[Fischer] Toronto A Team To Keep An Eye On For Myles Turner Trade

SaveTheHens · Post #321 » by **SaveTheHens** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:37 pm

Imo if OG's such a bigger value in this deal Indy can throw in a lot of value whether through picks or just complimentary pieces (pieces that Masai usually scoops up as a side-part of the deal and end up contributing to a major need). I'm down to trade OG, as good as he is, if we address the C need and maybe some other 'minor' needs with a young C that can help us battle the Embiids of the league I'll take it. Scottie is the main reason I could say this, otherwise OG wouldve been off limits.

AkelaLoneWolf · Post #322 » by **AkelaLoneWolf** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:38 pm

Psubs wrote:
pilkoids wrote:Players like Myles Turner at his age are rare in this league. I'm fine with giving up a FRP

They want 2.

they're just setting the price: for turner, they will end up getting a lottery protected frp + young prospect.
for levert, at best a young prospect + srp if that.

LoveMyRaps · Post #323 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:39 pm

Damn if they want 2 first round picks for Turner, they'll probably want 4 for Sabonis. loool

vulture · Post #324 » by **vulture** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:47 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Damn if they want 2 first round picks for Turner, they'll probably want 4 for Sabonis. loool

I think this is a fair price for Turner imo. Robert Covington went for 2 firsts 2 years ago and he's a worse player than turner.
I just hope the raptors don't trade OG for Turner.

LoveMyRaps · Post #325 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:52 pm

vulture wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Damn if they want 2 first round picks for Turner, they'll probably want 4 for Sabonis. loool

I think this is a fair price for Turner imo. Robert Covington went for 2 firsts 2 years ago and he's a worse player than turner.
I just hope the raptors don't trade OG for Turner.

They'd never do that. Even Pacers fans know OG is worth a lot more than Turner.
If we're trading OG to the Pacers, it'll be for Sabonis not Turner.

pingpongrac · Post #326 » by **pingpongrac** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:00 pm

Kurtz wrote:
mtcan wrote:Turner is a good shot blocker but is he a good defender? Shot blocking is only one aspect of defence. He is a terrible rebounder for a guy his height and position. Defensive rebounding is an aspect of defence.

He has never made an all-NBA defence. He has never been nominated for DPOY. He has never been an all star.

Expecting 2 first round picks for this guy is delusional.

Turner has a low rebound rate because Sabonis sucks up all the boards. When Sabonis is out and Turner gets to actually play C, he averages 10 boards/game.

Turner this season with Sabonis on the floor: 5.0 OREB% (2.2 per 100 possessions), 21.3 DREB% (9.5 per 100 possessions), 13.2 REB% (11.7 per 100 possessions)
Turner this season with Sabonis off the floor: 7.0 OREB% (3.1 per 100 possessions), 20.4 DREB% (8.9 per 100 possessions), 14.1 REB% (12.0 per 100 possessions)

The difference has been negligible this season, though it was slightly more noticeable last season (~1.5 REB more per 100 possessions with Sabonis off the floor). Turner has played with Sabonis in 5 seasons, but his numbers are almost identical across the board for his career. He has never averaged more than 7.3 REB in a season and his career high for REB% is 13.9% in 18/19. In all 7 seasons, he grabs 7.6-9.0 REB per36 and his career REB% is 12.9%.

pilkoids · Post #327 » by **pilkoids** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:19 pm

Anything short of GTJ + 1 FRP and we get laughed off the phone. They'll have plenty of people courting them for Turner.

pilkoids · Post #328 » by **pilkoids** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:21 pm

Haven't yall figured out yet that the asking price isn't the asking price? Unless you're a deranged loon like Morey...

hsb · Post #329 » by **hsb** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:23 pm

pilkoids wrote:Anything short of GTJ + 1 FRP and we get laughed off the phone. They'll have plenty of people courting them for Turner.

This will be one of the more interesting things we'll see.

He's been 'on' the market seemingly for multiple seasons. The Celtics didn't want him for a sign and trade - which seems crazy in hindsight. I have no idea what his value is all things considered.

Kurtz · Post #330 » by **Kurtz** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:54 pm

pingpongrac wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
mtcan wrote:Turner is a good shot blocker but is he a good defender? Shot blocking is only one aspect of defence. He is a terrible rebounder for a guy his height and position. Defensive rebounding is an aspect of defence.

He has never made an all-NBA defence. He has never been nominated for DPOY. He has never been an all star.

Expecting 2 first round picks for this guy is delusional.

Turner has a low rebound rate because Sabonis sucks up all the boards. When Sabonis is out and Turner gets to actually play C, he averages 10 boards/game.
Turner this season with Sabonis on the floor: 5.0 OREB% (2.2 per 100 possessions), 21.3 DREB% (9.5 per 100 possessions), 13.2 REB% (11.7 per 100 possessions)
Turner this season with Sabonis off the floor: 7.0 OREB% (3.1 per 100 possessions), 20.4 DREB% (8.9 per 100 possessions), 14.1 REB% (12.0 per 100 possessions)

The difference has been negligible this season, though it was slightly more noticeable last season (~1.5 REB more per 100 possessions with Sabonis off the floor). Turner has played with Sabonis in 5 seasons, but his numbers are almost identical across the board for his career. He has never averaged more than 7.3 REB in a season and his career high for REB% is 13.9% in 18/19. In all 7 seasons, he grabs 7.6-9.0 REB per36 and his career REB% is 12.9%.

