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Post#321 » by casual_raps_fan » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:51 am

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Dalek wrote:I know most people are leaning on size and athleticism, but looking at overall growth, court awareness, scoring and quick burst, it is hard to ignore Devon Dotson.



He really reminds me of VanVleet in college with better speed and finishing ability.

In the clip you see him attacking the basket and kicking out to shooters, strip ballhandlers on defense, make post entry passes and be a one man fastbreak.

Despite looking about 6-1 he plays bigger than his size. It is mainly about playing with an edge. You can tell this guy would fit in here.


I think he's closer to Lowry in college. VanVleet was a subpar athlete, this kid plays a very athletic game and thrives in the paint. Definitely cut from the same cloth as these guys and has that "winner" vibe.


I could see that. I just like how this kid just plays with zero fear. I think he ends up a first rounder with a good tournament.

I think fit wise he would be great. He would be a back up PG/SG that is pure speed. Long-term he could be a nice fit in Toronto to be mentored under KLow and FVV.

I must be missing something you guys are seeing here.

He looks solid and competitive but for the NBA, his game looks to be missing a good jumper. Do you guys think he can improve his jumper?
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Post#322 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:44 am

Take this in guys, college statistics for two very similar players. Player A is currently one of the elite talents we have in the NBA, and player B is someone who will hear their name called for this 2020 draft but isn't ranked as a high end lottery pick.

Player A______Player B

MPG: 35.8____MPG: 33.9
PPG: 20.1____PPG: 22.0
RPG: 5.6_____RPG: 5.5
AST: 4.2_____AST: 3.4
STL: 1.7_____STL: 1.6
TO: 3.4______TO: 3.2
FG%: .489____FG%: .453
3P%: .356____3P%: .351
USG: 32.6____USG: 31.6
BPM: 9.4_____BPM: 8.4
TS%: 60.7____TS%: 61.4

Player A played in 35 games and took 270 free throw attempts (76%)

Player B played in 31 games and took 282 free throw attempts (82%)


Would you draft player B knowing that player A is currently an MVP level talent in the NBA?
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Post#323 » by Indeed » Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:44 am

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i'd argue hes an elite big man passer tbh, can pass at a high level from any situation you'd want from a big. Post, Elbow, Short Roll etc

Heres a good snapshot
Read on Twitter

This guy is projected as a late 2nd? I must be missing something because he looks really good to me.

He checks all the boxes on the defensive end to be a good defender and he also is showing he can move the ball well from the center position. Sounds like a nice role player for any team in the NBA.


He's a 3rd-year college player and will be 21 during the draft so he gets bumped down due to that, if he was doing this as a freshman he'd def be a lottery pick.

I think ESPN is too low on him though, the Athletic has him at 32 which i think is much more reasonable


Perhaps lack of lateral quickness, maybe a concern switching against guards? I think he reduced weight and became quicker, and shall see based on the draft combine measurement (if it will happen this year).
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Post#324 » by Indeed » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:32 am

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You really think Thomas and Boucher are going to be in the rotation?

It felt like Nurse wasn't happy with Boucher this season. He can play but he doesn't bring the things Nurse likes (on court awareness, consistency). I don't even think he will be brought back.

Thomas hasn't really shown that he is able to stay on the court aside from specific situations. His shooting is nice and his defence has
improved but he still lacks the ability to get his shot off consistently and is still a pretty big liability on defence.

Even TD I wonder. He's obviously one of our most talented prospects but there are so many guys ahead of him in the rotation who are way more reliable than him (Lowry, Fred, Norm). He will get the leftover minutes but if he doesn't gain Nurse's trust, we can expect to see heavy minutes from Lowry, Fred, Norm again (even McCaw).



I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bring Boucher back at all tbh, he's okay but at his age too inconsistent, I think we can get a better prospect to replace him either via draft or free agency that give us roughly the same production. Thomas' limited athleticism makes it hard to project too much growth defensively, maybe increased awareness can help but probably remains a specialist.

Already stated not I'm not that high on Brisset, not sure what to make of Watson either since we haven't seen him play any NBA minutes.

