's agent is greater than the pressure on the Bulls to make a big free agent splash. I don't see it, personally. He's not some new GM that's trying to make a name for himself, and he has the reputation of being a class act and a generous spender.

Not at all.....because it has nothing to do with any type of pressure on the Bulls FO (that would be NY's FO)....this is all about Bosh.
Let me put it like this. If Bosh chooses to go to Miami, there is no package that Chicago (or Houston, or OKC, or NY) can offer to Toronto to make Bosh change his mind about Miami....because it isn't about what Toronto wants in return, or about what another team can offer to Toronto....it is about what Bosh wants. Toronto could try to extract a pound of flesh from Miami....but there would be no reason for Miami to give up anything....because Bosh has already made up his mind about where he wants to go, and he's an unrestricted FA.

Now, if Bosh wants to go to a team without enough cap room to sign him (like Houston)....then BC has a little bit more leverage in asking for assets back.

Why wouldnt BC just take the 8mill in capspace and sign 1 or two pieces to a deal. Toronto has options. So Bosh will have to give a little to get and so will the GM from whichever team that Bosh chooses.

[panthermark]

Why wouldnt BC just take the 8mill in capspace and sign 1 or two pieces to a deal. Toronto has options. So Bosh will have to give a little to get and so will the GM from whichever team that Bosh chooses.

Since Toronto would be under the cap, to sign someone to a full $8M, you would have to waive your MLE, plus waive your Bird Rights to Amir and Wright. Plus, you have cap holds on Amir and Wright. I have not looked them up to see what their exact holds are...but you really don't have $8M to spend....you basically have the MLE>

Now if BC does the S&T, then he gets to keep the MLE, keeps the Bird Rights on Amir and Wright (to resign them while being over the cap), AND gets to be a semi-player in free agecny.

The $16.6M TPE is HUGE for Toronto. You are right at the level where being $7M-$8M under the cap does not help you.

This is why you want to work with GM's, players, and agents...instead of trying to spite them.

Let's say Amare and Bosh go to Miami and Chicago. By working with Bosh to get a TPE, BC can now go after Boozer. If Boozer is willing to come to Toronto, he can be S&T'd to Toronto with no real assets by using most of the TPE (maybe that conditional 2nd rounder...). Again, this is why you want to play nice with agents, players, and GM's....but you never know when you made need them. Let's say Boozer agrees to come to Tornoto for $15M a year, but the Jazz deceide to spite Boozer and ask you for multiple first round picks in return...even though they were going to lose Boozer for nothing anyway....forcing Boozer to go to NJ or Sac-Town....just to be @zzholes..(and missing out on a $15M TPE themselves).

[iffle]

You're trying to insinuate that the pressure on BC to make good with Bosh's agent is greater than the pressure on the Bulls to make a big free agent splash. I don't see it, personally. He's not some new GM that's trying to make a name for himself, and he has the reputation of being a class act and a generous spender.

Not at all.....because it has nothing to do with any type of pressure on the Bulls FO (that would be NY's FO)....this is all about Bosh.
Let me put it like this. If Bosh chooses to go to Miami, there is no package that Chicago (or Houston, or OKC, or NY) can offer to Toronto to make Bosh change his mind about Miami....because it isn't about what Toronto wants in return, or about what another team can offer to Toronto....it is about what Bosh wants. Toronto could try to extract a pound of flesh from Miami....but there would be no reason for Miami to give up anything....because Bosh has already made up his mind about where he wants to go, and he's an unrestricted FA.

Now, if Bosh wants to go to a team without enough cap room to sign him (like Houston)....then BC has a little bit more leverage in asking for assets back.

I agree with this. Except that I believe that the top tier UFAs, which Bosh considers himself, will command the destination and contract details. So, if Bosh decides he wants to go to Miami he will expect and demand that they perform a S&T with Toronto so he can get that extra year, assuming he wants it.

I may be wrong about this, but I think this is how it would play out for any guaranteed max UFA this summer.

[OAKLEY_2]

This is why you want to work with GM's, players, and agents...instead of trying to spite them.

