Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

[fredericklove]

I haven't seen Barnes play but from what I've read his main skill is an array of step-back shots, which remind me of Adam Morrison. Can anyone help dissuade me of this notion?

I see what you did there. Nice try. Why don't you go watch the game yourself before you accuse him of the Adam Morrison label?

[5DOM]

Offensively, Adam Morrison was better than Barnes in college, but knowing what we know now Barnes is probably a better prospect lol.

[sunny]

Morrison is the antithesis of Barnes lol.
If Barnes were more like Morrison, he'd be a much better prospect.

[sportsman]

My man Kabongo had another big game against Kansas with 14 points 10 assists. He's the perfect point guard for what we want to do here. He is a tenacious defender, is willing to make risky passes after first penetrating into the paint, and perhaps most importantly he has an outgoing 'star' personality that this team is really missing.

[Relentless88]

^I would love to nab Kabongo with a later pick. Of course, his stock could still rise and he still has top 10 potential.

[Man of Steel]

The most realistic situation that would Benefit us the most in the long run is trading one of our younger prospects (Bayless, Ed) for a pick to land us Kabongo, and using our pick to snag a small forward (PJ3, Barnes, or Gilchrist) or a talent at PF/C. Whilst Lamb and Beal are intriguing prospects, if we are picking in that range then we should take the better talent. Not likely that we can land two top ten picks and come out with a SG but we have a better chance of getting Kabongo, and I think he's a much better prospect than Bayless.

Edit: I think Kabongo is a much better PG prospect than Kabongo. In terms of scoring Bayless is definitely better but this team needs a PG that can defend AND distribute, as well as be able to play in both fast and slow pace.

[sunny]

The most realistic situation that would Benefit us the most in the long run is trading one of our younger prospects (Bayless, Ed) for a pick to land us Kabongo, and using our pick to snag a small forward (PJ3, Barnes, or Gilchrist) or a talent at PF/C. Whilst Lamb and Beal are intriguing prospects, if we are picking in that range then we should take the better talent. Not likely that we can land two top ten picks and come out with a SG but we have a better chance of getting Kabongo, and I think he's a much better prospect than Bayless.

Bayless was better in highschool than Myck.
Bayless was significantly better in college than Myck is.
Bayless was and continues to be a much better prospect than Myck. He just has not gotten an opportunity to shine in the nba yet.

[Man of Steel]

As a passer? I've seen him do some great drive and kick in stretches of games last season and if he does end up being worthy of the job then I'd love him as our PG. But his arms are rather small comparatively. He is good at getting to the line when he plays smart but Kabongo doesn't always need to slash to the basket in order to find an open man. Problem is this was supposed to be the season Bayless was evaluated and he

A) didn't get sufficient playing time early on
B) went down with an injury that he may be slowed down from.

[Rhettmatic]

Ford has a new post up comparing the swings in the draft:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... -nba-draft

[Reignman]

^ should be interesting, I'm having a hard time pegging Barnes, MKG and PJ3 as my #3, #4 and #5 guys.

Let's see if he considers PJ3 a SF option or a PF option.

[Kevin Willis]

Ford has a new post up comparing the swings in the draft:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... -nba-draft

Rhett - short summary on who they are who he thinks is the best of the lot.

[dagger]

Ford has a new post up comparing the swings in the draft:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... -nba-draft

Rhett - short summary on who they are who he thinks is the best of the lot.

Mostly repetitive blah-blah..

Some teams like Barnes more than Gilchrist, other teams like Gilchrist more than Barnes.

Doesn't mention Perry Jones because ( I presume) he sees him as a power forward.

At shooting guard, rates Beal slightly higher than Lamb, says some scouts see another Eric Gordon in him while Lamb's comp is maybe Richard Hamilton. But scouts are pretty divided.

[Rhettmatic]

Ford has a new post up comparing the swings in the draft:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... -nba-draft

Rhett - short summary on who they are who he thinks is the best of the lot.

The article actually isn't that informative, it's mainly stuff we already know. So without summarizing all the stuff he's written before...

- Matches up MKG (compares him to G. Wallace again) with Barnes (Granger/Deng), says scouts are fiercely debating which is better
- Matches up Beal (E. Gordon) and Lamb (Rip Hamilton), says scouts are pretty evenly divided there too but with the edge going to Beal at the moment

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Thanks, Rhettmatic.