I'd be disappointed if TD wasn't a rotation player next season, I think he's got big talent and he will be more consistent on both ends next year? (or whenever the NBA is back)

I expect McCaw to be more or less the same next year hopefully he grows his offensive aggression a little to at least Delon levels (which isn't asking much tbh)

Stanley Johnson is also on contract but he's gotta find some way to provide offensive value to crack our rotation, maybe an entire year working with our staff will have him ready for the next season ??



I think they will bring back Boucher for cheap, as we lack bigs. Replacement may not be any better at 1.5m, and most likely worse.

As for Thomas, he will most likely be a specialist, and he takes a pay cut to get some NBA experience.

Brisset is rather close being a 3+D, perhaps more experience on the defensive end and try to make 3s more consistently in the next 2 years. Being a 3+D at SF will have a place in the league regardless of the offense. Some injuries may get him more minutes.

McCaw seems to be playing at the same position as Powell. I think he is the insurance of VanVleet, and could be the odd man out from the group of Lowry, VanVleet, Powell, Davis if we re-sign VanVleet.

The biggest question could be RHJ
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Post#325 » by HeadtopChunes » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:46 am

Indeed wrote:
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casual_raps_fan wrote:This guy is projected as a late 2nd? I must be missing something because he looks really good to me.

He checks all the boxes on the defensive end to be a good defender and he also is showing he can move the ball well from the center position. Sounds like a nice role player for any team in the NBA.


He's a 3rd-year college player and will be 21 during the draft so he gets bumped down due to that, if he was doing this as a freshman he'd def be a lottery pick.

I think ESPN is too low on him though, the Athletic has him at 32 which i think is much more reasonable


Perhaps lack of lateral quickness, maybe a concern switching against guards? I think he reduced weight and became quicker, and shall see based on the draft combine measurement (if it will happen this year).


I think he can move quite well for his size, footwork and technique need cleaning up but he should be able to switch in a pinch,

Heres an example

Read on Twitter
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Defensive concerns would be more size based than movement based 6'8 and 7'1 wingspan, concern about being able to protect the rim at as a 5 would be valid especially without great vertical explosion, will need to rely heavily on IQ. Which he has been successful at thus far.
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Post#326 » by HeadtopChunes » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:52 am

Indeed wrote:
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casual_raps_fan wrote:You really think Thomas and Boucher are going to be in the rotation?

It felt like Nurse wasn't happy with Boucher this season. He can play but he doesn't bring the things Nurse likes (on court awareness, consistency). I don't even think he will be brought back.

Thomas hasn't really shown that he is able to stay on the court aside from specific situations. His shooting is nice and his defence has
improved but he still lacks the ability to get his shot off consistently and is still a pretty big liability on defence.

Even TD I wonder. He's obviously one of our most talented prospects but there are so many guys ahead of him in the rotation who are way more reliable than him (Lowry, Fred, Norm). He will get the leftover minutes but if he doesn't gain Nurse's trust, we can expect to see heavy minutes from Lowry, Fred, Norm again (even McCaw).



I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bring Boucher back at all tbh, he's okay but at his age too inconsistent, I think we can get a better prospect to replace him either via draft or free agency that give us roughly the same production. Thomas' limited athleticism makes it hard to project too much growth defensively, maybe increased awareness can help but probably remains a specialist.

Already stated not I'm not that high on Brisset, not sure what to make of Watson either since we haven't seen him play any NBA minutes.

I'd be disappointed if TD wasn't a rotation player next season, I think he's got big talent and he will be more consistent on both ends next year? (or whenever the NBA is back)

I expect McCaw to be more or less the same next year hopefully he grows his offensive aggression a little to at least Delon levels (which isn't asking much tbh)

Stanley Johnson is also on contract but he's gotta find some way to provide offensive value to crack our rotation, maybe an entire year working with our staff will have him ready for the next season ??



I think they will bring back Boucher for cheap, as we lack bigs. Replacement may not be any better at 1.5m, and most likely worse.

As for Thomas, he will most likely be a specialist, and he takes a pay cut to get some NBA experience.

