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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#321 » by J-Roc » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:03 am

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VanDamme wrote:I saw some posts suggest that he's not racist because he **** a colored girl, or that he employs black athletes/coaches etc. And that racism is hate and if he hated them he wouldn't do these things. This is not true, racism has many faces; some racists want to see others suffer. Some want to deny them civil rights. Some want to kill them. Some distance themselves from them. Some believe in what they were taught through the old version of the US Constitution. That white is the superior race, from this root of racism they will still employ and ****, colored people so long as they remain in the position of power. This is not a recognition of colored people as equals but only another way to exploit them. Unfortunately these people exist.

I didn't read every post so I hope someone else was able to clear that up.


There is one more form of racism. It's where a person wouldn't want their own child to date or marry someone who's of a different colour.


I don't think that's racist at all. I think people have a right to have a preference for who they want their kids to marry. If they feel a strong bond to their culture and ethnicity, why wouldn't they want their child and grandkids to remain a part of that group? If I want my son to marry a black girl does that really make me a racist? You may think so, but I most certainly don't.


You bring up an excellent point. Many people don't perceive themselves to be racist.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#322 » by VanDamme » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:07 am

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VanDamme wrote:I saw some posts suggest that he's not racist because he **** a colored girl, or that he employs black athletes/coaches etc. And that racism is hate and if he hated them he wouldn't do these things. This is not true, racism has many faces; some racists want to see others suffer. Some want to deny them civil rights. Some want to kill them. Some distance themselves from them. Some believe in what they were taught through the old version of the US Constitution. That white is the superior race, from this root of racism they will still employ and ****, colored people so long as they remain in the position of power. This is not a recognition of colored people as equals but only another way to exploit them. Unfortunately these people exist.

I didn't read every post so I hope someone else was able to clear that up.


There is one more form of racism. It's where a person wouldn't want their own child to date or marry someone who's of a different colour.


I don't think that's racist at all. I think people have a right to have a preference for who they want their kids to marry. If they feel a strong bond to their culture and ethnicity, why wouldn't they want their child and grandkids to remain a part of that group? If I want my son to marry a black girl does that really make me a racist? You may think so, but I most certainly don't.


There are many different ways to understand it. You could also say that because I only hire people of my own background I'm not being racist but just want my community to be successful. Clearly, there can be some gray area but at the end of the day it is discrimination. I should hire the best candidate. (without going too deep into this)

Your scenario of you wanting your son to marry a black girl is a little different. Let's say your son falls in love with a white girl and you say nope. Son, go find a black girl. That is discrimination and it's based on race.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#323 » by G R E Y » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:14 am

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Bluu wrote:Adam Silver would have to be a moron to pass up this career/business/legacy opportunity to lynch Donald Sterling at this press conference tonight.

Lynch. Interesting word choice. As it turns out, Silver took a measured response: the league condemns unequivocally the comments heard on the tape, but Silver will not proceed with sanctions unless and until it is proven that it's Sterling. There are things that can be done, and they will be done quickly, but understandably the NBA can't have a knee-jerk reaction that may backfire on the off chance that it's not him or whatever. In the meantime, the league can better prepare a unified owner stance, Silver talks to players so there's no us vs. them developing. People out for blood may not like it, but it's prudent and sets the tone for how things are handled, together, and in a smart way.

It may very well be that the gf is out for revenge, but that's really a non-issue for the matter at hand: did Sterling say what he did? If yes, then severe sanctions.


Yeah but did you catch him mention wanting to find out the context of the comments? Also, he already spoke with Sterling about not attending games. So, wasn't it real easy to ask, "Donald, was that you?" And the investigation is done.

Giving a few days means he's giving Sterling a chance to work this out.

Yep you saw my context response, so on to these points - no way Sterling says, 'Oh yeah it's all me, baby!" As crazy as he is, even in that tape he's careful not to say some things ie/ refuses to answer if it were ok if she went to the game with Bird instead of Magic lol

I wonder if the gf will be asked to take a polygraph about whether or not the tape was doctored in any way - that's the only 'context' I can imagine being in any way relevant. Sterling should take a polygraph too. Like people are just going to take his word for it.

By the way, people just openly talking about a phone call between the gf and the MARRIED Sterling is grating. How much do you have to have f'ed up in order for that to be glossed over like it's nothing? Wow...
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#324 » by J-Roc » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:14 am

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There is one more form of racism. It's where a person wouldn't want their own child to date or marry someone who's of a different colour.


I don't think that's racist at all. I think people have a right to have a preference for who they want their kids to marry. If they feel a strong bond to their culture and ethnicity, why wouldn't they want their child and grandkids to remain a part of that group? If I want my son to marry a black girl does that really make me a racist? You may think so, but I most certainly don't.


