2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[Kabookalu]

That was 1 game I think. Ross could be good but he has horrible handles and passing abilities. Ross and JV are really a rookies. Casey did nothing in their rookie seasons. Next season is really a big one for JV and Ross.

It was two games. It was okay the first game because it was against Brooklyn and it was his first time having that much responsibilities on offense since college. The second game was against the frikkin' Magic and he still looked like the same passive player from a game ago. Plenty of times he could have drove to the rim but pulled it back out or settled for a jumpshot.

[cammac]

These are players that can contribute immediately for the Raptors at 20
#1 Anderson think he will be available most GMs scared to draft him but we can play him leading the second unit but would need to get Livingston as our back-up PG.
#2 Elfrid Payton he has the potential to be a Rondo type PG 6ft4 needs to develop a shot PG isn't our greatest need but would be our back-up PG
For potential
#1 Porzingis 7ft PF work well in future with Jonas still raw would need 2 years unlimited potential.
#2 Grant 6ft8 SF like Wiggins in a way top athlete , good defensively needs to develop his offensive game,

Who I don't want is McDaniels good player but 6ft6 we have enough small SFs

#39
#1 Inglis
#2 Bogdanovic

#59 Bachynski

Why on earth would drafting Anderson necessitate signing Livingston? If anything, Anderson should be surrounded by shooters and defenders. Vasquez might not be an elite defender but at least he's got a huge shooting advantage on Livingston.

Vasquez is a terrible defender and a poor shooter what he does have if height. Livingston is 6ft7 can guard 3 positions very well if you looked at Brooklyn series not the best shooter but doesn't demand the ball. Ross/Vince at SG can shoot, Anderson can shoot, Patterson can shoot and either Jonas or Bachynski can shoot. We would have a controlled offense rather than Vasquez playing the Lone Ranger.

[m83588333]

Everybody can hold off judgment until next season. But Ross is tricky because of his extension and we have DeMar and GV that can play SG.

[Double Helix]

Looking at the wings that seem most likely to be in play at our pick(all of whom are within 6 months of each other) here's how I see their biggest positives and negatives:

Kyle Anderson:
Biggest Positives: Length/skill/feel for the game that stars have. Can a player with that much length, skill, and feel fall completely on his face?
Biggest Negatives: Might be slower than Vasquez. What's his best position for defence? Seems to need the ball a lot to be most effective. Destined to be a 6th man?

Rodney Hood:
Biggest positives: Shoots the 3 like a specialist and has enough offensive game to be a capable third banana SF next to guards who can attack and pass. Combine testing suggests he may be more atheltic than he looks.
Biggest weakness: Defence is very concerning. Has solid SF size but didn't impress defensively at Duke.

KJ McDaniels:
Biggest positives: Elite wing defender upside with enough offensive versatility and motor to qualify as a legit 2-way player in the league.
Biggest weaknesses: 8'6 standing reach is just okay for a SF. The Joe Johnsons, Mellos, Batums these days are all 8'8.5+. his college 3 is just starting to become relevent. How long will it take for his NBA 3 to be the same?

TJ Warren:
Biggest positives: Has the size/length to match up with most big SFs. 8'8 standing reach. Unconventional mid-90s offensive style that could be good enough to be an acceptable 3rd banana SF. One of college basketball's top scorers and did it in the ACC.
Biggest weaknesses: Slow laterally. Average athlete for a very athletic position. 3 pointer looks good in practice but hasn't translated to games. Can he add more muscle to his impressive frame and commit himself more to defence? If he can't and you aren't leaning on him for a considerable amount of offence then what are you left with?

[Rapsfan07]

here's a thought say a team had too many picks this year and wanted to trade one for a pick in another year . What pick could we get with that NY pick ? A late first rounder ? early second rounder?

I'd really refrain from dealing the NY pick unless we're getting a bonafide star. I want us to make a run at KD in 2016 and that pick could be part a decent S&T should that be necessary. If not, that pick is a nice, cheap way to fill the bench.

Secondly, that pick is the worse of the DEN/NYK picks and who knows that the Nuggets or Knicks look like two years from now. So I'd hold on to it... At least for now.