Brisset is rather close being a 3+D, perhaps more experience on the defensive end and try to make 3s more consistently in the next 2 years. Being a 3+D at SF will have a place in the league regardless of the offense. Some injuries may get him more minutes.

McCaw seems to be playing at the same position as Powell. I think he is the insurance of VanVleet, and could be the odd man out from the group of Lowry, VanVleet, Powell, Davis if we re-sign VanVleet.

The biggest question could be RHJ


The replacement level for bigs is high I think we could find a decent prospect or player for about the same price. Wonder if Boucher leaves voluntarily to find more playing time on a different team.

I don't think Brisset is close really, not a believer in his shooting so far, 20% from 3 in the NBA, 28% from 3 in the GLeague. Bad finishing numbers is also a concern. He's a good energy player for the regular season but i don't see a rotation player. The defense is decent but it needs to be elite to be worth keeping Brisset on the court.

RHJ is a free agent, we'd probably bring him back, decent bench depth. Not a guy I want to get minutes in the playoffs though, the offense is quite bad.
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Post#327 » by JShuttlesworth » Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:58 pm

If we ended up with Dotson with our 1st Pick I wouldn't be mad.

He has a nice game to him, and he could definitely be available because he'll be underrated because of his stature / game, no different than Lowry and VanVleet.

Lowry / Fred / Dotson would make us hella deep at the guard position and would hopefully allow for a smooth transition if Lowry signs elsewhere. Otherwise Dotson would get a few years to learn from one of the best before he retires.

Depending on how things shake out, we might even be able to get a decent pick in the 2nd Round.
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Post#328 » by HeadtopChunes » Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:16 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Take this in guys, college statistics for two very similar players. Player A is currently one of the elite talents we have in the NBA, and player B is someone who will hear their name called for this 2020 draft but isn't ranked as a high end lottery pick.

Player A______Player B

MPG: 35.8____MPG: 33.9
PPG: 20.1____PPG: 22.0
RPG: 5.6_____RPG: 5.5
AST: 4.2_____AST: 3.4
STL: 1.7_____STL: 1.6
TO: 3.4______TO: 3.2
FG%: .489____FG%: .453
3P%: .356____3P%: .351
USG: 32.6____USG: 31.6
BPM: 9.4_____BPM: 8.4
TS%: 60.7____TS%: 61.4

Player A played in 35 games and took 270 free throw attempts (76%)

Player B played in 31 games and took 282 free throw attempts (82%)


Would you draft player B knowing that player A is currently an MVP level talent in the NBA?


Impressive statistical profile but I don't think you can draft on stats alone, there's a ton of guards that dominate college but don't have the physical tools to do it in the NBA.

Just based on this is a high usage player, what happens if that usage isn't justified at the next level? Can he provide offensive and defensive value without it? Can he create advantages over bigger and better competition?
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Post#329 » by Indeed » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:59 pm

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Indeed wrote:
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I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bring Boucher back at all tbh, he's okay but at his age too inconsistent, I think we can get a better prospect to replace him either via draft or free agency that give us roughly the same production. Thomas' limited athleticism makes it hard to project too much growth defensively, maybe increased awareness can help but probably remains a specialist.

Already stated not I'm not that high on Brisset, not sure what to make of Watson either since we haven't seen him play any NBA minutes.

I'd be disappointed if TD wasn't a rotation player next season, I think he's got big talent and he will be more consistent on both ends next year? (or whenever the NBA is back)

I expect McCaw to be more or less the same next year hopefully he grows his offensive aggression a little to at least Delon levels (which isn't asking much tbh)

Stanley Johnson is also on contract but he's gotta find some way to provide offensive value to crack our rotation, maybe an entire year working with our staff will have him ready for the next season ??



I think they will bring back Boucher for cheap, as we lack bigs. Replacement may not be any better at 1.5m, and most likely worse.

As for Thomas, he will most likely be a specialist, and he takes a pay cut to get some NBA experience.

Brisset is rather close being a 3+D, perhaps more experience on the defensive end and try to make 3s more consistently in the next 2 years. Being a 3+D at SF will have a place in the league regardless of the offense. Some injuries may get him more minutes.