A poster on reddit did the comparison over the two previous year. Per 36 it showed that:

2020-21

Turner with Sabonis: 12/7/3.8 blocks on 46% FG
Turner without Sabonis: 21/10/4.3 blocks on 51% FG

2019-2020:

Turner with Sabonis: 11/7/2.7 blocks on 43% FG
Turner without Sabonis: 20/9/2.5 blocks on 48% FG

https://www.reddit.com/r/pacers/comments/pynujj/myles_turner_stats_withwithout_sabonis_on_the/

WaltFrazier · Post #331 » by **WaltFrazier** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:04 pm

Could we possibly get him without moving any of our top 5? Fred, Pascal, Barnes, OG, Trent. Any two others and a FRP

tecumseh18 · Post #332 » by **tecumseh18** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:09 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:Could we possibly get him without moving any of our top 5? Fred, Pascal, Barnes, OG, Trent. Any two others and a FRP

We better, because we don't have enough quality depth to give up one of our top 5.

Given my belieF that the Raps have WAY more pressing needs than a "legit C" - i.e., a bench - I would value everyone of our top 5 ahead of Turner, head-to-head.

everdiso · Post #333 » by **everdiso** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:19 pm

pilkoids wrote:Anything short of GTJ + 1 FRP and we get laughed off the phone. They'll have plenty of people courting them for Turner.

can't get laughed off the phone when you laugh them off first.

will · Post #334 » by **will** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:47 pm

Safe to say that GTJ, Khem and 'filler' for Myles ain't getting it done with the news there for what Indy is allegedly asking for.

7 footers who block shats and shoot treys are at a premium. If a guy like Zach Collins and Myers Leonard are/were getting paid, you best damn well believe Myles Turner is going to get dealt for a PACKAGE package that will entice the Pacers.

Let's all stop with the "I would do this deal' type of posts. It is embarrassing. Unless you are Masai or Bobby posting here.

will · Post #335 » by **will** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:49 pm

mtcan wrote:Turner is a good shot blocker but is he a good defender? Shot blocking is only one aspect of defence. He is a terrible rebounder for a guy his height and position. Defensive rebounding is an aspect of defence.

He has never made an all-NBA defence. He has never been nominated for DPOY. He has never been an all star.

Expecting 2 first round picks for this guy is delusional.

Exactly. He blocks shots. The defensive aspect? I haven't seen significant evidence of Myles being a defensive force since he joined the NBA.

Now, he is a 7 footer who knocks down the trey ball. That helps.

tdotrep2 · Post #336 » by **tdotrep2** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:28 pm

having a legit 7 footer in itself would be a significant help to us, let alone one that could space the floor. watch some of his highlights and try to envision precious or khem doing some of the things he does and it shows a lot of what we are missing

tdotrep2 · Post #337 » by **tdotrep2** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:29 pm

will wrote:Safe to say that GTJ, Khem and 'filler' for Myles ain't getting it done with the news there for what Indy is allegedly asking for.

7 footers who block shats and shoot treys are at a premium. If a guy like Zach Collins and Myers Leonard are/were getting paid, you best damn well believe Myles Turner is going to get dealt for a PACKAGE package that will entice the Pacers.

Let's all stop with the "I would do this deal' type of posts. It is embarrassing. Unless you are Masai or Bobby posting here.

they want 2 firsts or 1 and a prospect, do you think gary is merely a prospect? dudes proven to already be really good at age 22. i wouldnt be surprised if they would accept gary for him straight up.

pingpongrac · Post #338 » by **pingpongrac** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:31 pm

will wrote:
mtcan wrote:Turner is a good shot blocker but is he a good defender? Shot blocking is only one aspect of defence. He is a terrible rebounder for a guy his height and position. Defensive rebounding is an aspect of defence.

He has never made an all-NBA defence. He has never been nominated for DPOY. He has never been an all star.

Expecting 2 first round picks for this guy is delusional.

Exactly. He blocks shots. The defensive aspect? I haven't seen significant evidence of Myles being a defensive force since he joined the NBA.

[bNow, he is a 7 footer who knocks down the trey ball. That helps.[/b]

Turner is 11th in the NBA in 3FGM as a C and he's ~20th among Cs in 3FG%. There aren't many comparisons because he is a major block threat, but that's the only thing that even remotely separates him from the other 10-15 Cs that stretch the floor at an equal or higher level.

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kj_ · Post #339 » by **kj_** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:39 pm

iBall101 wrote:
SFour wrote:you have to make a trade that doesn't involve FVV, Trent, OG, Barnes, Siakam.....otherwise you aren't making the team any better.

Bang on!

I think you could get away with trading GTJ as he is the most replaceable type of player on the team.

Obviously it would be way better to everyone, but then there is no deal.

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Johnny Bball · Post #340 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:41 pm

will wrote:Safe to say that GTJ, Khem and 'filler' for Myles ain't getting it done with the news there for what Indy is allegedly asking for.

7 footers who block shats and shoot treys are at a premium. If a guy like Zach Collins and Myers Leonard are/were getting paid, you best damn well believe Myles Turner is going to get dealt for a PACKAGE package that will entice the Pacers.

Let's all stop with the "I would do this deal' type of posts. It is embarrassing. Unless you are Masai or Bobby posting here.

Well this is entirely wrong. This is an overpay for Turner as it is, so any premium is already built in there.

What do you think is more valuable, a steal or a block, if that's your rationale?