[Dr Positivity]

I think Lamb is just a flat out better prospect than Barnes. Lamb is quicker on his feet and on the ball, is more freakish physically for his position, and what is the bball IQ/feel for the court and shooting that makes Barnes' hype is even more true for Lamb. I can see Lamb being a standout north south player enough to be a star, while I'd be surprised if Barnes wasn't the spot up 3pt shooting SF guy. I like Barnes but not over Lamb

Also Jared Sullinger continues to be underrated. The funny part about him is everyone knows he's underrated, everyone expects him to drop a 19 10 in the NBA with perfect character, and yet he's still going to go like 10th. The rarity and upside of skilled bigs continues to be the blind spot of GMs - there's much less skilled bigs than athletic ones. Might as well be called Jared Brook Monroe Jefferson Blair Sullinger at this point. I would go Sullinger over Barnes and MKG

[Rhettmatic]

I think Lamb is just a flat out better prospect than Barnes. Lamb is quicker on his feet and on the ball, is more freakish physically for his position, and what is the bball IQ/feel for the court and shooting that makes Barnes' hype is even more true for Lamb. I can see Lamb being a standout north south player enough to be a star, while I'd be surprised if Barnes wasn't the spot up 3pt shooting SF guy. I like Barnes but not over Lamb

Also Jared Sullinger continues to be underrated. The funny part about him is everyone knows he's underrated, everyone expects him to drop a 19 10 in the NBA with perfect character, and yet he's still going to go like 10th. The rarity and upside of skilled bigs continues to be the blind spot of GMs - there's much less skilled bigs than athletic ones. Might as well be called Jared Brook Monroe Jefferson Blair Sullinger at this point. I would go Sullinger over Barnes and MKG

I agree on the Lamb love, but why do you think Sullinger is underrated? He's ranked 4th on DX and 6th on ESPN.

I just don't think he gets talked about much here because Raptors fans seem generally not very keen on drafting a PF unless it's someone who's head-and-shoulders above the other available prospects.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Sullinger looks 6'6 to me.

I think the Rip comparison for Lamb is a bit lazy. He's playing off the ball a lot, even playing the 3 at times, partly because of the offense and partly because of chuckers Shabrick and Brickwright, but when he isos he is decidedly un-Rip-like. His range is already better, as is his handle. I think they're pretty different though certainly not all in Lamb's favor.

Lamb was better and more engaged early in the season when he was backing up Napier as well as starting at 2- and generally handling the ball more. If he slips to the lower-lotto we have to acquire a pick' and him, and laugh.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I'll tell you what, a Lamb/Barnes wing spot would be a thing of beauty. I'm still praying for that second pick.

[Reignman]

I think Lamb is just a flat out better prospect than Barnes. Lamb is quicker on his feet and on the ball, is more freakish physically for his position, and what is the bball IQ/feel for the court and shooting that makes Barnes' hype is even more true for Lamb. I can see Lamb being a standout north south player enough to be a star, while I'd be surprised if Barnes wasn't the spot up 3pt shooting SF guy. I like Barnes but not over Lamb

Also Jared Sullinger continues to be underrated. The funny part about him is everyone knows he's underrated, everyone expects him to drop a 19 10 in the NBA with perfect character, and yet he's still going to go like 10th. The rarity and upside of skilled bigs continues to be the blind spot of GMs - there's much less skilled bigs than athletic ones. Might as well be called Jared Brook Monroe Jefferson Blair Sullinger at this point. I would go Sullinger over Barnes and MKG

You can't compare Barnes and Lamb like that, 2 completely different types of players that will have 2 completely different roles in the NBA.

[Rhettmatic]

Sullinger looks 6'6 to me.

I think the Rip comparison for Lamb is a bit lazy. He's playing off the ball a lot, even playing the 3 at times, partly because of the offense and partly because of chuckers Shabrick and Brickwright, but when he isos he is decidedly un-Rip-like. His range is already better, as is his handle. I think they're pretty different though certainly not all in Lamb's favor.

Lamb was better and more engaged early in the season when he was backing up Napier as well as starting at 2- and generally handling the ball more. If he slips to the lower-lotto we have to acquire a pick' and him, and laugh.

Yeah, I don't like the Rip comparison at all either.