Clippers could be interested in dealing their #28 to unload Dudley. Philly could be interested in moving #32 since they're already bringing in 3 first rounders and 5 second rounders. Phoenix might move #27 depending on the package too.


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[C_Money]

Does anybody know when the pre draft workouts start?

[SkywalkerAC]

These are players that can contribute immediately for the Raptors at 20
#1 Anderson think he will be available most GMs scared to draft him but we can play him leading the second unit but would need to get Livingston as our back-up PG.
#2 Elfrid Payton he has the potential to be a Rondo type PG 6ft4 needs to develop a shot PG isn't our greatest need but would be our back-up PG
For potential
#1 Porzingis 7ft PF work well in future with Jonas still raw would need 2 years unlimited potential.
#2 Grant 6ft8 SF like Wiggins in a way top athlete , good defensively needs to develop his offensive game,

Who I don't want is McDaniels good player but 6ft6 we have enough small SFs

#39
#1 Inglis
#2 Bogdanovic

#59 Bachynski

Why on earth would drafting Anderson necessitate signing Livingston? If anything, Anderson should be surrounded by shooters and defenders. Vasquez might not be an elite defender but at least he's got a huge shooting advantage on Livingston.

Vasquez is a terrible defender and a poor shooter what he does have if height. Livingston is 6ft7 can guard 3 positions very well if you looked at Brooklyn series not the best shooter but doesn't demand the ball. Ross/Vince at SG can shoot, Anderson can shoot, Patterson can shoot and either Jonas or Bachynski can shoot. We would have a controlled offense rather than Vasquez playing the Lone Ranger.

Livingston is nice and all, especially as a defender, it's just pretty arbitrary saying that is what we'd need next to Anderson, especially when their games are actually pretty similar. Point guard is not a priority, we still have 5 on the roster.

[OAKLEY_2]

Looking at the wings that seem most likely to be in play at our pick(all of whom are within 6 months of each other) here's how I see their biggest positives and negatives:

Kyle Anderson:
Biggest Positives: Length/skill/feel for the game that stars have. Can a player with that much length, skill, and feel fall completely on his face?
Biggest Negatives: Might be slower than Vasquez. What's his best position for defence? Seems to need the ball a lot to be most effective. Destined to be a 6th man?

Rodney Hood:
Biggest positives: Shoots the 3 like a specialist and has enough offensive game to be a capable third banana SF next to guards who can attack and pass. Combine testing suggests he may be more atheltic than he looks.
Biggest weakness: Defence is very concerning. Has solid SF size but didn't impress defensively at Duke.

KJ McDaniels:
Biggest positives: Elite wing defender upside with enough offensive versatility and motor to qualify as a legit 2-way player in the league.
Biggest weaknesses: 8'6 standing reach is just okay for a SF. The Joe Johnsons, Mellos, Batums these days are all 8'8.5+. his college 3 is just starting to become relevent. How long will it take for his NBA 3 to be the same?

TJ Warren:
Biggest positives: Has the size/length to match up with most big SFs. 8'8 standing reach. Unconventional mid-90s offensive style that could be good enough to be an acceptable 3rd banana SF. One of college basketball's top scorers and did it in the ACC.
Biggest weaknesses: Slow laterally. Average athlete for a very athletic position. 3 pointer looks good in practice but hasn't translated to games. Can he add more muscle to his impressive frame and commit himself more to defence? If he can't and you aren't leaning on him for a considerable amount of offence then what are you left with?

This breakdown while good, presupposes we need to draft a small forward continuing the small forward obsession. It may well turn out that after workouts Payton, a guard, has way more game and upside than any of the players listed here. Meaning Grievous is not a must keep. Or, Payne just brings too many skills to the table and Patterson can be paid by someone else. Having said all that if Kyle Anderson was available at 20 I'd grab him. He is too versatile a player not to take a flyer on. Imagine him working on strength. He could be Ross's back-up and he could be a small ball PF who can shoot. I also think he would be a better person to have the ball with pressure from a press.

[Double Helix]

Looking at the wings that seem most likely to be in play at our pick(all of whom are within 6 months of each other) here's how I see their biggest positives and negatives:

Kyle Anderson:
Biggest Positives: Length/skill/feel for the game that stars have. Can a player with that much length, skill, and feel fall completely on his face?
Biggest Negatives: Might be slower than Vasquez. What's his best position for defence? Seems to need the ball a lot to be most effective. Destined to be a 6th man?