McCaw seems to be playing at the same position as Powell. I think he is the insurance of VanVleet, and could be the odd man out from the group of Lowry, VanVleet, Powell, Davis if we re-sign VanVleet.

The biggest question could be RHJ


The replacement level for bigs is high I think we could find a decent prospect or player for about the same price. Wonder if Boucher leaves voluntarily to find more playing time on a different team.

I don't think Brisset is close really, not a believer in his shooting so far, 20% from 3 in the NBA, 28% from 3 in the GLeague. Bad finishing numbers is also a concern. He's a good energy player for the regular season but i don't see a rotation player. The defense is decent but it needs to be elite to be worth keeping Brisset on the court.

RHJ is a free agent, we'd probably bring him back, decent bench depth. Not a guy I want to get minutes in the playoffs though, the offense is quite bad.


My thought on RHJ is that he is limited in some situation, unless he can improve his jump shot, it is rather challenging on offense. Furthermore, as both Ibaka and Gasol are being FA this summer, we are uncertain for having a stretch 5. Particularly it does not seem Gasol can be durable for half of a season, I am unsure how much we could afford him for that, and I do not feel RHJ can handle the C spot.

As for replacement level for bigs, I don't think any decent prospect would be a G-League MVP. I think we will have Boucher for another year to understand if he can get to the next level. Acquiring a stretch big with shot blocking and lateral quickness is not easy. Meanwhile, Dewan Hernadez who we drafted last year is not even close to where Boucher is at, and I would not expect us to find any better replacement.

Anyway, I think we will need to address the C spot, as I expect we will re-sign VanVleet and either Ibaka or Gasol (probably Ibaka). Having a traditional defensive C like Gasol who can stretch the floor could be our priority, just unsure we will do it through the draft, FA (Aron Barynes, Meyers Leonard, Alex Len, etc.) or both. I suppose we might draft a C, but not necessarily ready for next season.
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Post#330 » by Mark_83 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:24 am

If we go big I want:

Smith
Reed
Oturu
Tillman

If we go wing:

Nesmith
Vassell
T. Bey
S. Bey
P. Williams
Green
Woodard


If we go guard:

Joe
Ramsey
Lewis
Dotson
Winston
Stanley
Howard
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Post#331 » by Mark_83 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:01 am

https://sports.yahoo.com/2020-nba-mock-draft-2-182504378.html

26. XAVIER TILLMAN, Michigan State
Details: 21 years old, 6-foot-8, 245 lbs
Key Stats: 13.7 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 3.0 apg, 2.1 bpg, 1.2 spg

I may be out on a limb here, but I truly believe that Tillman is worth a first round pick, especially in this year’s draft class. There’s really two reasons for this: For starters, he is a terrific passer. No one in college basketball is better than making the right play in a 4-on-3 scenario when the defense traps a pick-and-roll ball-handler than Tillman. But he is also an excellent defender that can really read the game. Talk to people around the Michigan State program and they’ll tell you he ran everything defensively. It was his voice that teammates heard. Now, the major question mark is his size. At just 6-foot-8, can he defend fives? Is he quick enough to play the four? If we knew for a fact that the answer to both of those questions would be ‘yes, and he can do it very well,’ I would have him slotted as a top 20 pick.
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Post#332 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:14 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Take this in guys, college statistics for two very similar players. Player A is currently one of the elite talents we have in the NBA, and player B is someone who will hear their name called for this 2020 draft but isn't ranked as a high end lottery pick.

Player A______Player B

MPG: 35.8____MPG: 33.9
PPG: 20.1____PPG: 22.0
RPG: 5.6_____RPG: 5.5
AST: 4.2_____AST: 3.4
STL: 1.7_____STL: 1.6
TO: 3.4______TO: 3.2
FG%: .489____FG%: .453
3P%: .356____3P%: .351
USG: 32.6____USG: 31.6
BPM: 9.4_____BPM: 8.4
TS%: 60.7____TS%: 61.4

Player A played in 35 games and took 270 free throw attempts (76%)

Player B played in 31 games and took 282 free throw attempts (82%)


Would you draft player B knowing that player A is currently an MVP level talent in the NBA?