There are many different ways to understand it. You could also say that because I only hire people of my own background I'm not being racist but just want my community to be successful. Clearly, there can be some gray area but at the end of the day it is discrimination. I should hire the best candidate. (without going too deep into this)

Your scenario of you wanting your son to marry a black girl is a little different. Let's say your son falls in love with a white girl and you say nope. Son, go find a black girl. That is discrimination and it's based on race.


But what if you don't say anything, but deep down you know how you feel and have your preference? Is that any better? Rooting out racism isn't just about stopping people from acting on it. It's about eliminating those thoughts.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#325 » by 2pat » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:22 am

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There is one more form of racism. It's where a person wouldn't want their own child to date or marry someone who's of a different colour.


I don't think that's racist at all. I think people have a right to have a preference for who they want their kids to marry. If they feel a strong bond to their culture and ethnicity, why wouldn't they want their child and grandkids to remain a part of that group? If I want my son to marry a black girl does that really make me a racist? You may think so, but I most certainly don't.


There are many different ways to understand it. You could also say that because I only hire people of my own background I'm not being racist but just want my community to be successful. Clearly, there can be some gray area but at the end of the day it is discrimination. I should hire the best candidate. (without going too deep into this)

Your scenario of you wanting your son to marry a black girl is a little different. Let's say your son falls in love with a white girl and you say nope. Son, go find a black girl. That is discrimination and it's based on race.


As a business owner I should have the right to hire anyone I want. I shouldn't be forced to hire someone based on something as racist as "equal opportunity". Sorry, I think that is one of the worst forms of institutionalized racism happening today and does nothing to motivate people to succeed on the basis of their abilities. It also breeds resentment and creates more racism.

As for my son-- he will marry whoever he chooses and I will be completely fine with it. I may have a slight preference, based entirely on something as ridiculous as some kind of ideal I once had in my younger days, but that will not in any way stop me from accepting and loving whomever he chooses. I've dated women from many different backgrounds, I'd be a hypocrite if I felt any other way.

People don't seem to understand that we all discriminate. It's how we make decisions. We make assumptions. We prejudge. We have our right to these thoughts based simply on existing, and in the end even we don't fully know where they originate. It's a part of being human, and it has helped humans succeed as a species. We need to forego group mentalities and attachment to these groups as much as possible-- that is a cause of so many problems. Think as individuals, see yourself as individuals-- not some small part in a larger group, in the process losing your identity as just one single human being who never asked to be here.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#326 » by VanDamme » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:28 am

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I don't think that's racist at all. I think people have a right to have a preference for who they want their kids to marry. If they feel a strong bond to their culture and ethnicity, why wouldn't they want their child and grandkids to remain a part of that group? If I want my son to marry a black girl does that really make me a racist? You may think so, but I most certainly don't.


There are many different ways to understand it. You could also say that because I only hire people of my own background I'm not being racist but just want my community to be successful. Clearly, there can be some gray area but at the end of the day it is discrimination. I should hire the best candidate. (without going too deep into this)

Your scenario of you wanting your son to marry a black girl is a little different. Let's say your son falls in love with a white girl and you say nope. Son, go find a black girl. That is discrimination and it's based on race.


But what if you don't say anything, but deep down you know how you feel and have your preference? Is that any better? Rooting out racism isn't just about stopping people from acting on it. It's about eliminating those thoughts.


If you don't say anything... you haven't discriminated. I guess at some point I went down a different road with my post without realizing it and forgot to concentrate on racism. Which I understand to be different from discrimination.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#327 » by 2pat » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:28 am

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I don't think that's racist at all. I think people have a right to have a preference for who they want their kids to marry. If they feel a strong bond to their culture and ethnicity, why wouldn't they want their child and grandkids to remain a part of that group? If I want my son to marry a black girl does that really make me a racist? You may think so, but I most certainly don't.


There are many different ways to understand it. You could also say that because I only hire people of my own background I'm not being racist but just want my community to be successful. Clearly, there can be some gray area but at the end of the day it is discrimination. I should hire the best candidate. (without going too deep into this)

Your scenario of you wanting your son to marry a black girl is a little different. Let's say your son falls in love with a white girl and you say nope. Son, go find a black girl. That is discrimination and it's based on race.


But what if you don't say anything, but deep down you know how you feel and have your preference? Is that any better? Rooting out racism isn't just about stopping people from acting on it. It's about eliminating those thoughts.


You don't just eliminate thoughts. It doesn't happen that way. Our minds don't function that way. We don't even know where our thoughts originate and how the process works. We record information since before we are born, and for the entirety of our existence, that experience recorder is never shut off. We don't choose where we are born and to whom. We don't choose the experiences we have, yet our entire thought process is based on that experience. I have some experience with mental health issues, trust me when I tell you-- eliminating thoughts is one of the hardest thing a human being can do. This is why honesty about it is so important. So of course I can say to my son, it would be nice if you could meet a nice black girl, but that would be the fullest extent of it, and it would be an honest approach.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#328 » by Fairview4Life » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:32 am

2pat wrote:As a business owner I should have the right to hire anyone I want. I shouldn't be forced to hire someone based on something as racist as "equal opportunity". Sorry, I think that is one of the worst forms of institutionalized racism happening today and does nothing to motivate people to succeed on the basis of their abilities. It also breeds resentment and creates more racism.


