The too early Suggs vs. Barnes thread

[Clutch0z24]

Wow, that offensive rebound/tip dunk was something. And posters here said he isn't athletic.

This guy is comfortable playing NBA ball right now and would be starting in our backcourt with Fred if we drafted him. If we had picked Suggs there wouldn't be nearly as much second guessing about, should we have taken Barnes. Most of the board would be on the same page backing Suggs if he were our guy.

edit - just watched the whole thing again. Makes me want to cry, this kid is the real deal. Now, not a maybe in 3-4 years.

I clicked play with the intention of finding things that will prevent him from being a star. His handle is the closest I've got, but if he works on it...

I've got nothing.

He hasn’t shot well yet either, so there’s that. But yeah even that looks salvageable

To be fair none of the rookies are shooting good percentages in Summer league ....In Summerleague you can't look at PER Or Box Scores to judge rookies you have to look at the eye test and look at how well their Shots look / Smoothness if it will translate to the NBA Well and for me Suggs form looks as smooth as it will get for a rookie ....Infact it looks better than i would have expected considering many said this was one of his weaknesses

[M3tro]

Suggs was the perfect fit and would have filled the void left by Lowry.

I was mentally prepared we would select Barnes, but I really hope this doesn't come back to bite us.

[Alfred]

Is Barnes 6’7 or 6’9? I keep seeing different heights posted on Realgm. Either way I don’t see him being a lead ball handler unless he works on his outside shot. I can easily see defenses sagging off him and collapsing as he drives into the lane. He didn’t move that quickly this game but maybe he’s just tired.

6'8 without shoes, 6'9 with shoes. Most nba players are refered with shoes.

Barnes measured 6 foot 7 without shoes in the combine. 6 foot 8 with shoes.

I don’t really know what the official measurements say but Scottie is huge. He’s a big dude and he looks like one of those puppies with big paws and ears, where you say “Oh, this guy isn’t done growing yet”.

[VanWest82]

Scottie’s done growing at least in terms of his physical measurements. He’s already 20 years old. Giannis was 18 when he was drafted. That’s why he was able to continue to grow. All of Scottie’s future growth will come from his game.

[Mikey Streetz]

Barnes looks like a freak out there on the defensive end (that length ). Kind of reminds me of a more athletic Rodman defensively.

Offensively he needs work but defense wins championships.

I would draft him 10 times out of 10 over Suggs and think he could easily be the best player in this draft hands down.

[traps#10]

Barnes had that Colin Sexton look after that beautiful fadeaway when he was clinching his hands into fists.

[mrsocko]

First Caboclo now Barnes. Masai is in love with freak length. Hasn’t always worked out for him, look at poeltl versus Sabonis. Suggs is a t-Rex like Sabonis. I’d have went with the surer thing.

[Pointgod]

Wow, that offensive rebound/tip dunk was something. And posters here said he isn't athletic.

This guy is comfortable playing NBA ball right now and would be starting in our backcourt with Fred if we drafted him. If we had picked Suggs there wouldn't be nearly as much second guessing about, should we have taken Barnes. Most of the board would be on the same page backing Suggs if he were our guy.

edit - just watched the whole thing again. Makes me want to cry, this kid is the real deal. Now, not a maybe in 3-4 years.

I clicked play with the intention of finding things that will prevent him from being a star. His handle is the closest I've got, but if he works on it...

I've got nothing.

Yeah, he's the real deal. Just a genuine basketball player.

Which is why I think the pick shows their decision making process is biased/broken in some way. The fixation on height and wingspan is becoming parody.

Barnes is an Ingram type project except the other way around. That can be a valuable piece, so the only consolation is if they expand the roster with a player of similar scoring ability. But not quite sure how they do that outside of the draft.

I think the front office over thought this one. Many draft experts said it was a 4 player draft and when one of those players fell to us, we whiffed it. Sometimes front offices fall in love with buzz words like size, length, athleticism and positionless basketball. I guess they prefer a raw talent they can mold and afford to wait on for a couple of years. What doesn’t make sense to me is that Suggs has untapped potential as well.