Impressive statistical profile but I don't think you can draft on stats alone, there's a ton of guards that dominate college but don't have the physical tools to do it in the NBA.

Just based on this is a high usage player, what happens if that usage isn't justified at the next level? Can he provide offensive and defensive value without it? Can he create advantages over bigger and better competition?
Fair points, but the main points I'm trying to make are how similar their profiles are. Statistically, physically, mentally...hell, even their strength of schedule was similar. So this isn't a situation where one guy is playing against lower level guys.

Player A is James Harden in his sophomore season at Arizona State and Player B is Mason Jones who is currently a sophomore at Arkansas.

Do I believe Mason will be the next Harden? Maybe, but that's obviously the top end of his potential. Personally, I believe that Mason will fall somewhere closer to a Tobias Harris level of production, which at our pick isn't bad at all. Or you might even be able to get Harden's 6th man type of statistical production which would be incredible as well.

Either way, this draft has a lot of guys I like. I'll be referencing a few of them in the future. But as of now I've only brought Tillman and Jones to the board.
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Post#333 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:21 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Take this in guys, college statistics for two very similar players. Player A is currently one of the elite talents we have in the NBA, and player B is someone who will hear their name called for this 2020 draft but isn't ranked as a high end lottery pick.

Player A______Player B

MPG: 35.8____MPG: 33.9
PPG: 20.1____PPG: 22.0
RPG: 5.6_____RPG: 5.5
AST: 4.2_____AST: 3.4
STL: 1.7_____STL: 1.6
TO: 3.4______TO: 3.2
FG%: .489____FG%: .453
3P%: .356____3P%: .351
USG: 32.6____USG: 31.6
BPM: 9.4_____BPM: 8.4
TS%: 60.7____TS%: 61.4

Player A played in 35 games and took 270 free throw attempts (76%)

Player B played in 31 games and took 282 free throw attempts (82%)


Would you draft player B knowing that player A is currently an MVP level talent in the NBA?


Impressive statistical profile but I don't think you can draft on stats alone, there's a ton of guards that dominate college but don't have the physical tools to do it in the NBA.

Just based on this is a high usage player, what happens if that usage isn't justified at the next level? Can he provide offensive and defensive value without it? Can he create advantages over bigger and better competition?
Fair points, but the main points I'm trying to make are how similar their profiles are. Statistically, physically, mentally...hell, even their strength of schedule was similar. So this isn't a situation where one guy is playing against lower level guys.

Player A is James Harden in his sophomore season at Arizona State and Player B is Mason Jones who is currently a sophomore at Arkansas.

Do I believe Mason will be the next Harden? Maybe, but that's obviously the top end of his potential. Personally, I believe that Mason will fall somewhere closer to a Tobias Harris level of production, which at our pick isn't bad at all. Or you might even be able to get Harden's 6th man type of statistical production which would be incredible as well.

Either way, this draft has a lot of guys I like. I'll be referencing a few of them in the future. But as of now I've only brought Tillman and Jones to the board.


I decided to look deeper into Mason Jones and came out pretty impressed. He's very polished as a scorer, already has a nice stepback, has NBA range w/ a nice high release and has good positionial size at 6'5.

Only seen highlights so can't really speak on nuances to his game, ie defense, off-ball movement or playmaking too much.

The athleticism is big concern though, even in his highlights he barely gets off the ground and doesn't have the same explosiveness that someone like Harden does.

Still, the production, polish, and size could make him a good target.

There's a couple of guards I'd be intrigued by the Raptors selecting, Tyrell Terry, Grant Riller, Kira Lewis and Tre Jones.

Will probably add Mason to the list
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Post#334 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:12 am

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Impressive statistical profile but I don't think you can draft on stats alone, there's a ton of guards that dominate college but don't have the physical tools to do it in the NBA.