You might think that, but it's not even close to being true.

Regardless, as a business owner you will be glad to learn that you can hire whoever you want. You just can't discriminate based on a few factors, like race. You are allowed to hire the best candidate for the job. Or even the worst. But if you hire a bunch of **** candidates from one gender or race, while ignoring better or even equally qualified candidates of another race, you are probably heading to court at some point. That isn't institutionalized racism. That is an institution combatting your racism.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#329 » by SnotoriousBIG » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:40 am

2pat wrote:
VanDamme wrote:
2pat wrote:
I don't think that's racist at all. I think people have a right to have a preference for who they want their kids to marry. If they feel a strong bond to their culture and ethnicity, why wouldn't they want their child and grandkids to remain a part of that group? If I want my son to marry a black girl does that really make me a racist? You may think so, but I most certainly don't.


There are many different ways to understand it. You could also say that because I only hire people of my own background I'm not being racist but just want my community to be successful. Clearly, there can be some gray area but at the end of the day it is discrimination. I should hire the best candidate. (without going too deep into this)

Your scenario of you wanting your son to marry a black girl is a little different. Let's say your son falls in love with a white girl and you say nope. Son, go find a black girl. That is discrimination and it's based on race.


As a business owner I should have the right to hire anyone I want. I shouldn't be forced to hire someone based on something as racist as "equal opportunity". Sorry, I think that is one of the worst forms of institutionalized racism happening today and does nothing to motivate people to succeed on the basis of their abilities. It also breeds resentment and creates more racism.

As for my son-- he will marry whoever he chooses and I will be completely fine with it. I may have a slight preference, based entirely on something as ridiculous as some kind of ideal I once had in my younger days, but that will not in any way stop me from accepting and loving whomever he chooses. I've dated women from many different backgrounds, I'd be a hypocrite if I felt any other way.

People don't seem to understand that we all discriminate. It's how we make decisions. We make assumptions. We prejudge. We have our right to these thoughts based simply on existing, and in the end even we don't fully know where they originate. It's a part of being human, and it has helped humans succeed as a species. We need to forego group mentalities and attachment to these groups as much as possible-- that is a cause of so many problems. Think as individuals, see yourself as individuals-- not some small part in a larger group, in the process losing your identity as just one single human being who never asked to be here.


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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#330 » by 2pat » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:40 am

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2pat wrote:As a business owner I should have the right to hire anyone I want. I shouldn't be forced to hire someone based on something as racist as "equal opportunity". Sorry, I think that is one of the worst forms of institutionalized racism happening today and does nothing to motivate people to succeed on the basis of their abilities. It also breeds resentment and creates more racism.


You might think that, but it's not even close to being true.

Regardless, as a business owner you will be glad to learn that you can hire whoever you want. You just can't discriminate based on a few factors, like race. You are allowed to hire the best candidate for the job. Or even the worst. But if you hire a bunch of **** candidates from one gender or race, while ignoring better or even equally qualified candidates of another race, you are probably heading to court at some point. That isn't institutionalized racism. That is an institution combatting your racism.


The institution breeds nothing other than more resentment, even if the intentions were noble. If I get hired for a job because I am black, and 10 other candidates with better qualifications did not, all of whom happen to be non-black, but I get hired because of some ridiculous quota that needs to be met-- guess what happens? The owner, the dejected rejects, all begin to think resentfully, and some will likely start to develop racist thoughts. As an owner, why shouldn't I hire only people with red hair and freckles? I want to hire them not based on their qualifications, but because I sympathize with some notion of them always being hated on, and I want them to feel good about themselves. I know my business will suffer, but my willingness to help them out trumps that. So why shouldn't I have that right?
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Post#331 » by Fairview4Life » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:44 am

Because we don't live in the Jim Crow south and the rest of the society you live in has decided your vision is not something to aspire to. Thankfully.

Your little hypothetical situation is pretty hilarious though. Do you have any idea why a quota might exist in the first place?
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Post#332 » by 2pat » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:48 am

Fairview4Life wrote:Because we don't live in the Jim Crow south and the rest of the society you live in has decided your vision is not something to aspire to. Thankfully.


Thanks for your brilliant insight.
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Post#333 » by 2pat » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:56 am

Fairview4Life wrote:Your little hypothetical situation is pretty hilarious though. Do you have any idea why a quota might exist in the first place?