[Young_Buc]

Every year there's a front office that makes a shrewd pick in the top 7-8 and we all laugh at it. It usually is the Cleveland Cavaliers (who we all pushed would draft Barnes if you remember to 3 weeks ago) just sucks when that team is yours.

[mintsa]

Suggs was the perfect fit and would have filled the void left by Lowry.

I was mentally prepared we would select Barnes, but I really hope this doesn't come back to bite us.

Filling the void Lowry left…….

See if I’m Suggs. I’m not sure I want to try to fill that void. GROAT, alltime fan favorite, nba champion……maybe he wanted nothing to do with that and rather go to Orlando and have a nice clean slate with no “shoes to fill”.

I’m not saying who we should’ve picked, Suggs or Barnes.

But I’m really starting to believe he wanted nothing to with Toronto (for multiple reasons) and wanted us to pass on him. There he made Masai’s choice simple to pick Scottie instead…..

[Raps in 4]

Barnes looks like a freak out there on the defensive end (that length ). Kind of reminds me of a more athletic Rodman defensively.

Offensively he needs work but defense wins championships.

I would draft him 10 times out of 10 over Suggs and think he could easily be the best player in this draft hands down.

Having an elite primary scorer wins championships. Only one team in the past 30 years won a championship without one (two if you consider the 2014 Spurs in that category too).

Our team defence was just as good the year after Kawhi left, but we floundered in the playoffs because we lacked a player who can create his own shot.

[ciueli]

But I’m really starting to believe he wanted nothing to with Toronto (for multiple reasons) and wanted us to pass on him. There he made Masai’s choice simple to pick Scottie instead…..

He probably wanted nothing to do with Toronto because the border issues which will just get worse thanks to COVID and the fact that Orlando is a no-tax warm weather state.

But it doesn't matter, just look at the Kings passing on Luka Doncic to understand why bad teams pass on better players to take players who "want to be here".

[Public_Enemy101]

Suggs was the perfect fit and would have filled the void left by Lowry.

I was mentally prepared we would select Barnes, but I really hope this doesn't come back to bite us.

Filling the void Lowry left…….

See if I’m Suggs. I’m not sure I want to try to fill that void. GROAT, alltime fan favorite, nba champion……maybe he wanted nothing to do with that and rather go to Orlando and have a nice clean slate with no “shoes to fill”.

I’m not saying who we should’ve picked, Suggs or Barnes.

But I’m really starting to believe he wanted nothing to with Toronto (for multiple reasons) and wanted us to pass on him. There he made Masai’s choice simple to pick Scottie instead…..

Right… I’m sure he REALLY wanted to play with Cole Anthony and a bottom feeding organization that has never won a championship.

With Toronto he was gonna play alongside championship players in FVV and Siakam plus a winning coach and GM in Nurse and Masai. He also had that Minnesota connection with GTJr, whom was was excited about Suggs coming to the NBA. He’d also be part of one of the best organisations in the NBA, inside connections to Drake and a whole country to back him up.

But your right, he wanted nothing to do with us, lol. He’s happy now. He’s got the keys to the Ford Pinto, that is the Orlando Magic.

[mademan]

Barnes is getting judged against the idea of Suggs. Barnes didnt play well yesterday, but even his biggest supporters knew he was a long term play. That said, Suggs did not play well either yesterday. Through 2 games, Suggs might have been slightly better than Barnes, but everyone's panicing because he has been slightly outplayed because theyre not judging him against Suggs but the idea of number 4 pick, superstar Suggs. Gonna be hard for him to win against that

[mademan]

Barnes looks like a freak out there on the defensive end (that length ). Kind of reminds me of a more athletic Rodman defensively.

Offensively he needs work but defense wins championships.

I would draft him 10 times out of 10 over Suggs and think he could easily be the best player in this draft hands down.

Having an elite primary scorer wins championships. Only one team in the past 30 years won a championship without one (two if you consider the 2014 Spurs in that category too).

Our team defence was just as good the year after Kawhi left, but we floundered in the playoffs because we lacked a player who can create his own shot.