Rodney Hood:
Biggest positives: Shoots the 3 like a specialist and has enough offensive game to be a capable third banana SF next to guards who can attack and pass. Combine testing suggests he may be more atheltic than he looks.
Biggest weakness: Defence is very concerning. Has solid SF size but didn't impress defensively at Duke.

KJ McDaniels:
Biggest positives: Elite wing defender upside with enough offensive versatility and motor to qualify as a legit 2-way player in the league.
Biggest weaknesses: 8'6 standing reach is just okay for a SF. The Joe Johnsons, Mellos, Batums these days are all 8'8.5+. his college 3 is just starting to become relevent. How long will it take for his NBA 3 to be the same?

TJ Warren:
Biggest positives: Has the size/length to match up with most big SFs. 8'8 standing reach. Unconventional mid-90s offensive style that could be good enough to be an acceptable 3rd banana SF. One of college basketball's top scorers and did it in the ACC.
Biggest weaknesses: Slow laterally. Average athlete for a very athletic position. 3 pointer looks good in practice but hasn't translated to games. Can he add more muscle to his impressive frame and commit himself more to defence? If he can't and you aren't leaning on him for a considerable amount of offence then what are you left with?

This breakdown while good, presupposes we need to draft a small forward continuing the small forward obsession. It may well turn out that after workouts Payton, a guard, has way more game and upside than any of the players listed here. Meaning Grievous is not a must keep. Or, Payne just brings too many skills to the table and Patterson can be paid by someone else. Having said all that if Kyle Anderson was available at 20 I'd grab him. He is too versatile a player not to take a flyer on. Imagine him working on strength. He could be Ross's back-up and he could be a small ball PF who can shoot. I also think he would be a better person to have the ball with pressure from a press.

I only did wings because I had spent a lot of time analyzing them recently. I might later do something similar with PGs and bigs.

[Chriscross]

The difference between say 10-25 (roughly) isn't that huge

There will be players who drop that we didn't expect. Question is, who?

I am interested to see where Ennis, McDermott and Anderson end up. I could see them going as high as Top 10 or drop down to the 20s

[SkywalkerAC]

Love Aaron Gordon, but I think of him as 3. In the NBA it's the position you can defend and he's not big enough to defend 4s, but he's quick enough to defend NBA SF.

Not big enough for the 4? I don't know where people get this stuff. This isn't the 90s; the 4 is not really a big-man position anymore. He's not a 3.

[Roland Brice]

The difference between say 10-25 (roughly) isn't that huge

There will be players who drop that we didn't expect. Question is, who?

I am interested to see where Ennis, McDermott and Anderson end up. I could see them going as high as Top 10 or drop down to the 20s

With how evenly matched players seem to be ranked between the 10-25 range it wouldn't even be surprising if everything flips upside down and guys ranked 10th go 20-25, or guys ranked 25th go 10-15. I can see someone like Payne rising into a lottery selection, or even Capela, LaVine and Hairston. Guys I could see dropping are James Young, Gary Harris and Rodney Hood.

[Indeed]

Why on earth would drafting Anderson necessitate signing Livingston? If anything, Anderson should be surrounded by shooters and defenders. Vasquez might not be an elite defender but at least he's got a huge shooting advantage on Livingston.

Vasquez is a terrible defender and a poor shooter what he does have if height. Livingston is 6ft7 can guard 3 positions very well if you looked at Brooklyn series not the best shooter but doesn't demand the ball. Ross/Vince at SG can shoot, Anderson can shoot, Patterson can shoot and either Jonas or Bachynski can shoot. We would have a controlled offense rather than Vasquez playing the Lone Ranger.

Livingston is nice and all, especially as a defender, it's just pretty arbitrary saying that is what we'd need next to Anderson, especially when their games are actually pretty similar. Point guard is not a priority, we still have 5 on the roster.

Vasquez is better than Livingston. Vasquez is a very good shooter, he can take a pull up 3 if defender goes under/gives him the room. Vasquez has been the key for us off the bench and good chemistry with Patterson. Both are smart players. Vasquez also helps Lowry a lot as the secondary ball handler. As we can't trust DeRozan and Ross (yet), Vasquez is the reason our turnover rate reduced after game 2 of the playoffs.