Just based on this is a high usage player, what happens if that usage isn't justified at the next level? Can he provide offensive and defensive value without it? Can he create advantages over bigger and better competition?
Fair points, but the main points I'm trying to make are how similar their profiles are. Statistically, physically, mentally...hell, even their strength of schedule was similar. So this isn't a situation where one guy is playing against lower level guys.

Player A is James Harden in his sophomore season at Arizona State and Player B is Mason Jones who is currently a sophomore at Arkansas.

Do I believe Mason will be the next Harden? Maybe, but that's obviously the top end of his potential. Personally, I believe that Mason will fall somewhere closer to a Tobias Harris level of production, which at our pick isn't bad at all. Or you might even be able to get Harden's 6th man type of statistical production which would be incredible as well.

Either way, this draft has a lot of guys I like. I'll be referencing a few of them in the future. But as of now I've only brought Tillman and Jones to the board.


I decided to look deeper into Mason Jones and came out pretty impressed. He's very polished as a scorer, already has a nice stepback, has NBA range w/ a nice high release and has good positionial size at 6'5.

Only seen highlights so can't really speak on nuances to his game, ie defense, off-ball movement or playmaking too much.

The athleticism is big concern though, even in his highlights he barely gets off the ground and doesn't have the same explosiveness that someone like Harden does.

Still, the production, polish, and size could make him a good target.

There's a couple of guards I'd be intrigued by the Raptors selecting, Tyrell Terry, Grant Riller, Kira Lewis and Tre Jones.

Will probably add Mason to the list


Agreed, I really like all of those guys as well, especially Terry. He's tailor made for the modern NBA. He'll draw comparisons to Steph Curry and Trae Young but I don't think he's close to either of those guys.
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Post#335 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:26 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Fair points, but the main points I'm trying to make are how similar their profiles are. Statistically, physically, mentally...hell, even their strength of schedule was similar. So this isn't a situation where one guy is playing against lower level guys.

Player A is James Harden in his sophomore season at Arizona State and Player B is Mason Jones who is currently a sophomore at Arkansas.

Do I believe Mason will be the next Harden? Maybe, but that's obviously the top end of his potential. Personally, I believe that Mason will fall somewhere closer to a Tobias Harris level of production, which at our pick isn't bad at all. Or you might even be able to get Harden's 6th man type of statistical production which would be incredible as well.

Either way, this draft has a lot of guys I like. I'll be referencing a few of them in the future. But as of now I've only brought Tillman and Jones to the board.


I decided to look deeper into Mason Jones and came out pretty impressed. He's very polished as a scorer, already has a nice stepback, has NBA range w/ a nice high release and has good positionial size at 6'5.

Only seen highlights so can't really speak on nuances to his game, ie defense, off-ball movement or playmaking too much.

The athleticism is big concern though, even in his highlights he barely gets off the ground and doesn't have the same explosiveness that someone like Harden does.

Still, the production, polish, and size could make him a good target.

There's a couple of guards I'd be intrigued by the Raptors selecting, Tyrell Terry, Grant Riller, Kira Lewis and Tre Jones.

Will probably add Mason to the list


Agreed, I really like all of those guys as well, especially Terry. He's tailor made for the modern NBA. He'll draw comparisons to Steph Curry and Trae Young but I don't think he's close to either of those guys.


Terry is missing that high level burst most of those star gaurds have, but I still think he’s got a lottery worthy skillset regardless
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Post#337 » by Mark_83 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:07 pm

What do people think about Yves Pons as a small-ball centre in the second round? He's got some Draymond elements in his game, though is probably more of a Crowder type.

He has played SF, PF, and even C for his college team. He's a 21-year-old Junior, 6'6, uber-athletic with a 7'0 wingspan.

His stats are kind of middling, other than the 2.4 blocks, but he has an intriguing skillset.

32. YVES PONS, Tennessee
Details: 21 years old, 6-foot-6, 215 lbs
Key Stats: 10.8 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.4 bpg, 35% 3PT

Pons is the best athlete and the best defender in this entire 2020 NBA mock draft class. You often hear things like “he can guard all five positions” which tends to be an exaggeration. Not for Pons. He can, quite literally, guard any point guard, any center and anyone in between. He can play the four, and at times even the five, in small-ball lineups in the NBA to great effect. What makes him even more intriguing is that he shot 42 percent on unguarded catch-and-shoot threes. I think this is the most important number when it comes to his three-point shooting, because these are the face-up, step-in threes that he’ll be shooting at the next level.