Suggs doesnt project to be that tho

[Mikey Streetz]

Barnes looks like a freak out there on the defensive end (that length ). Kind of reminds me of a more athletic Rodman defensively.

Offensively he needs work but defense wins championships.

I would draft him 10 times out of 10 over Suggs and think he could easily be the best player in this draft hands down.

Having an elite primary scorer wins championships. Only one team in the past 30 years won a championship without one (two if you consider the 2014 Spurs in that category too).

Our team defence was just as good the year after Kawhi left, but we floundered in the playoffs because we lacked a player who can create his own shot.

So what you are telling me is that we are now one piece away from a Championship!

I dig it!

btw, I don't think Suggs is going to be anything close to the elusive elite primary scorer you are looking for. Masai can trade for that guy in a couple years when we are knocking on the door again.

[Steelo Green]

Barnes looks like a freak out there on the defensive end (that length ). Kind of reminds me of a more athletic Rodman defensively.

Offensively he needs work but defense wins championships.

I would draft him 10 times out of 10 over Suggs and think he could easily be the best player in this draft hands down.

Having an elite primary scorer wins championships. Only one team in the past 30 years won a championship without one (two if you consider the 2014 Spurs in that category too).

Our team defence was just as good the year after Kawhi left, but we floundered in the playoffs because we lacked a player who can create his own shot.

So what you are telling me is that we are now one piece away from a Championship!

I dig it!

btw, I don't think Suggs is going to be anything close to the elusive elite primary scorer you are looking for. Masai can trade for that guy in a couple years when we are knocking on the door again.

It’s just so easy to trade for a elite primary scorer.

I mean - Dame discussions were had on this board and people said it would cost too much and he doesn’t make us good enough.

Kawhi’s one in a million pennies on the dollar trade makes people believe we will just do it that easily.

Getting an elite scorer will basically never happen unless you sell the farm and unfortunately we aren’t a Brooklyn or Miami or LA who can just sign the other big ticket player.

We will never get a player like Kawhi again via trade.

[Pointgod]

Every year there's a front office that makes a shrewd pick in the top 7-8 and we all laugh at it. It usually is the Cleveland Cavaliers (who we all pushed would draft Barnes if you remember to 3 weeks ago) just sucks when that team is yours.

Yeah I’m not buying the Barnes to Cleveland talk predraft at all, especially since it seems like Mobley was always their guy. Sounds like rumours to bump up his draft stock. If we had passed on him he could go anywhere from 5-7.

[Raps in 4]

Barnes looks like a freak out there on the defensive end (that length ). Kind of reminds me of a more athletic Rodman defensively.

Offensively he needs work but defense wins championships.

I would draft him 10 times out of 10 over Suggs and think he could easily be the best player in this draft hands down.

Having an elite primary scorer wins championships. Only one team in the past 30 years won a championship without one (two if you consider the 2014 Spurs in that category too).

Our team defence was just as good the year after Kawhi left, but we floundered in the playoffs because we lacked a player who can create his own shot.

So what you are telling me is that we are now one piece away from a Championship!

I dig it!

btw, I don't think Suggs is going to be anything close to the elusive elite primary scorer you are looking for. Masai can trade for that guy in a couple years when we are knocking on the door again.

We were one piece away before we drafted Barnes too. Finding a primary scorer is the most difficult task an NBA executive faces due to how rare they are.

Will Suggs be that player? Who knows, but he certainly has more potential to reach that point than Barnes right now.

Expecting to just trade for that player when we need him is unreasonable. Disgruntled stars don't grow on trees.

[Pooh_Jeter]

It's obviously too early to make a definitive statement on Suggs VS Barnes, but it's safe to say that this idea that Suggs has a low ceiling was absolutely bogus. I have no idea how this narrative even got started. He should absolutely be in the same class as the top 3, that he fell out of that group and slipped to 5 is crazy.

Usually a prospect like Suggs slips because he is older than the rest of his class or went to a non power school (Lillard or Steph), but that doesn't apply to him at all. No, I'm not saying he will be Lillard or Steph, but I mean his floor is what, an above average starter?