Is there a quota in the NBA? What if they had a quota based on national demographics? Would that be fair to all the black ballers who are without doubt, the most qualified to be in the NBA? Wait, was that racist or was that realistic?
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#334 » by VanDamme » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:57 am

2pat wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
2pat wrote:As a business owner I should have the right to hire anyone I want. I shouldn't be forced to hire someone based on something as racist as "equal opportunity". Sorry, I think that is one of the worst forms of institutionalized racism happening today and does nothing to motivate people to succeed on the basis of their abilities. It also breeds resentment and creates more racism.


You might think that, but it's not even close to being true.

Regardless, as a business owner you will be glad to learn that you can hire whoever you want. You just can't discriminate based on a few factors, like race. You are allowed to hire the best candidate for the job. Or even the worst. But if you hire a bunch of **** candidates from one gender or race, while ignoring better or even equally qualified candidates of another race, you are probably heading to court at some point. That isn't institutionalized racism. That is an institution combatting your racism.


The institution breeds nothing other than more resentment, even if the intentions were noble. If I get hired for a job because I am black, and 10 other candidates with better qualifications did not, all of whom happen to be non-black, but I get hired because of some ridiculous quota that needs to be met-- guess what happens? The owner, the dejected rejects, all begin to think resentfully, and some will likely start to develop racist thoughts. As an owner, why shouldn't I hire only people with red hair and freckles? I want to hire them not based on their qualifications, but because I sympathize with some notion of them always being hated on, and I want them to feel good about themselves. I know my business will suffer, but my willingness to help them out trumps that. So why shouldn't I have that right?


To be denied a right you must have a right to begin with... historically non-whites did not even have a right to own a business to begin with, forget about hiring people. Maybe you can make an argument against equal opportunity today because at least there is a better distribution of business owners that aren't just white - which was not the case during and right after slavery where basically all business owners where white. To argue for or against equal opportunity you need to look at its roots I feel you're making your arguments and have made up your mind about it based on trivial information.

Without equal opportunity educational institutions (in the u.s.) would still be allowed to have all-white schools and deny entry to everyone else. I guess then you could go open up your own school with a loan from the bank so you can educate your community? Oh wait, banks don't need to treat you equally either so you can't rely on the bankers. Maybe you can work a well-paying job and save up, nope sorry, those are reserved for graduates of good schools, the ones that don't allow non-white students. You can't borrow money from your community because they are all in the same position as you are.

This was all true until equal opportunity was introduced and made law. Without it, we wouldn't be where we are today.

When you start speaking out quotas, you're talking about affirmative action.

As an owner, why shouldn't I hire only people with red hair and freckles? I want to hire them not based on their qualifications, but because I sympathize with some notion of them always being hated on, and I want them to feel good about themselves. I know my business will suffer, but my willingness to help them out trumps that. So why shouldn't I have that right?


What you just described is affirmative action. After attacking it, you have now come back to it and asked us why you can't hire people that are or have been discriminated against. That is affirmative action my friend. And to answer your question... you do have that right and you can thank equal opportunity for getting you that right.
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Post#335 » by Fairview4Life » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:57 am

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Fairview4Life wrote:Your little hypothetical situation is pretty hilarious though. Do you have any idea why a quota might exist in the first place?


Is there a quota in the NBA? What if they had a quota based on national demographics? Would that be fair to all the black ballers who are without doubt, the most qualified to be in the NBA? Wait, was that racist or was that realistic?


So no, you don't. That's all you had to say.
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Post#336 » by 2pat » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:58 am

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2pat wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:Your little hypothetical situation is pretty hilarious though. Do you have any idea why a quota might exist in the first place?


Is there a quota in the NBA? What if they had a quota based on national demographics? Would that be fair to all the black ballers who are without doubt, the most qualified to be in the NBA? Wait, was that racist or was that realistic?


So no, you don't. That's all you had to say.


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Post#337 » by Dukenukem23 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:05 am

Why was this recorded and brought public in the first place?
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Post#338 » by KnickerBonkerz » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:11 am

2pat wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
2pat wrote:
Is there a quota in the NBA? What if they had a quota based on national demographics? Would that be fair to all the black ballers who are without doubt, the most qualified to be in the NBA? Wait, was that racist or was that realistic?


So no, you don't. That's all you had to say.


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Post#339 » by KnickerBonkerz » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:12 am

Dukenukem23 wrote:Why was this recorded and brought public in the first place?

his girlfriend baited him into the whole thing for reasons unknown. My guess is she threatened to leak it once it was recorded and he didn't wanna pay her off
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Post#340 » by Wo1verine » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:17 am

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Dukenukem23 wrote:Why was this recorded and brought public in the first place?

his girlfriend baited him into the whole thing for reasons unknown. My guess is she threatened to leak it once it was recorded and he didn't wanna pay her off


TMZ paid her for the recording - So she still got an unknown amount of money for the leakage.
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