The thing about Pons is that he played the three as a sophomore. As a junior, he was Tennessee’s four, which meant that instead of coming off of screens to get a shot, he was stepping into them as a trailing big or catching and shooting as a floor-spacer. This is the role he would play in the league.

Put it all together, and I’ll buy on a player that has an elite NBA skill with the potential to fill out his game to be effective in a role.




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Post#338 » by Rapsalot » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:17 pm

If the Duke C or Kansas C is on the board I would take them and sign Marc to a 1 year $24 Mil contract and ask him to mentor young guy for the year. Sign Serge to longer contract. Ask Chris B to work on PF Off skills and Def and sign him to a couple of mil raise. Let him know Backup PF mins will be there if he develops and brings energy every night. Give SJ money to RHJ and give him back up SF role.
Trade Pat M and our 2nd for a 3 rd pure PG with a little more size than KLow and FVV and 1/2 the contract costs of PM.

This way you have Marc and Klow coming off books if you want to go after Giannis in 2021 or other FA to help to another title run.

KLow FVV Vet min but some skill
NP TD MT MM
OGA, RHJ, O’Shea
PS, CB, RHJ Dewan H
SI/MG based on matchups, Draft pick DH
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Post#339 » by Indeed » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:37 pm

Rapsalot wrote:If the Duke C or Kansas C is on the board I would take them and sign Marc to a 1 year $24 Mil contract and ask him to mentor young guy for the year. Sign Serge to longer contract. Ask Chris B to work on PF Off skills and Def and sign him to a couple of mil raise. Let him know Backup PF mins will be there if he develops and brings energy every night. Give SJ money to RHJ and give him back up SF role.
Trade Pat M and our 2nd for a 3 rd pure PG with a little more size than KLow and FVV and 1/2 the contract costs of PM.

This way you have Marc and Klow coming off books if you want to go after Giannis in 2021 or other FA to help to another title run.

KLow FVV Vet min but some skill
NP TD MT MM
OGA, RHJ, O’Shea
PS, CB, RHJ Dewan H
SI/MG based on matchups, Draft pick DH


Duke C in Vernon Carey seems to be too small to backup Gasol due to his wingspan, but would not mind if he drops. I might prefer Kanas C in Udoka Azubuike. The reason Azukuike being so low is his shooting, otherwise, it seems his footwork and other skills could be a higher pick. It would be up to the coaches to determine if they can fix his shot (where Raptors are rather confidence in improving shootings).

Meanwhile, we might not pick a C from our first round pick, as it seems there maybe better talent for other position (eg. big PGs, ball handling forwards in Bey, Paul Eboua, etc.). Therefore, I think someone like Charles Bassey, Makur Marker, Zeke Nnaji, etc. from the 2nd round pick if they are available.
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Post#340 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:51 pm

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I decided to look deeper into Mason Jones and came out pretty impressed. He's very polished as a scorer, already has a nice stepback, has NBA range w/ a nice high release and has good positionial size at 6'5.

Only seen highlights so can't really speak on nuances to his game, ie defense, off-ball movement or playmaking too much.

The athleticism is big concern though, even in his highlights he barely gets off the ground and doesn't have the same explosiveness that someone like Harden does.

Still, the production, polish, and size could make him a good target.

There's a couple of guards I'd be intrigued by the Raptors selecting, Tyrell Terry, Grant Riller, Kira Lewis and Tre Jones.

Will probably add Mason to the list


Agreed, I really like all of those guys as well, especially Terry. He's tailor made for the modern NBA. He'll draw comparisons to Steph Curry and Trae Young but I don't think he's close to either of those guys.


Terry is missing that high level burst most of those star gaurds have, but I still think he’s got a lottery worthy skillset regardless


If he stays another season at Stanford he'll go top-10.
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