This is why the conversation likely doesn't just start July 1 Like it seemed to with Turkoglu. BoshCo. already have a good idea what they are interested in and the extra year and 30 mil does not make the soon to be former team passive spectators. Bosh has said he expects any S+T to take time to work out particulars. Assets will come back either to create roster spaces or if teams wish to unload unwanted expiring or other contracts ie. Eddie Curry, Luol Deng. Maybe the Bulls do not want to give up picks nor does Pat Riley. As for Bosh's wishes I cannot see him not wanting to go to a big market nor can I see him not wanting to be 1 of 2 max players and scooping his extra 30. He wants that 30 mil and the extra year and so does the agent. It is incumbent on the both the agent and GM to come to a mutually satisfactory agreement. Let's say he really wants to be part of the Knicks big spree. If the Raptors agree to take Curry you will see some nominal assets fly of that I'm sure. Not every asset is a good asset. Take Deng's health and contract. Is that a solid asset going forward with a new maxed out player on the payroll? If the Bulls want to hang onto every "asset" they have they are not doing their job ditto any other team who covets a max star.

[Indeed]

This is why you want to work with GM's, players, and agents...instead of trying to spite them.

This is why the conversation likely doesn't just start July 1 Like it seemed to with Turkoglu. BoshCo. already have a good idea what they are interested in and the extra year and 30 mil does not make the soon to be former team passive spectators. Bosh has said he expects any S+T to take time to work out particulars. Assets will come back either to create roster spaces or if teams wish to unload unwanted expiring or other contracts ie. Eddie Curry, Luol Deng. Maybe the Bulls do not want to give up picks nor does Pat Riley. As for Bosh's wishes I cannot see him not wanting to go to a big market nor can I see him not wanting to be 1 of 2 max players and scooping his extra 30. He wants that 30 mil and the extra year and so does the agent. It is incumbent on the both the agent and GM to come to a mutually satisfactory agreement. Let's say he really wants to be part of the Knicks big spree. If the Raptors agree to take Curry you will see some nominal assets fly of that I'm sure. Not every asset is a good asset. Take Deng's health and contract. Is that a solid asset going forward with a new maxed out player on the payroll? If the Bulls want to hang onto every "asset" they have they are not doing their job ditto any other team who covets a max star.

Yet, Houston is the biggest market.
Ask LeBron and T-Mac how much he made on the Chinese market, you will know teaming with Yao is a good choice.

The reason Bosh wants more media attention is because of advertisement offerings. You just have to take some video shots in the off season, and you got a year salary.
So Chicago will not be the best place, as Rose has taken a lot of media attention already.

[chimpston17]

If San Antonio gets thrashed in the playoffs, think they may be open to a Bosh for Duncan S&T? San Antonio is getting older and they may feel they need to bring in some younger pieces if they cant compete with the wests top teams anymore, Bosh is a younger 20/10 pf and texas native.



Duncan/Amir/Reggie
Bargs/Amir/Reggie
Hedo/Weems
DeRozan/Weems/Belinelli
Jack/jose/Banks

And if this happened, then see if jose could be traded for a small forward, and bring in a back-up pg.If Bosh goes Id like to see bargs moved to pf and find a defensive, post, and rebounding presence. Then trading jose for a small forward, could help bring this team a little more balance defensivly. Yeah I doubt it, but its an idea, itd be nice

[FluLikeSymptoms]

If San Antonio gets thrashed in the playoffs, think they may be open to a Bosh for Duncan S&T?

You don't trade Tim Duncan, you name him Mayor.

Like to see Bosh for Blair, Splitter's rights and RJ's expiring deal or something, maybe De Colo's rights also or their 1st.

[Ripp]

I don't see why he would want to go to the Spurs. Unclear how much Tim Duncan has left in the tank...he hasn't looked good lately from what I've seen. If they'd acquired Bosh this past offseason, it'd have made a lot of sense. But as things stand, Spurs will need to rebuild in a year or two...don't see how it makes sense for either Bosh or SA to go there. Plus San Antonio is a tiny market.

[redred9]

I think more likely SA throws us Tony Parker rather than Duncan (especially how George Hill is developing), and I think Bosh would like that idea. I really think SA makes a run with that lineup next season if Tiago Splitter signs as well.