[Indeed]

Looking at the wings that seem most likely to be in play at our pick(all of whom are within 6 months of each other) here's how I see their biggest positives and negatives:

Kyle Anderson:
Biggest Positives: Length/skill/feel for the game that stars have. Can a player with that much length, skill, and feel fall completely on his face?
Biggest Negatives: Might be slower than Vasquez. What's his best position for defence? Seems to need the ball a lot to be most effective. Destined to be a 6th man?

Rodney Hood:
Biggest positives: Shoots the 3 like a specialist and has enough offensive game to be a capable third banana SF next to guards who can attack and pass. Combine testing suggests he may be more atheltic than he looks.
Biggest weakness: Defence is very concerning. Has solid SF size but didn't impress defensively at Duke.

KJ McDaniels:
Biggest positives: Elite wing defender upside with enough offensive versatility and motor to qualify as a legit 2-way player in the league.
Biggest weaknesses: 8'6 standing reach is just okay for a SF. The Joe Johnsons, Mellos, Batums these days are all 8'8.5+. his college 3 is just starting to become relevent. How long will it take for his NBA 3 to be the same?

TJ Warren:
Biggest positives: Has the size/length to match up with most big SFs. 8'8 standing reach. Unconventional mid-90s offensive style that could be good enough to be an acceptable 3rd banana SF. One of college basketball's top scorers and did it in the ACC.
Biggest weaknesses: Slow laterally. Average athlete for a very athletic position. 3 pointer looks good in practice but hasn't translated to games. Can he add more muscle to his impressive frame and commit himself more to defence? If he can't and you aren't leaning on him for a considerable amount of offence then what are you left with?

You forgot about Grant?
Some people may be interested in Glenn Robinson III, but I feel he is a SG due to his wingspan and standing reach.

Meanwhile, if you are including McDaniels (8'6 standing reach) and Hood (8'7 standing reach), you may want to consider Bogdan Bogdanovic (8'8 standing reach). They are all at the same age.

[Risk101]

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That's jizz worthy right there, wow! 3 future hof's and that's not just based on measurements. Embiids is a freaking monster....

[Raptorfan2012]

here's a thought say a team had too many picks this year and wanted to trade one for a pick in another year . What pick could we get with that NY pick ? A late first rounder ? early second rounder?

I'd really refrain from dealing the NY pick unless we're getting a bonafide star. I want us to make a run at KD in 2016 and that pick could be part a decent S&T should that be necessary. If not, that pick is a nice, cheap way to fill the bench.

Secondly, that pick is the worse of the DEN/NYK picks and who knows that the Nuggets or Knicks look like two years from now. So I'd hold on to it... At least for now.

Clippers could be interested in dealing their #28 to unload Dudley. Philly could be interested in moving #32 since they're already bringing in 3 first rounders and 5 second rounders. Phoenix might move #27 depending on the package too.


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I like the Clippers trade with Dudley and the 28th pick for TPE and maybe the 37.

Dudley is basically what Landry Fields should have been - a decent SF and a good glue guy for the locker room. He is big enough to handle the big wings Ross could not handle and he is not that expensive. Meanwhile we have the 28th pick to grab Inglis, while the 20 could be used for a pg like Innis or Payton or a big like Payne or Caplia. Good reasonable move

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Embiid, if he can just stay healthy, is going to be a HOF C. No doubt about it.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Love Aaron Gordon, but I think of him as 3. In the NBA it's the position you can defend and he's not big enough to defend 4s, but he's quick enough to defend NBA SF.

Not big enough for the 4? I don't know where people get this stuff. This isn't the 90s; the 4 is not really a big-man position anymore. He's not a 3.

The thing about Gordon though, is that he can defend 3s too, if need be. Casey would love Gordon, because of his defensive versatility.

[Roland Brice]

Embiid, if he can just stay healthy, is going to be a HOF C. No doubt about it.

Hopefully he can stay healthy. It's going to suck if he's just another great Centre this generation misses out on because of injuries, like Greg Oden. We've been jipped of one HOF Centre, please don't make it two basketball Gods!!!