It would be nice if someone knocked the Lakers out early for us, so they put Bynum up for sale even if he is always injured, i would still gladly do that.

Houston will make an offer (maybe the NY pick), and I bet Dallas and Portland might try to acquire him as well. Bosh fits beautifully on all those rosters.

I think there will be lots of options for Bosh to play closer to home and on a contending team.


But if he wants to sacrafice all that extra money and a possible ring to walk to Miami so he can replace O'Neal then LOL to him. BC should just let him go in that case- we'll just start with rebuilding.

The only real way Bosh walks is if BC somehow insults him in the negotiation process, or if New York end up with Lebron- then all bets are off.

[Ripp]

I think more likely SA throws us Tony Parker rather than Duncan (especially how George Hill is developing), and I think Bosh would like that idea. I really think SA makes a run with that lineup next season if Tiago Splitter signs as well.

San Antonio is a really small market. If he is down for going there, then he'd also be open to a lot of other small-market teams (e.g., Bucks, Jazz, Kings, Warriors, NJ.) And if I'm CB and open to teams not in the limelight, then of those I'd just go to NJ. Bosh+Brook Lopez+Harris+NJ First rounder is a good team that makes deep playoff runs in the weak East for many, many years.

Also, the Spurs owner is not a rich guy...which means the team isn't likely to be willing to be deep in the luxury tax for many years.

Tim Duncan has slowed down dramatically...you can guard him in single coverage these days, and he isn't the elite defender imo that he once was. I'd say that he has maybe 1-2 more good years remaining. Does it really make sense for Bosh to trap himself with a team with a questionable future? Would be fairly idiotic for him to do.

BTW, they can't sign Splitter, since he wants more than the MLE.

[redred9]

Tiago Splitter wants the ENTIRE MLE over a number of years?? He's an idiot then! No one will pay him that. I doubt he would have the same impact as Scola has had- but he will play good defence I think.

I'm not sure if playing in a big market is a great concern for Bosh? San Antonio always gets on ESPN anyway, he would probably get more exposure there playing with Duncan than he gets in Canada (who i still rate btw- it's been Parker and Ginobilli who haven't gotten it done imo. Oh and Jefferson, who is their Hedo). Plus he will be pretty close to home. The Spurs also have great young talent in Hill and Blair.. Nando De Colo is nice as well, and of course Splitter if he doesn't want the MLE. That organization just knows how to collect talent- to think they could easily have had Scola as well.

But if the Spurs aren't willing to pay him, then that's something don't know anything about.

[34_fifty]

ME WANT BYNUM!!! although his injuries are a worry.

[FireColangelo]

Need another Colangelo interview. Off-season can't get here fast enough.

[Forza Barca]

I keep envisioning a Bosh to San Antonio scenerio.

The good thing is we can package Turk in with Bosh, as SA's window is closing with Duncan and a Parker-Hedo-Bosh-Duncan core is good for at least a couple more years, at least.

And we can involve a third team like Memphis or Golden State in there as well.

Raps
- OJ Mayo
- Thabeet

Warriors
- Blair
- Jefferson
- Antonio McDyess

Memphis
- Ellis

SA
- Bosh
- Hedo

Don't know if it works Salary wise, but a good proposition I think. Hedo and Bosh will definitely 100% accept a trade to San Antonio.

[gerrit4]

I keep envisioning a Bosh to San Antonio scenerio.

The good thing is we can package Turk in with Bosh, as SA's window is closing with Duncan and a Parker-Hedo-Bosh-Duncan core is good for at least a couple more years, at least.

And we can involve a third team like Memphis or Golden State in there as well.

Raps
- OJ Mayo
- Thabeet

Warriors
- Blair
- Jefferson
- Antonio McDyess

Memphis
- Ellis

SA
- Bosh
- Hedo

Don't know if it works Salary wise, but a good proposition I think. Hedo and Bosh will definitely 100% accept a trade to San Antonio.

Wait a minute, so GSW wouldn't trade Ellis for Mayo & Thabeet at the deadline but would trade him for Dejuan Blair's creaky knees, Richard Jefferson's bad contract and Antonio McDyess' icy corpse?